Verboten Realities
Lifted from the comments, here’s an interview with Professor Amy Wax. Topics touched on include academia’s practised unrealism, declining competence, and the seeming irrelevance of whether a thing is true:
You know, the word truth never appears in his op-ed… Usually, it was falsehoods that undermine trust, back in the good old days, and truth that supported trust. Now they’ve turned that completely on its head. Whether what I said is true or not seems completely irrelevant.
The discussion, at 24:45, of who gets to define extremism – and, very much related, The Party Of Shoplifting – is, I think, entertaining and rather on-the-money.
Update, via the comments:
The complaints against Professor Wax were compiled, with some enthusiasm, by the law school’s Dean, Theodore Ruger, who claims to have experienced “lasting trauma” after hearing Wax speak. This, remember, is a supposedly grown man. An intellectual.
Ruger’s improbable assertion echoed those of several students who would have us believe that Wax’s mere presence on campus is “physically and emotionally harming all of us.” And whose list of grievances included one student who resented the expectation that in order to win a debate, she “had to prove herself” – i.e., make a compelling argument – and another who was crushed by the suggestion that affirmative action policies can leave their supposed beneficiaries academically unprepared.
At which point, the word irony springs to mind.
This, then, is the standard at the University of Pennsylvania’s law school. Where tuition is a mere $76,000 a year.
So far as I can see, Professor Wax’s heretical comments – whether on the statistical benefits of bourgeois values, or on cultures of dysfunction, or on “equity” versus competence, or on her own students’ performance disparities and drop-out rates – have yet to be refuted by those trembling with indignation. They have, however, been denounced as “hate speech,” “racist,” “segregationist,” “white supremacy,” etc.
Apparently, among our betters, it is now scandalous to suggest that a way to minimise the risk of poverty and imprisonment is to be diligent and hardworking, charitable and civic minded, and to “eschew substance abuse and crime.”
Again, $76,000 a year.
At which point, it’s perhaps worth repeating this, from an earlier post on those supposedly traumatised by Professor Wax and the fact that she exists:
Hence the bizarrely narrow range of permissible opinions, the unmentionable statistics, and the zeal with which transgressions are punished.
Update 2:
In the comments, ccscientist adds,
And the result is very often disaffection and resentment, which is eagerly redirected, not least by many of Wax’s critics, towards “whiteness,” or “white supremacy,” or “structural racism,” or some other self-flattering conspiracy theory. The resentment may be misdirected, or entirely unearned, but it is exploitable.
It’s also worth remembering that Wax’s comments about performance disparities and drop-out rates among her own students were prompted by Glenn Loury, who had noted, correctly, that such disparities must necessarily result from racial favouritism and wildly varying standards in admissions. A point he explains more fully in the short, and very much recommended, video embedded here.
Wax was essentially confirming Loury’s own reasoning, and stating clearly what Loury had cautiously tip-toed towards. And yet she, unlike he, is demonised and punished for articulating a statistical necessity, an observable fact. As Wax puts it, common knowledge, albeit of a kind studiously ignored by those doing the punishing and puffing out their chests.
As Wax says in the video linked above,
And noticing the knot, the mental contortion, is very much forbidden.
Professor Wax is a BALLER!
WOW, it is so CLEAR that she ran out of fucks to give A LONG TIME AGO.
What a hero.
[ Resorts to online slang dictionary. ]
David, I think you have a reader who is not an old geezer.
Das, you need not get off my lawn.
A verboten thought: If only the clerk had been armed with a semi-auto shotgun.
She’s right (and funny). The Democrats are the extremists.
And the result is very often disaffection and resentment, which is eagerly redirected, not least by many of Wax’s critics, towards “whiteness,” or “white supremacy,” or “structural racism,” or some other self-flattering conspiracy theory. The resentment may be misdirected, or entirely unearned, but it is exploitable.
It’s also worth remembering that Wax’s comments about the performance disparities and drop-out rates among her own students were prompted by Glenn Loury, who had noted, correctly, that such disparities must necessarily result from racial favouritism and wildly varying standards in admissions. A point he explains more fully in the short video embedded here.
Wax was essentially confirming Loury’s own reasoning, and stating clearly what Loury had cautiously tip-toed towards.
And yet she, unlike he, is demonised and punished for articulating a statistical necessity, an observable fact. As Wax puts it, common knowledge, albeit of a kind studiously ignored by those doing the punishing and puffing out their chests.
As Wax says in the video linked above,
And noticing the knot, the mental contortion, is very much forbidden.
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An unwise favouritism which academia has been indulging in for 60 years.
You’d think that such smart people would have learned better by now.
That academia has not learned better can, I think, be attributed to the stupidity of cloistered academics, the group-think fostered and demanded by academic culture, and the steady degeneration of academia as the sixties radicals infiltrated and took over. Nowadays even actual islamo-fascist terrorists are welcome.
In fact, the earliest black riots on university campuses were perpetrated by “affirmative action” students who were utterly unprepared for the rigors of university life and lashed out at “whitey”. But instead of recognizing that they were mis-matched to the institutions and could have done better at less demanding schools, the blacks raged at “racist” standards and a lack of “black history” classes.
Thomas Sowell has written about the 1969 violence at Cornell University.
Walter Berns is another professor who wrote about what he saw at those riots/campus takeover.
Wax’s story is a pretty good shorthand for the ongoing, quite rapid corruption and rot of academia. As she says in this video, which I strongly recommend:
These mighty keepers of our culture. Our betters.
Academic tenure was supposed to protect professors, and yet professors are among the least courageous in our society.
Some friends.
Heh. Well, quite.
Perhaps by friends they mean social status.
Indeed.
Now, there is a psychological and professional cost to being a social outcast, no matter how just the cause that one adheres to. But tenure is supposed to be the professional protection that makes it possible to dissent. And yet here we are. I believe it was Victor Davis Hanson (and I am sure many others) who remarked that life in academia trains people to be conformists and non-risk-takers.
Professor Wax is being sanctioned despite her accusers offering no evidence to refute her statements, and despite presenting no evidence of her ever discriminating against students. Indeed, her accusers are themselves accused of indulging in, shall we say, procedural irregularities, and of avoiding clear, reciprocal and objective standards.
As remarked, for instance, here:
And when your list of supposedly damning sins include the whining of a student who resents being expected to be coherent in her arguments, at a law school, as if that were an outrage and clearly racist, then some self-reflection seems in order.
Suddenly recalled this song from many decades ago:
“Their Way,” written by Bob Blue, recorded by Bright Morning Star:
I came, I bought the books, lived in the dorms, followed directions.
I worked, I studied hard, made lots of friends who had connections.
I crammed, they gave me grades — and may I say not in a fair way.
But more, much more than this, I did it Their Way.
I learned so many things even though I’ll never use them.
The courses that I took were all required — I didn’t choose them.
You’ll find that to survive it’s best to play the doctrinaire way
And so I knuckled down and did it Their Way.
Yes, there were times I wondered why I had to cringe when I could fly.
I had my doubts, but after all I clipped my wings and learned to crawl.
I learned to bend, and in the end I did it Their Way.
And now, my fine young friends, now that I am a full professor,
Where once I was oppressed, now I become the cruel oppressor.
With me you’ll learn to cope, you’ll learn to climb life’s golden stairway.
But like me, you’ll see the light and do it Their Way.
For what is a man? What can I do? Open your books — read chapter two!
And if it seems a bit routine, don’t talk to me — go see the Dean.
They get their way, I get my pay… We do it Their Way!
If the clerk had hit that first guy that went through the door with whatever he had in his hand it might well have stopped the thugs. The hesitancy was . . . ill-advised.
Penn should be ashamed.
Minor quibble perhaps but ‘ongoing’ seems to contradict the suddenness implied by ‘quite rapid’. To borrow a phrase, the intellectual bankruptcy seems to have come about gradually, then suddenly.
Such exalted beings are untrammeled by
plebeianbourgeois notions of morality.Heh. Wax actually used that line, or a minor variation of it, during this interview, which I was listening to, exactly when I spotted your comment.
The interview linked above is worth a listen, by the way. As Wax puts it, her basic point is, “People have to be allowed to fail, on their own level, and according to a single standard.” In other words, you shouldn’t cheat or degrade standards and credibility, irreparably, in order to achieve some politically congenial colour palette.
This is said following an anecdote about a would-be doctor who flunked his exams not once but four times, resulting in the mobilising of an entire department of handwringers determined to fudge and make unwarranted accommodations, solely on grounds of the student’s skin colour. Because they wanted a black trophy.
To which, Wax adds, “But think about the patients who are going to have him as a doctor.” And one might also think about the competent black medical students whose credentials may be tarnished or rendered suspect by such supposedly high-minded efforts.
See also firefighting, policing, maths teaching, and any number of other things.
“Gradually, then suddenly” is how I subconsciously interpreted David’s comment.
One of the other elephants in the room is that if these young people truly do have the raw talent necessary to succeed, the (almost always public) schools that they attended utterly failed in their duty to help them acquire the ability to pass those tests. Note the lack of inquiry into why that might be. Perhaps look at places where school choice is an option, specifically vouchers, and see if there is some sort of difference there.
I think I failed to convey my impression that the deliquescence of the academy has been going on for quite some time, starting well before the spoiled brats of the 1960’s were allowed to go . . . unspanked.
And likely a school closer to home. I suspect that the going-away-to-college thing might have done more damage to people from lower crime, more rural black communities than others. Though getting out of the more…urban…mentality probably helped.
Oh, I quite agree with you: The catastrophes of the 60’s could not have happened if academia had not already become seriously decadent and corrupt.
The ongoing moral rot:
Columbia University has updated its anti-discrimination policy to say that race-neutral policies that have a “disproportionate impact” constitute discrimination.
For those who missed it, not entirely unrelated to the topic at hand:
For instance, in the RAF, where brownness and womb-having have now been deemed of more importance than, say, passing a basic fitness test.
One big problem with not allowing people to fail is that failure quite often leads to later success. I know a good number of people who were the kind teachers and administrators shook their heads about. Oh what a pity so-and-so just will not buckle down and conform to being a good student. He’ll never get into college with that attitude. I now see many of those same students on FB driving their 35 foot fishing boats with three 450 HP engines on the back, running successful multi-million dollar businesses that they started themselves, etc. I thank God good people like that didn’t waste years of their lives reading Bronte or being force-fed Keynesian economics.
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I also do sometimes catch the Glenn Loury & John McWhorter podcast. Two powerful and usually very careful minds. Not infallible, of course.
In connection with Amy Wax’s point, John McWhorter can be somewhat fussy and prim when it comes to the manner in which the racial orthodoxy is challenged. He did go through the great effort, and risk, of writing his book “Woke Racism: How a New Religion Has Betrayed Black America”. Of which I own a copy. The book is precise and effective. I expect he found Amy Wax’s approach sloppy, and so he didn’t want to stick up for her in full.
That’s one that I haven’t read yet.
What’s the deal with the magic sticks they are holding? Does it give them special indigenous-people powers? Maybe the sticks are cursed? Which idea is stupider, that or DEI?
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I had a high school friend who became a freshman there after we graduated in 1968. I visited him there in 1972. I don’t remember anything about that violence or talking with him about it, which shocks me.
Until the Internet came along, I paid little attention to the news aside from headlines. Obviously. I wasn’t that much different from today’s students.
Heck, it was only a few years ago that I first learned about the 1970 kidnapping and murder of Quebec’s Labour Minister Pierre Laporte. I was shocked that it had happened, and I was shocked that, again, I had zero memory of it.
Which is utter bullshit. The supposed “patriarchy” they whinge on about incessantly? It’s as much or more a product of the older women in all those societies. Why?
Maintenance of position. You can’t have those young hotties out there taking advantage of the older women by soaking up all the old successful male juices. Those are the exclusive purview of the successful older females, who picked right when they were young hotties and sacrificed their young hottiness on those males. As such, it’s key and essential that they control their competition, the younger hotties.
The sexual politics of this crap are utter bullshit. Any patriarchy, any real one? Would not be set up the way our society is. It’d be all about access to young hot p*ssy, all the time, and the older worn out versions would mostly be living alone on ice floes, not least due to their loss of decent personality you could live with.
What’s amazing to me is how the average Western woman is unable to work out that things are set up for her benefit, and that it took thousands of generations of effort by her foremothers to get it that way. They pissed away all that advantage over the course of a century, thinking that the men had it so great. Reality? Most males in any society are basically meat-getting appliances for the women, and the rest of the “privilege” they are given are the smelly leftovers women with any real sense don’t want in the first place. Sure, great… Go wear yourself out and shorten your lifespan drudging away at the coalface, while we stay home and raise the kids. At least for the upper classes, this was a truth: Women had it better. Lower-class types got equally screwed, just in different sex-role based ways. Not much to chose between life as a household drudge and being the guy running behind the carriages or standing in the front line of mid-18th Century combat.
You would almost want to laugh at them, until you look around and recognize the damage that sheer envy and failure to think through consequence has delivered upon our entire society.
Women say that they want to be treated the same as men… Right up until they’re facing the consequences of that in real life. Observe what happens to that vaunted “Lesbian survey ship captain” in New Zealand: I guarantee you that the end of that “inquiry” will result in her not being held at all accountable for her failure in command the way a male would be. They’ll excuse her for whatever gross negligence was responsible for putting that 100-million dollar ship onto a reef, and her life will go on. A male in that job? Dude’s done for, period. Only someone whose first adjective was “Lesbian” can escape consequence, because… Woman.
That line of Jack Nicholson’s in As Good as it Gets still resonates, years later… “How do you write women so well, Mr. Udell?” “I think of a man, and then I take away reason and accountability…”
Ladies and gentlemen, I offer up to you the epitaph for our current society, with regards to the way all too many women in it conceive of their positions. They would burn you at the stake for pointing it out, but that’s a reality for far too many. Zero reason, zero accountability or responsibility. It’s always the fault of the patriarchy; never the women who actually set those rules in place and enforced them on their daughters with a viciousness that’s incomprehensible to a man.
Note who’s often the driving force behind honor killings; who really did Hester Prynne dirty. The average male loves him some slut, because sluts are more fun. The reality is that the slut isn’t loathed or hated by men, but by other women who rightly see her as a threat to their ongoing criminal enterprise, running men’s lives into the ground through overwork and bitching about everything.
La nouvelle trahison des clercs.
I was not prepared for college in spite of a pretty good high school. Terrible study habits and too much partying. However, being white, I had no ready excuses so I had to figure it out. Did smashingly after I did figure it out. If you are black, you can blame someone else.
You spoke French!
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@Nate Whilk: Are you stochastic Socratic?
My memory is extremely dim. I know I heard about these events when they happened, but I was only 15 in 1970.
Ever get the feeling the ‘patriarchy’ is the mid-wit version of Bigfoot?
Three out of four screwed the pooch, and they did it without penises.
All the time. And, when you call them on it, the usual suspects almost always cite something that actually comes out of the very real “matriarchy”.
Believe me, if it were truly up to men? Every woman would have to wear “revealing” clothes, and she’d have to keep herself fit enough to do so… Hell, were it truly the “male patriarchy”, clothes would likely be completely illegal in the first place, especially the sort of thing that makes you want to cite for false advertising… In a real patriarchy? No push-up bras, no hiding behind corsets or other things. It’d all be there, out in the open and available for the patriarchs to evaluate for fertility.
The fact all this crap is actually mandated and “controlled”? That false modesty enforced on the young hotties? That’s how you know the real source: Threatened older women with influence/control over the older patriarchs. They’re not worried about younger women being sex objects so much as they’re worried about losing the places they themselves earned by being sex objects when they were younger… And, more attractive. Probably better personalities, too…
A real “patriarchy” would look nothing like the BS these idiot women imagine; it wouldn’t be Margaret Atwood-esque fantasy (which is a female projection, pure and simple…), it would probably be more like a permanent frat-boy paradise of put-off adulthood and refusal to grow up. Valhalla, in other words.
Male goals and desires look nothing like what the girls imagine, or what they’ve actually enforced when they were able. Men would like to f*ck everything and anything without repercussion or responsibility; they’d prefer a rotating cast of dozens of different women, all willing to play “catch me, f*ck me” games, but not too hard… Just enough to make it a game. The only damn reason most men put up with the BS necessary to run civilizations is because that’s been more-or-less what the women in their lives wanted, up until lately when they suddenly got the bright idea that they’d like to be doing what the boys looked like they were doing, without ever having to pay the price that the boys were…
You get down to it, and the failure of our civilization is mostly down to the women deciding they’d like some strange, and that their heretofore successful domestication of their own men just wasn’t enough for them.
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pst314 – Heh. Much appreciated. I promise not to kill the grass.
What attracts me to Prof Wax’s comments is that graduated from law school in California in the early 90’s and the academic disparity of what she’s talking about now was starkly obvious among my 1L classmates back then – a full 20 years before Prof Wax started speaking up on these issues.
Mine was not a top-tier school, so the affirmative action students in my particular school were even further left to the bell curve of academic qualifications than Prof Wax encounters. This is even after these students had been pushed into “Gifted and Talented” programs from K-12 in CA public schools. After they had been admitted to Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford and given scholarships despite the fact that they were academically unqualified for those institutions. This is after they were pushed into special tutoring sessions in college. So, not only were they admitted to elite institutions, they were given thousands of hours of remedial tutoring and they STILL couldn’t meet academic admissions standards for law school.
At my particular law school, the professors even put together racially segregated tutoring sessions where the tutors were the top performing law students from the prior year. They were instructed to call security if non-minority students tried to attend.
And, even with all of that malfeasance, the amount of pure corruption was staggering. Several of these charity-admission students showed up to class in brand new BMWs or Porsches. They were CLEARLY not lacking in “privilege.” They just weren’t smart enough to score well on the LSAT and not diligent enough to earn good GPAs in college, despite their family money and loads of special attention from the schools.
Nevermind the number of students who faked being minorities, so they could access these racially segregated benefits. One student comes to mind: This person took the trouble to adopt a hyphenated last name to make a French last name appear to be French-Spanish (which the admissions team would take as Mexican.)….This person drove to the first day of law school in a brand new Jaguar sedan – having graduated from 5 years at Stanford with no debt.
Oh, and this person was dumber than a box of rocks and had precisely zero interest in studying. So, yeah, for Prof Wax to be saying what she says in the way she says it makes her a BALLER. She’s rising out the academic ghetto of Penn Law and crushing the enemies of our culture.
I love it.
I got my STEM field bachelors degree in 1977. I don’t recall clearly, but I think there were a few (but not many!) blacks in our freshman weed-out-the-goats intro physics and chemistry classes. After that first year, I recall only one black physics or chemistry major and he was from personal observation rather mediocre. As best I recall nearly all the black students were in humanities departments.
I recall hearing about special remedial classes being set up at UWM even while I was in grade school. Year after year, failing students were socially promoted for “equity”, until they applied to college and were found to be unqualified even for local non-selective state schools. So the liberals and black activists demanded remedial programs in college to allow those kids to “catch up”. And then those remedial progams mysteriously counted the same as real college classes. And then all the other classes were dumbed down. Utter insanity:
Also recalled: The shibboleth “everyone should go to college”.
Which quickly became “regardless of ability”.
Ya think those professors were grifters and cloistered fools? Maybe?
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The dress code for women in most of the Arab countries seems a more likely example of what the ‘patriarchy’ would mandate.