It Ain’t For Their Benefit
A short thread of possible interest, on a subject we’ve touched on before.
If an illustration of crime would help, this one is quite vivid:
What would you do in this case?
— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) September 4, 2023
The story here. Note the line,
Update, via the comments:
Regarding the video above, commenter anon a mouse suggests,
Not, I think, unreasonable. Assuming one were interrupted while making a nice pot of tea. Though I’d imagine it’s easier to think of such things when you’re not taken aback by the unreal nightmarishness of it all.
Pst314 adds,
Again, I’d guess that many of those who’ve witnessed or experienced serious, aggressive criminality may have been wrong-footed and inhibited by their own disbelief – their own struggle to process the alien behaviour that they’re seeing. Sociopathic activity and feral predation can – to the civilised – seem bewildering and surreal.
If another horror-show example is needed, here you go. Note the merriment. The sense of fun.
It’s perhaps worth noting that egalitarian assumptions don’t exactly help on this front – say, the belief that such creatures are just like us, only more oppressed, and that their wellbeing is somehow a matter of great importance. A conceit that is not only wrong, and insulting, but which is often disabling when it really matters.
If, for instance, someone with a big, shiny knife is breaking into your home in the middle of the night, you should not, ideally, be distracted by any great concern for whether or not your attempt at self-defence results in them getting injured or ceasing to be. Not least because their ceasing-to-be would be a very good thing. A gift to the world.
And yet, among our betters, we see all kinds of mental contortions and obvious dishonesties:
It’s pretentious, neurotic, and morally revolting.
See also this chap, who, being sophisticated, can’t bring himself to use the term Molotov cocktail. You see, it was only a “beer bottle stuffed with toilet paper and gasoline” that was thrown, “non-violently,” into someone’s car. No biggie.
And we mustn’t forget Mr Zack Ford, a “proud SJW,” who believes that women should allow themselves to be mugged, or worse, lest their muggers come to harm.
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Er, boiling hot water?
Well, yes. Though I would imagine it’s easier to think of such things when you’re not taken aback by the unreal nightmarishness of it all.
Which reminds me that some self defense instructors emphasize training oneself to develop habits of thought for dealing with such situations.
First choice: gunshots to the face.
Second choice: long stabby knife while partner pokes the intruder with broom handle until he falls.
Third choice: large hammer or crowbar.
Note the line,
I can’t fathom why this happened.
Unfortunately, they are in an uncivilized country where they are not allowed to defend themselves because I am pretty sure techniques for defending against idiots attacking on ladders used to be a European staple.
Can we deport the leftists who allow him to stay? Can we? Can we?
Borrow from his own culture: Take him up on the roof and throw him off.
Should have just pushed him off the ladder.
You underestimate their value as mulch.
That, plus a lifetime of ingrained “do something”, as “doing nothing” is dangerous…
Probably not ready to hand.
How about a bottle of bleach? or Drano? Right in the eyes.
Pst,
My kids went through self-defense courses. Their main thrust was twofold: to disinhibit victims from immediate response, and to train on a very few, maximum effort counterattacks. Developing good habits…
Well, I’d imagine that pretty much anyone who’s witnessed or experienced serious, aggressive criminality may have been wrong-footed and inhibited by their own disbelief – their own struggle to process the alien behaviour that they’re seeing. Egalitarian assumptions don’t exactly help on this front – the idea that such creatures are just like us and that their wellbeing is of great importance.
A conceit that’s not only wrong, and insulting, but which is often disabling when it really matters.
Related: from the Darwin Awards Twitter, but which genetic line emerges as the winner from these kinds of engagements?
Why indict genetic lines when cultures are so clearly at fault?
One of the most chilling things I’ve ever seen because in a way it seems so normal and believable.
I’m struggling to find the right words to describe the feeling of being exposed to something so alien, so bloody casually malevolent.
Do you mean the Turkish thug? Or the Progressives who prevent his deportation?
I am not surprised by violent psychopathic evil thanks to a childhood in an “urban” environment, but what terrifies me the most are the liberals who protect the enemies of civilization.
From 5 Steps for Violence Prevention from the Swedish Gender Equality Agency:
The thug of course.
Mind you, as you raise a point which I hadn’t considered when posting, it’s also near impossible for me to comprehend the fact that there are so many progressives who could see that and still find reason to support and protect the perpetrator.
I know David regularly entertains us with the self-righteous inanity of Guardian contributors and their US equivalents but this video, the almost banal slowly developing threat and inevitable violence, and the knowledge that what so horrifies me is unquestionably acceptable to them…….once again words fail me.
Suuuure. Nuts, they are.
Did you grow up in a protected, peaceful environment? So that such crime is, naturally, hard to comprehend? I used to have unalloyed regret at the nasty things I experienced in my teens and twenties, but that regret is now tempered by the realization that it taught me important lessons.
I wonder if I would get arrested if I were to tell those Swedes that they should stop talking about dangerous masculinity and start talking about dangerous Islam, dangerous Turkishness, etc.
From 5 Steps for Violence Prevention from the Swedish Gender Equality Agency:
All they had do do was the dance.
“Did you grow up in a protected, peaceful environment”
Yes but a few years as a young adult in a Northern town soon put paid to that. That was 50 years ago though and nowadays I’m starting to feel pretty damned vulnerable.
In England, until we became enriched over the last couple of decades, to use your term yes such crime was pretty hard to comprehend as people in decent areas still expected to be able to live their lives fairly normally.
“Did you grow up in a protected, peaceful environment”
Lower East side. A part of New York one shouldn’t try to invade…
I prefer the Rittenhouse Shuffle, frankly. 😉
Me too.
Yikes. Makes my locale seem like Mayberry.
All she wants to do is dance…
A few purely fun posts on the previous thread.
Yes, the Swedes want to “counteract” masculinity. How they propose to do this for thugs is rather unclear. Sit down and have a chat with them?
Masculinity comes in mighty handy when confronted with a rearing horse, an attacking dog, or a homeless crazy (just ask the women who immediately stepped behind me in those instances).
Calls to mind Dave Grossman’s famous essay “On Sheep, Sheepdogs, and Wolves:
Another way to deal with intruders (from 2 years ago): Young scholar mauled to death by two pit bulls while breaking into Georgia home
That.
Well, if, for instance, someone with a big, shiny knife is breaking into your home in the middle of the night, you should not be distracted by any crippling concern for whether or not your attempt at self-defence results in them getting injured or ceasing to be. Not least because their ceasing-to-be would be a very good thing. A gift to the world.
And yet, among our betters, we see all kinds of mental contortions and obvious dishonesties:
It’s pretentious, neurotic and revolting.
See also this chap, who, being sophisticated, can’t bring himself to use the term Molotov cocktail. You see, it was only a “beer bottle stuffed with toilet paper and gasoline” that was thrown, “non-violently,” into someone’s car.
In other news…
He was trying to date “scene-adjacent poet influencer class enemies.” And obviously, that won’t do at all.
[ Post updated. ]
I assume Mr Tracey wouldn’t be over-concerned should someone toss a beer bottle stuffed with toilet paper and gasoline into his friends cell* sometime during the next fifteen months. As long as it was done non-violently.
* or how about into his own parked car. Wouldn’t that just be a hoot?
Well, that’s the thing, isn’t it? If you juxtapose progressive prattle about criminal thuggery with actual footage of it, or experience of it, it often starts to sound absurd, farcical and grotesque.
Whether the subject is shoplifting and mob robbery, or habitual thievery, or burglary, or rioting, or exuberant looting, it does seem to require an awful lot of contortion. Along with a disdain for reciprocation, and some quite shameless dishonesty.
Related to the siege ladder episode, not just letting him in was racism as explained here*.
Meanwhile in Michigan, you wouldn’t have to let these wypipo in.
*(Yes, a parody, but you know someone is thinking it)
There are times when it does seem extraordinarily difficult not to be suspicious of the real motives that lie behind calls to action from some quarters.
In the UK, and no doubt elsewhere, there are very clear patterns which emerge from the kind of men that murder women: schizophrenic sons living at home with their mother is one and where the mother is the victim; living with a long-term alcoholic and/or addict (unsurprisingly) is another.
Less common are members of the military or police, especially over a trigger (in particular, the discovery that the wife or partner has had an abortion without his knowing she had even been pregnant).
And, yes, in households of first-generation migrants from certain parts of the world where violence against a woman is still a commonplace (Mohammad Amana, the twisted parody of Romeo mounting Juliet’s balcony, is an Algerian national).
Yet there is a whole industry out there, not infrequently funded by government, that is dedicated to not only not noticing these fairly specific patterns in the kinds of men who are prone to abuse and murder women and children, but claiming instead that all men, all boys, are equally guilty and therefore must be re-educated.
Not the most obvious solution and certainly not the one most likely to bring immediate results (if any).
(In fact, I wonder whether the fact that such a strategy would require decades to produce even the most minimal of impact, more likely none at all, yet all the while receiving government funding, might actually be the real motive.)
It did take me many years to fully recognize and understand that–years to overcome indoctrination from early childhood and to eventually realize that so many liberal so-called friends take the side of our enemies and support the criminalization of dissent.
See also the Guardian’s Zoe Williams, mentioned here, and her convolutions regarding antisocial neighbours – the ones who exult in degrading the lives of those nearby, and who are somehow, in Ms Williams’ reckoning, the ones deserving of excuses, indulgence, and pretentious sympathy.
From a safe distance, of course.
“scene-adjacent poet influencer class enemies.”
This person is a writer? Clearly smoking too much weed. I believe many many people have disorganized thought processes. If they don’t put it down on paper, you may only suspect it, but writing it out proves it. Giving them a deranged philosophy to latch onto that is already incoherent does not do them any favors. Or us.
I believe his preferred term is text artist. And yes, he does live in Brooklyn.
David, please delete the previous comment. Incomplete. Did not intend to post.
Done.
Also in that post:
The moment that she put a machete to the reporter’s neck is the moment that she deserved to be shot dead without warning…and the world would have been better off.
Thank you. I think what happened is that I had pasted some preliminary text into the comment box, grabbed more text, and then clicked the “click bubble to comment” icon which caused my first pasted text to get posted. An odd quirk of the WordPress software, but I usually don’t bother anymore to ask IT vendors why quirks exist. 😉
Once again, it’s safer to compose comments in Notepad.
There are some pursuits that deserve being taken over by AI.
The thread linked in the post is still rumbling on.
A fine seems . . . insufficient.
Shot without warning…
Some years ago my wife’s extended family rented a huge house on 15 acres in the foothills south of Port Angeles, in Washington State, east of the lovely Olympic National park.
On a post at the farm-gate entry was a notice.( From memory, though I’m sure I have a pic somewhere):
“No Hunting without permission from owner. Gunfire in this area will be reported. Gunfire directed toward the house may be returned without warning.”
I was amused. Most of the family were startled but shrugged it off as just one of those country things.
No gunfire was heard over the week we were there , though it may not have been hunting season, and in any case the area was, at best, suited only for shooting, not hunting.
Jesus, they’re like hyenas.
True. Though the article…hmmm…a selfie may have been done but it looks like he posed for another person’s photo. Also, I wouldn’t call that ‘vandalism’, but either way it was stupid. More than likely someone with a significant ‘liberal’ and/or liberal arts background showing off. At this point I’m kinda surprised that these great works of art are so accessible. Between the increasingly stupid, like this guy, and the evil ones, not just muzzies but the fossilheads as well, nothing would surprise me. Cultural suicide being what it is.
And yet there are those who object to the term feral when describing such creatures.
I think it’s accurate but you can call it ‘larking’ if you want. The perpetrator should face something more substantial than the inconvenience of a small fine.
The term “influencer” has taken generational self-importance and an overwhelming sense of entitlement to new levels, or depths. It’s not malicious, it’s just so bloody bloody stupid.
Mind you in a world and more specifically an education system that inexorably churns out poorly educated young adults with child brains who feel morally obligated to disparage the past and glorify the shallow present (see also “latest thing”) what else can you expect.
How about callous? Your typical “influencer” is a creature with a gargantuan sense of entitlement and a microscopic sense of responsibility. Overwhelmingly callous, often enough malicious.
Public caning, plus full restitution.
But it *IS* for their benefit that we imprison criminals. Because when we let criminals run rampant that eventually leads to vigilantism….which leads to dead criminals.
So, really, we’re doing them a solid by jailing them. We’re keeping them away from the people who will eventually kill them.
That’s the cope anyway. Someone else will eventually do the vigilantism, then conservatives sit quietly and politely while the onesy-twosy George Zimmermans and the Daniel Pennys and numerous unnamed others have their lives ruined by the system. They even jump on the vigilantes for “doing it wrong”. Thus more outrage by the criminal class and their allies and the criminals run rampant some more. Then more one-offs. And conservatives duck and cover some more. But eventually…eventually, it takes. Just keep your head down and someone else will pay the price.
Public caning, plus full restitution.
Ah! The rattan. Low rates of recidivism after a length of well seasoned bamboo has been wielded across the buttocks.
https://twitter.com/wanyeburkett/status/1672685681737453568
I’m smart enough to know you’re a fucking idiot if you don’t think that the T part of LGBT isn’t working overtime to prove you wrong.
It’s all rather surreal, in a dismaying, dysgenic, dystopian kind of way. And note the ferals who stop their cars and jump out, not to help the lone woman being robbed, or to see if she’s alright, but to assault her, to drag her to the ground, and to then steal more stuff themselves. There’s an air of blood-in-the-water.
And an opportunity to judge people by the content of their character.
Meanwhile, in Merseyside, a new initiative to help the true victims…
And on the general subject:
As someone notes in the subsequent comments, “A strong argument for ‘3 strikes’ laws.”
I’m smart enough to know you’re a fucking idiot if you don’t think that the T part of LGBT isn’t working overtime to prove you wrong.
Correct.
Oh, have a heart. Why if you just woke up one morning to find yourself in police custody, you know, like in some sort of Kafka story, I’m sure you would appreciate some ‘help’ as well.
Hells, it’s a strong argument for the death penalty.
Funny how it’s always the ‘LGBT activists’ who find ‘sexual relationships between adults and minors are ‘mostly harmless.”
Columbia University has some explaining to do.
As an aside, it seems highly probable neither Marshall Burns’ or Theo Sandfort’s electronic devices would bear much scrutiny.