I Know, Let’s All Pretend That Behaviour Doesn’t Matter

Lifted from the comments, a difference of opinion:

As I posted in reply,

Flattening values, such that the criminal and their victims are somehow equal in moral worth, is a staple of progressive schtick. But it seems to me that the decision to try to steal someone’s dog is precisely how you know that that person’s wellbeing is of very low importance.

A slightly different perspective:

The better way to understand this is that the thief himself values your stuff more than his life. He’s the one who made that decision.

If an example of the aforementioned schtick is needed, this comes to mind:

To recap. According to Mr Ford, our “proud SJW,” the lone woman being attacked at a bus stop on her way to work shouldn’t have defended herself – because, we’re told, “If she had let him rob her, even at gunpoint, both likely would have survived.” And apparently, the well-being of the mugger – who was mugging while on probation – trumps any desire for self-defence, even if the victim fears for her life.

At which point, I think one has to ask an obvious question. In the case of the mugger, survived to do what? Continue mugging women, presumably. Which, in turn, raises the question of exactly how many assaults and armed muggings, or worse, a mugger’s survival is worth.

Answers on a postcard, please.

In the archives, you’ll find many variations on this theme. As when we were told – by Minneapolis City Council President Lisa Bender – that a dislike of having your home invaded by feral, malevolent predators, and having the lives of your family put in mortal danger, “comes from a place of privilege.

Or, this rather nightmarish example of antisocial liveliness:

Following which, I added:

It’s perhaps worth noting that egalitarian assumptions don’t exactly help on this front – say, the belief that such creatures are just like us, only more oppressed, and that their wellbeing is somehow a matter of great importance. A conceit that is not only wrong, and insulting, but which is often disabling when it really matters.

If, for instance, someone with a big, shiny knife is breaking into your home in the middle of the night, you should not, ideally, be distracted by any great concern for whether or not your attempt at self-defence results in them getting injured or ceasing to be. Not least because their ceasing-to-be would be a very good thing. A gift to the world.

Among our betters, however, all manner of contortions can be performed:

Readers may wish to ponder the implicit conceit that the burglars – the ones brandishing carving knives – are the real victims and should therefore be spared any meaningful consequence of their own chosen actions, their own sociopathy. Because, apparently, one should sympathise with the people breaking into one’s home and driving off with one’s stuff. In one’s own car. 

Though perhaps these are skills only available to more elevated beings, including, obviously, Guardian columnists.

Update, via the comments:

Regarding Mr Zack Ford, mentioned above, Jacob adds,

Still can’t believe that clown is real.

Mr Ford’s moral calculus is a little bizarre. As is the way in which his displays of progressive hand-wringing were hastily deleted – once it became apparent that his practised moral contrivance had reached a wider, less pretentious audience. Just as it was hard to miss the contrast between Mr Ford’s gushing pieties, aired from afar, and the views of local residents and witnesses, who, needless to say, were somewhat less accommodating.

And as noted in the original thread, I’m tempted to wonder if Mr Ford’s mugger-friendly philosophy extends to other violent crimes against women.

At which point, EmC adds,

And they think they’re the good guys.

Well, in the case of Mr Ford, our self-styled champion of “social justice,” it’s not clear what the threshold of permissible resistance would be – assuming he thinks there is one.

I mean, if the wellbeing of habitual predators is apparently of such importance – at least equal to that of their numerous victims – then what kind of offence would be sufficiently egregious to justify resistance, thereby risking harm to them? Can our predator snatch your dog, your bag, your wedding ring? Or can he, being so important, press further – say, by violating your home in the night, as you and your children sleep? What particular nightmare would be a step too far? Alas, like so many of his peers, Mr Ford doesn’t say.

Some of those peers, like Mr Clive Stafford Smith, mentioned here, insist that the buzz of burglars should not be harshed with prison, especially if the burglar is “a young black person.” Indeed, he regards objections to being burgled as trivial, plebeian, and unsophisticated, while disdaining the victims’ distress and their expectations of justice as, and I quote, “idiotic attitudes.” So I’m guessing any physical opposition would, in his mind, be out of the question. Presumably, we should help the burglars carry away our possessions, lest they fatigue themselves.

Personally, I think such things are probably best nipped in the bud. Saves a lot of degradation and misery for the law-abiding.

Update 2:

Regarding Mr Clive Stafford Smith and his self-satisfied disdain for victims of burglary, ccscientist adds,

When someone is breaking into your house, you cannot know their intentions. Such criminals are often sociopaths, drunk, on meth etc. They cannot be guaranteed to merely want some of your stuff. 

It seems to me that any attempt at burglary should be treated as a mortal danger. If someone is willing to violate your home – and violate a fundamental moral boundary – what other moral boundaries will they cross? And given, say, two or three seconds to think about it, how can you possibly know which ones they won’t cross?

To assume that a burglar armed with a crowbar is anything other than an existential threat seems foolish in the extreme.

It’s also worth noting that – contra Mr Stafford Smith – the stuff being stolen is not just stuff. It’s the hours, weeks, or months of your life that were spent working in order to pay for the stolen objects, and of course the time and effort that may now be needed to replace them – assuming that whatever was taken can be replaced.

And if someone you care about – say, an elderly relative or neighbour – has ever been a victim of burglary, they’ll probably tell you that the emotional and psychological effects, the sense of vulnerability and degradation, are far from trivial. In fact, you probably won’t need to be told this, because it will be obvious from how they subsequently behave, and how distressing that is to see.

At which point, the fashionable affectations of Mr Clive Stafford Smith – for whom burglary is a crime “that has no impact on you at all,” that nobody should care about, and which should effectively go unpunished – may seem even more perverse. Something close to grotesque.

Behold our betters. See how they glitter.

Goodness, I see three buttons. I wonder what they do.




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