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Quick quiz. Pretentious teenager or sociology professor?
When they’re not looking, set the parental controls on the TVs of your family members to block Fox News.
Quick quiz. Pretentious teenager or sociology professor?
Today’s word is ‘indoctrination’.
Today’s word is ‘indoctrination’.
“Educate yourself,” says the professor. By refusing even to listen to contrary points of view and slyly ensuring that others can’t. What’s telling, I think, is that this wasn’t some off-the-cuff comment, of a kind to which we’ve become accustomed, but a prepared document, typed up and printed, and then proudly handed out to students, as if none would object or regard it as juvenile. It was evidently something that the totally-grown-up state-funded educator thought proper and appropriate.
It’s quite a mindset, really. The assumption that this is the kind of thing one does.
And that one does and keeps one’s job.
But not for having such views in the first place.
I think there were a few more lines crossed after the advocacy one…
And the really worrying bit?:
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I reported the issue. I think the Typepad people may be preoccupied with the ‘http’ fiasco, still ongoing.
Trick question. These days I fully expect the answer is “both”.
I think there were a few more lines crossed after the advocacy one…
Well, quite. Before and after. What’s striking is the mindset, the obliviousness – and the adolescent arrogance – that the letter implies. But as we’ve seen, repeatedly, more times than I can count, the distinction between a Clown Quarter professional and a chest-puffing adolescent is often rather slim.
Not a coincidence, I think.
Looks like some people haven’t got the message that Fox News is turning centrist.
However, some students did not find the incident too alarming.
Well, they chose to study sociology so that doesn’t surprise me.
Well, they chose to study sociology so that doesn’t surprise me.
The field does seem to attract a very high concentration of dogmatic incompetents and outright loons.
Pretentious teenager or sociology professor?
Embrace the power of “and”. I can’t help but notice that Miss DeSoucey took a whopping 14 years from freshman to getting a rubber stamp PhD, IOW, spent her entire adult life in angry and useless studies – it only takes 15 from freshman to board eligible neurosurgeon.
Basically, she is this punk girl, several years older, and still as confused.
Basically, she is this punk girl, several years older, and still as confused.
It occurs to me that when parents shied from threatening to smack their misbehaving children, despite repeated and appalling behaviour, and defaulted instead to negotiation and appeasement, it may have had some unhappy effects. The number of such bitches now roaming the Earth being one of them.
Presumably, the overindulged bint above, like so many others we’ve seen, is choosing to act in this way – and to go on acting this way, with an expectation of impunity – because nothing in life has taught her, vividly, that boundaries exist, and that, if violated repeatedly, someone might reciprocate.
Well, the thing is that the academics are eternal adolescents: Not Growing Up is in the job description.
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because nothing in life has taught her, vividly, that boundaries exist, and that, if violated repeatedly, someone might reciprocate.
So long as she remains safely ensconced within her academic ivory tower or a modern bourgeois urban evironment, no one will.
One of the things that concerns me greatly is the massive amount of action entertainment that shows petite women beating up male opponents twice their size with ease, increasingly without the aid of any kind of narrative fudge like superpowers. This has, I think, contributed to the disturbing increase in women using violence casually against each other and their intimate partners.
While I don’t have any sympathy for anyone who uses casual violence to make a conversational point or as a substitute for proper emotional regulation, I’m worried that an entire generation of young women raised on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and roundhose-kicking cop chicks is eventually going to try this on with people insufficiently woke. At which point
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I recall Jordan Peterson and Camille Paglia chatting about the problem, for men, in dealing with demented and gratuitously aggressive women, and the hope that non-crazy women might somehow intervene. Of course, they were talking about civilised, bourgeois men, who generally have certain qualms and inhibitions, not Ms-13 savages or actual Muhammadan patriarchs. Who presumably favour more direct and emphatic approaches.
sociology professor Michaela DeSoucey informed them that “every time Trump says ‘fake news’ he means ‘free press,’
No, he means Fake News; either by commission or omission.
Fake News breathless over bombshells!!
Fake News breathless over bombshells!!
Heh. Captures the flavour, I think.
Related — just watched this whole interview (38 minutes) but what struck me most was the body language & facial expressions of the woman of the group. You know she hasn’t really heard a thing Peterson says when she finally gets around to talking AT him about the 8 minute mark but the set-up is about at 6 minutes.
You know she hasn’t really heard a thing Peterson says when she finally gets around to talking AT him
If I were being unusually charitable, I might say that maybe some small part of it is a second-language issue; but yes, not listening, not repaying the courtesy, and instead talking at him, as if nothing had been said, and said repeatedly.
Sometimes, I really do marvel at his patience.
You know she hasn’t really heard a thing Peterson says when she finally gets around to talking AT him
I wonder if part of it – the not listening and the looks of something approaching a peeved bewilderment – is because the more of a middle-class lefty you are, the more pretending you tend to do, and the more likely it is that you’ll spend time sitting around with people who pretend almost exactly the same things, or fairly minor variations. The rules of this pretending, of piety, are mutually understood and perhaps a little too reflexive and habitual.
As I’ve said before, I think part of Peterson’s appeal is that he serves as a reminder that one doesn’t have to pretend.
David: …the overindulged bint above … is choosing to act in this way – and to go on acting this way, with an expectation of impunity – because nothing in life has taught her, vividly, that boundaries exist…
Daniel: So long as she remains safely ensconced within her academic ivory tower or a modern bourgeois urban evironment…
David, I watched the brief video clip, and all I can say is she’s very young, and the goth semi-mask doesn’t make it any easier to guess how she really feels about what she’s doing, but I think I saw shades of expression, and heard notes in her speaking, that seemed to indicate an admission of self-doubt such as only a fundamentally good person can take to heart. If I venture a guess, she became somewhat uncomfortable with her own certainty; and knew it wasn’t her chosen adversaries making her uncomfortable. And if she still kept hectoring them (for the short duration of that video), I’ll put it down to pride, her not wanting to show self-doubt after rushing into battle. I can almost admire her for that, foolish as it is: there’s a kinship in some kinds of folly.
In the end, though, wisdom is better.
Anyway, my point is she’s too young for us to despair of — she has lessons to learn (well who doesn’t?), and time enough to learn them (devoutly hoped). In any case, it will always be wrong to look forward to the possibility of her getting a rough comeuppance, as if that were a good thing. I hope that wasn’t what you and Daniel meant; I don’t think you did, but it needs to be more clearly stated.
Everything she needs to learn is already in her — even the spur to get going, that’s in her too. No whupping needed. Agenbite of inwit is still a thing.
…the goth semi-mask…
Watch again, there is noting “goth” about her, nor any discernible self-doubt. Lots of ignorance and conceit, though.
No whupping needed.
True, a beating like a Chinese gong would be more appropriate, but failing that, perhaps a trip to the slammer might help with an attitude adjustment.
Okay, I watched it again, now please nobody ask me for any more repeats. Damn but that’s some embarrassing right there.
I still see goth origins to that makeup, though it may travel under some other name, or none. I still see self-doubt, or rather what I thought I had described above as the stirrings of self-doubt, plus the felt need to keep it from showing.
The choco-throwing was apparently unpremeditated. A bad impulse. There are supposed to be consequences; sometimes they fail to arrive; this time, they’re here. But “the slammer”?! C’mon.
If I’m wrong and she feels no stirring of doubt, she should watch this video. Repeatedly.
Now, I’m not going to say jokes about beatings are inappropriate, but — forgive me, Farnsworth — they should be funnier.
But “the slammer”?! C’mon.
Why ? She was arrested for battery, she deserves a trip to central booking and a stay in a cage till mummsy and daddy throw her bail, as they undoubtedly will.
Who was joking about beatings ? The whole trouble with these asshats is there are rarely real consequences, and a hickory shampoo or two judiciously applied, pour encourager les autres, as it were, will avoid setting the conditions for another Kent State in the future when her ilk run amuck, as is their wont.
But “the slammer”?! C’mon.
She’s not going to f*ck you.
C’mon because a college student throwing chocolate milk on another college student in the course of a slanging match on the campus greensward is only “battery” in the most tightassed sense of the word. It’s rude, it’s crude, it’s college. It shouldn’t be, but it is. Her opponent was quite civil to her, before and after the incident. He didn’t deserve the treatment he got from her — but I bet he’s gotten over it (the more so because his politics are conservative, and the conservative temperament that goes with that inclines to not blowing things out of proportion). You should get over it too. We all should. She should be ashamed of her behavior, and then she should get over it. Thirty years from now, when she’s nominated for the Supreme Court, the matter won’t be worth mentioning.
Who was joking about beatings ? The whole trouble with these asshats is…
If you weren’t joking when you said “beat her like a Chinese gong,” you’re the asshat.
If I venture a guess, she became somewhat uncomfortable with her own certainty… I’ll put it down to pride, her not wanting to show self-doubt after rushing into battle. I can almost admire her for that, foolish as it is: there’s a kinship in some kinds of folly.
You may well be right about the insecurity. I’ve known people who were aggressively dogmatic while betraying an inkling of their own difficulties with facts. I don’t see dogmatic narcissism, or what Peterson would call “ideological possession,” as being incompatible with an awareness that one is quite possibly full of shit. The two often coexist. They can dance. Generally, at some cost to others.
However, if someone presumes to bark opinions that they haven’t actually earned, but are regurgitating wholesale anyway, and to be angry and abusive for reasons they haven’t earned, and then, when politely challenged, they choose to become even more aggressive and start screeching abuse and throwing drinks on people, twice… well, this doesn’t strike me as a basis for admiration.
It’s also worth bearing in mind that the incident above isn’t some isolated aberration, but is part of a trend, almost a competition, whereby ideological bona fides and in-group status are won via aggressive, intimidating and loutish behaviour. As the campus environment and its default politics exacerbate such narcissistic theatre, even rewarding and congratulating it, prompt self-correction seems unlikely. And in the meantime, escalation is underway.
Again, conscientious parenting – imprinting the notion of reciprocation and boundaries, and what it can cost to violate them – might save a lot of bother later on.
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You should get over it too. We all should. She should be ashamed of her behavior, and then she should get over it.
Yeah, let’s all forget her and all her compatriots all over the country – scratch that, the formerly civilized world – acting like brats whenever they are confronted with an idea they don’t like. A little milk here, sucker punching someone over a hat over there, a bike lock upside the head there, a Molotov cocktail there, just clean college kid fun. Oh how we laughed and laughed later as we roasted marshmallows over the burning limo.
True, the proper response would be for someone to have given her the backhand her parents never did, but you know damn well you would have been screaming “you can’t hit a gurl” (even as she is punching you), and she would have been screaming for the rozzers, so yeah, a battery charge and a trip to the hoosegow is about the only alternative. Plus think of the upside, you can buy her book, “A Letter From The Tallahassee Jail”.
If you actually think this dime store Che wannabe is ever going to be ashamed of her behavior and not lionized by her running buddies as a brave wymxn standing up to the “nazis”, you really do live in Wolkenkuckucksheim, and what Daniel Ream said.
I can almost admire her for that, foolish as it is
Thing is, there is a pattern here. This isn’t about one obnoxious individual with impulse-control issues, operating in a vacuum, and who somehow happens to behave exactly like all the others, on dozens of campuses, with eerily similar assumptions and conceits.
Such vanities and behaviour are actively encouraged, and statusful, and therefore common, in her chosen environment. As we’ve seen countless times, in dozens of posts, ranging from gratuitously screaming at random strangers to breaking windows, running into traffic and actual rioting, these are the gestures that are expected of the woke. Recreational outrage is where it’s at. That’s how woke politics seduces the vain and credulous. It flatters them, relentlessly, and gives license to all manner of nasty little urges.
As I said in one the threads linked above, suppose for a moment that I were a malicious little shit and wanted to spend lots of time harassing people, vandalising their property, shoving them, scaring them, and mouthing racial abuse. In the real world, I’d run a definite risk of censure, social disapproval and possibly a good kicking. But if I were at a statusful university and invoked “social justice,” claiming that my behaviour was a reaction to some nebulous oppression and phantom “Nazis,” there’s a very good chance I’d be accommodated, even applauded. And for a certain kind of person, you can see the appeal.
But I’m not sure that’s something to be encouraged among our would-be intellectuals.
Let’s compromise. Can we all agree that her professors should be beaten like a Chinese gong?
Ooh… or better yet her administrators? If all elase fails I expect their football team to get beat like a Chinese gong come November 24.
Let’s compromise. Can we all agree that her professors should be beaten like a Chinese gong?
Heh. I believe sack beatings are the preferred form. One must observe the proprieties.
Such vanities and behaviour are actively encouraged, and statusful… these are the gestures that are expected of the woke. Recreational outrage is where it’s at. That’s how woke politics seduces the vain and credulous. It flatters them, relentlessly, and gives license to all manner of nasty little urges.
That.
But “the slammer”?! C’mon.
Makes sense from a broken windows point of view, else the next woke thug would have to do her one better. As David points out, they’re competitive about such things.
[Most like-minded groups, absent feedback, will drift to their more extreme position for just such reasons. This is doubly so where, as in this case, status anxiety is so heavily involved. Imho.]
Heads up, could be a Moronolanche.
True, true.
Heads up, could be a Moronolanche.
Watch your valuables. As of now, the toilets are out of bounds.
True, true.
It’s one of the things about this place that still pleases me. The comment threads actually work – much better than expected when I started doing this, eleven years ago – to the extent that the threads are often much more interesting than the posts.
[Most like-minded groups, absent feedback, will drift to their more extreme position for just such reasons. This is doubly so where, as in this case, status anxiety is so heavily involved. Imho.]
That’s precisely it. They must have scalps for honor at the camp fire. That’s why they go on the warpath for the most trivial of reasons.
They must have scalps for honor at the camp fire. That’s why they go on the warpath for the most trivial of reasons.

It helps to bear in mind that the attitude we’re talking about can be summed up by this:
Fatuous, gratuitous and irretrievably narcissistic.
They must have scalps for honor at the camp fire. That’s why they go on the warpath for the most trivial of reasons.
If someone spends many of their formative years learning to value whininess and outrage – however contrived, self-indulgent or absurd – as denoting status, as validating their persona, then that’s very hard to undo (assuming any will to undo it). Especially if the outrage is competitive and peer-driven. If your supposed seriousness and radicalism hinge on being hysterically, even violently aggravated by the merest slight or demurral or ambiguity, anything but total, ongoing deference, that’s a hell of a mental habit to spend years cultivating. And it’s unlikely to be undone without some significant external cost.
Expulsion and jail time come to mind.
Expulsion and jail time come to mind.
Beatings too, don’t forget the beatings, or at least a sound thrashing, drubbing, or what for.
or at least a sound thrashing, drubbing, or what for.
In short, creating monsters is the easy part.
Beatings too, don’t forget the beatings, or at least a sound thrashing, drubbing, or what for.
It occurs to me that we see so many of these woke, SJW females engaging in these violent outbursts directed at conservative males, in which the males refuse to respond in kind. Perhaps, despite all the carping about “toxic masculinity,” “internalized misogyny,” not to mention “girrrrrl power,” “magic vagina” and “female empowerment,” they realize that conservative men are unlikely to give them the thrashing their behavior warrants, having rather internalized the mantra, “boys don’t hit girls.” (Contrast, of course, with the displays–roundhouse kicks and so forth–leftist men routinely direct at conservative women.)
So much for equality.
It appears our Groucho eyebrowed commie lass did indeed spend the night in the Graybar Hotel.
She is also a volunteer for the nutcase running for governor, and a pro-“Palestinian” Jew. How that latter adds up is not entirely clear given they have killed a lot more of “her people” than the anti-Trump shooter in Philadelphia she was ululation about has.
Me – If I venture a guess, she became somewhat uncomfortable with her own certainty; and knew it wasn’t her chosen adversaries making her uncomfortable. And if she still kept hectoring them (for the short duration of that video), I’ll put it down to pride, her not wanting to show self-doubt after rushing into battle. I can almost admire her for that, foolish as it is: there’s a kinship in some kinds of folly.
David – You may well be right about the insecurity. I’ve known people who were aggressively dogmatic while betraying an inkling of their own difficulties with facts. I don’t see dogmatic narcissism … as being incompatible with an awareness that one is quite possibly full of shit.
Yes, that’s my point, David: plus the fact of her extreme youth; which taken together encourage me to believe there’s ample time for her internal dynamic to resolve beneficially for her and the world around her.
David – However, if someone presumes to bark opinions that they haven’t actually earned, but are regurgitating wholesale anyway, and to be angry and abusive for reasons they haven’t earned, and then, when politely challenged, they choose to become even more aggressive and start screeching abuse and throwing drinks on people, twice… well, this doesn’t strike me as a basis for admiration.
True. What I can (almost) admire is her valor, not the silly cause she spent it on, and definitely not the yowling and splashery of her impulsive “assault.” In fact I’m delighted she “chose” such ineffective tactics: perhaps fancifully, I wonder if she subconsciously prompted heself to futility of means, because deep down she saw the wrongness of her ends.
David – It’s also worth bearing in mind that the incident above isn’t some isolated aberration, but is part of a trend, almost a competition, whereby ideological bona fides and in-group status are won via aggressive, intimidating and loutish behaviour. As the campus environment and its default politics exacerbate such narcissistic theatre, even rewarding and congratulating it, prompt self-correction seems unlikely. And in the meantime, escalation is underway.
I perfectly agree with you that it’s part of a trend — but it wouldn’t be justice to punish this girl for a widespread social phenomenon; enough that she answer for her own lesser misdeed. “Prompt self-correction seems unlikely,” as you say, but we didn’t arrive at these parlous times all at once: any improvement we can manage will probably come just as gradually. Perseverance beats speed.
David – Again, conscientious parenting – imprinting the notion of reciprocation and boundaries, and what it can cost to violate them – might [have] save[d] a lot of bother later on
F.T.F.Y. What might have been….
What I can (almost) admire is her valor…
There is nothing valorous about having a hissy fit and attacking people you know won’t fight back. You are, I am afraid, not a very serious person, and/or a hopeless Pollyanna.
While I don’t totally agree, I am sympathetic to Bacesaras’ point. Considering what makes young people who they are, I find it very difficult to heap the majority of the blame on such people themselves. As I said above only half-jokingly, it’s their parents, teachers, school administrators, and also the cesspool of our culture of the last 40-50 years, for which we are all to some degree resposible, that has created this mess. While I certainly do not wish to absolve her and her ilk of all responsibilities there is a lot of blame here.
Plus she’s a ‘Nole. Not a troupe to be taken too seriously. I keeeed, I keeeed.
Baceseras: “…encourage me to believe there’s ample time for her internal dynamic to resolve beneficially for her and the world around her.”
There’s time, certainly. If only time was all it took.