Why Don’t You Welcome Further Degradation?
In the comments, Nikw211 steers us to the pages of the Observer, where Ms Martha Gill has some thoughts on shoplifting.
First, some setting of the scene:
Co-op despairs that shoplifting is “out of control”; along with antisocial behaviour incidents, the crime has increased by a third in the first half of this year. Meanwhile, John Lewis has taken to offering free coffees to passing [police] officers. “Just having a police car parked outside can make people think twice about shoplifting from our branches,” the head of security for the John Lewis Partnership has said, with more than a hint of desperation.
And,
All rather grim. If not entirely surprising to readers familiar with this blog’s Progressive Retail Experience series. The collection to date, some 495 entries, can be found here.
Ah, that mood of lawlessness.
Ms Gill links to an article including figures by the British Retail Consortium showing a steep increase in predation. Unmentioned by Ms Gill, however, is the equally marked rise in retail staff experiencing physical abuse, sexual assault, and threats with weapons. Thieves, it turns out, are “becoming bolder and more aggressive” as shoplifting has blurred into mob robbery and open, gleeful looting. Though, again, this detail is not explored in the Observer.
Ms Gill, you see, is in search of less obvious, more exotic victims:
Retailers who’ve been sexually assaulted or threatened with machetes may, I suspect, take a different view. And whether the person wielding the machete could be construed as “vulnerable,” a feat accomplished in the Observer article, may not, at the time, have been foremost in their minds.
Except, of course, that studies on the subject repeatedly point out that the majority of shoplifting is not done out of some noble desperation, but rather for kicks, or status, or for black market resale, including the aforementioned baby formula. In reports on the phenomenon and its common causes – say, by the same British Retail Consortium – the words alcohol abuse and drugs crop up frequently, as do the words gang activity and organised crime.
By most estimates, shoplifters are on average caught around 2% of the time, usually after dozens, even hundreds, of thefts; and of those apprehended, roughly half are turned over to the police for prosecution. The National Association for Shoplifting Prevention adds, “While the romanticised face of shoplifting is the starving parent stealing bread to provide for a child, the reality is this is rarely the case.”
Apparently, Ms Gill could not find space in her article for such insights. Instead, Observer readers are treated with a detour into the world of Dickens and literary solidarity with shoplifters – “quite often we are on the side of the light-fingered lifter.” Indeed, we’re told that shoplifting can be construed, by those so inclined, as an act of “social defiance.” We are, however, reminded that small businesses should, perhaps, where possible, be spared such predation – and that, “stealing is not always the best way… to address inequality.”
Eventually, we arrive at the offering of solutions. Naturally, this being the Observer, rumblings of punitive consequences are frowned upon. Jail time for repeat offenders is, we’re assured, “exactly the wrong approach.”
Says Ms Gill,
What those difficult moral problems might be is not made entirely clear. Nor is it obvious why imprisoning habitual thieves, thereby interrupting their criminal adventures, should be considered a total failure and unworthy of the effort.
Instead, with some contrivance, responsibility for thievery is laid elsewhere:
Retailers, it seems, are asking for it. What with those short skirts. Sorry, accessible goods.
Ms Gill then cites academic Gloria Laycock, whose solution to the swell in shoplifting and mob robbery is suitably unobvious and therefore statusful:
Quite how a supermarket might function with all of its goods rendered inaccessible, hidden away under lock and key, is, sadly, left to the imagination.
The general idea, presumably, is that the rest of us, the law-abiding, should resign ourselves to ever more inconvenience and social degradation, and being increasingly alienated from our own neighbourhoods, because punishing habitual criminals, even those armed with machetes, is terribly unfashionable. At least in certain circles. Those inhabited by academics and Observer columnists, for instance.
And so, the preferred, progressive trajectory, as implied above, entails a more demoralised, more dangerous, low-trust society. In which pretty much anything one might wish to buy will be out of reach or shuttered away, and in which every customer will by default be treated as suspicious. Because apparently, we mustn’t acknowledge a difference between the criminal and the law-abiding. Except, that is, to imagine them as more vulnerable than we are.
We will lock up the product, but not the thief. And utopia will surely follow.
Ms Gill is not alone, of course. According to her Guardian colleague Owen Jones, expecting persistent shoplifters to face consequences for their actions is now among “the worst instincts of the electorate.” Because shoplifters are “traumatised,” apparently. The real victims of the drama.
At which point, a thought occurs. If repeated thieving is so high-minded and so easily excused, perhaps Ms Gill and Mr Jones would be good enough to publish their home addresses, the whereabouts of any valuables, and the times at which they’re likely to be out, or at least preoccupied or unconscious.
Or do our betters only disdain other people’s property?
Update, via the comments:
In contrast to Ms Gill and Professor Laycock, it seems to me that the reason we can’t have nice things – say, a low-crime, high-trust society – is not because retailers want their wares to be within reach of customers, who may consequently buy them. Which is to say, it isn’t because of trust. It’s because some people, a busy minority, abuse that trust, repeatedly, and with growing boldness – and because another busy minority keeps coughing up excuses for the degeneracy of the first minority.
As when telling us that people who thieve from retailers – and who do so frequently enough to actually get caught – are somehow “vulnerable” and therefore deserving of our sympathy and concern for their wellbeing. Moreso, it seems, than the law-abiding people on whom they prey, over and over again. Or as when arguing, in ways not entirely convincing, that there’s little point in punishing habitual thieves for their criminal behaviour. As if this would somehow be too fraught, too unfair, or just too much bother.
Update 2:
Behold, a glimpse of utopia:
They’ll lock up the product instead of the thief. pic.twitter.com/mGtoCM0RnJ
— iamyesyouareno (@iamyesyouareno) August 30, 2023
Heavens. Buttons. I wonder what they do.
On tablets of stone they once were, the Ten Commandments. Not even worth a a sheet of A4 today.
An armed society is a polite society..
— Robert Heinlein
The onus is on the thief.
A thief who’s in prison can’t keep on robbing people. And what ‘difficult moral problems’?
There is that. And it does bear repeating. Their imprisonment is for our benefit, not theirs.
Curiously, Ms Gill doesn’t elaborate. I’m guessing we’re supposed to assume, wrongly, that people who repeatedly thieve from retailers – often enough to actually be caught – and even those who do so in bulk and while brandishing machetes – are somehow “vulnerable” and therefore deserving of our sympathy. Moreso, it seems, than the law-abiding people on whom they prey.
With increasing boldness.
Free coffee for cops is a generations-old custom, especially in restaurants that are open late at night. But I do recall that (starting in the 60’s, as I recall) liberals would condemn the practice on ethical grounds–the police were accepting free gifts and were thus morally compromised: Never mind that these were mere cheap cups of coffee and that it would be hard to find instances in which the police could return the favor by “looking the other way” when laws were violated. Most likely, the liberals were complaining because they were (1) naive, and (2) anti-police.
The social need to rip off 55″ TVs (which can be had for less than $300 at WallyWorld), sneakers, and designer handbags. Got it, same thing happened back during the Great Depression, flash mobs of hobos raiding Macy’s or Harrods and making off with Victrolas and fancy spats. In Hugo’s first draft Jean Valjean was nicked for nicking fancy snuff boxes, as was the custom at the time.
Useless punishment is useless.
One can argue whether corporal punishment is right, wrong, or indifferent, but there are no mountains of gum on the streets of Singapore because the potential punishment, as punishments are meant to be, are meant not just to prevent the luckless offender from repeating, but to be a deterrent for others who might be considering the offense.
That is not to say that corporal punishment is the solution, but there has to be the will, something lacking in the therapeutic set that has removed “ready solutions”, to impose something other than a caution, probation, community service. Young Mizzys slinging hot asphalt filling potholes, mowing, or cleaning liter on a road crew (the artist formerly known as a chain gang, but sans chains) just might cause some introspection, and as to Newburn’s “expense” worries, cheaper than having to hire contractors to do the job. Win-win.
A bald faced lie. But by sheer repetition leftist psychologists, sociologists and criminologists have fooled part of the citizenry into thinking it is true.
And that reminds me of Jordan Peterson’s recent comments about how the leftist psychologists and sociologists insisted for many decades that authoritarianism was a purely right-wing phenomenon and that left-wing authoritarianism did not exist and could not exist. (And given how those leftists systematically excluded non-leftists from their professions, it is no surprise that the lies continue to this day.)
By the way, readers are invited to poke through the Progressive Retail Experience links – now numbering 495 – and report back on any sightings of perpetrators who look vulnerable and deserving of our sympathies.
I’ll wait.
Indeed: It is our benefit that is the chief purpose of prison. Reformation of the criminals is desirable, and of great long term benefit if it can be accomplished, but in fact it is rarely accomplished (in spite of liberal rhetoric) chiefly because criminals must want to reform themselves.
Dang, I once again failed to use quotes on the entire quoted passage. Grumble.
Theodore Dalrymple relates the following exchange with a prisoner:
Fixed.
The only difficult moral problem is the thief, but there have always been thieves, and the people who excuse their behavior. Those people are the greater moral problem that needs to be addressed. Stand up to the enablers and the thievery will without a doubt decrease. We have the ability to control the problem. The problem is us.
Thank you.
and mostly (3) (barely) bearded Marxists.
It’s worth noting how the progressive solution – I use the term loosely – is for the rest of us to become resigned to a degraded, more dangerous, low-trust society.
A conceit we’ve seen quite a few times.
As my mother, who grew up in a single parent household during the worst of the Great Depression, and her cousin, all second generation Americans, pointed out on more than a few occasion, they were poor but they did not steal.
The reverence for this book, the stupid hype surrounding the broadway production (which I am forever ashamed even I fell for), and especially the near universal requirement that it be taught in schools is a big, big part of the problem here. Conservatives…”conservatives” surrendered the culture, especially the educational system at their peril. Welcome to The Peril.
A late contribution: on the feminist Homer. What a twit like this cannot see through her insanity, is that Greek classical literature was fully aware of human (and male) folly, pride, stubborness, anger, the whole nine yards. Homer in no way glossed over the foibles and flaws of his characters.
Traditionally, shoplifting was a favored crime of teen girls–teen white girls–and women in general. Nothing to do with poverty. Women also favor check fraud and other low risk crimes.
“doesn’t even work” ha. my white friend in high school figured out how to jimmy vending machines. When he tried to turn a bunch of quarters into dollars at the bank, the clerk asked where he got so many quarters….it was enough to cause him to give up that hobby. What matters is the certainty of getting caught and jail time.
Only stupidity born of ideology could fail to see that this is largely what the Iliad is about:
Often, of course, it is not stupidity but outright dishonesty.
Traditional shoplifting was a covert process with one or two items surreptitiously slipped into a pocket, handbag or, in the more ludicrous examples, a persons clothing.
The current day minority culture version (ain’t nuthin you can do, I’ll be back tomorrow) is an entirely different phenomenon.
I’ll just leave this here.
The current day minority culture version (ain’t nuthin you can do, I’ll be back tomorrow) is an entirely different phenomenon.
TBF, it looks like there is both diversity and inclusion in this version, but yeah, looting is not shoplifting.
Perhaps I should have said “a couple of small items”. Still he did at least make an effort at the surreptitious bit.
Quite why he was still queuing up rather than backing out of the store, square shaped arse first, is a puzzler.
Farnsworth,
One of my personal favourites. The springs on that Dodge are a tribute to American engineering.
Feel enriched yet?
This sort of assault should earn an immediate beating, followed by a beating in the paddy wagon, followed by a beating at the police station.
The left/liberal/progressive complains because doing so establishes them as more-sensitive-than-thou.
“Green” as an excuse for “shoddy” and “unhealthy”
(David, please delete my previous comment. I don’t know how it got posted without clicking the “post” button.)
Let us find out.
It certainly is a solution.
Hope you’re well-provisioned & have a good book & a comfy chair.
This is what Gill, Jones, et al work for. If the constabulary won’t defend itself from such assaults what on Earth makes you think they’ll defend you?
Not unrelated, PST posted a truly beautiful video yesterday, today is another angle and extended version.
Heh. Brings a tear to the eye.
Still another video of those “climate activists”.
Note the big “abolish capitalism” sign.
As I said, put them to work in the potato fields. If they demand socialism, then give them pre-industrial socialism good and hard: Eighteen hours working in the fields while overseers read to them from the thoughts of Pol Pot and Mao.
Sounds like bad luck…
Mmm….ok, Jimmy & The Vending Machines. The band name thing.
Heh. Brings a tear to the eye.
Meanwhile in DC (mirabile dictu) they are fed up with this crap. Some even arrested.
A couple days earlier, a black lady had enough also – much more effective than the people trying to reason with these warts on the inverted pork rectum of humanity.
Looks to me like the…constable…is enjoying the moment. Or pretending to anyway. Probably safer that way. Maybe she’s been trained to behave that way until the real police show up.
Making rational evidence-based decisions is racist, even if the decision-maker is black:
Note the author’s risible byline:
Perhaps the spanking of the unspanked has begun.
Speaking of spankings:
Happy 3 year anniversary, Kyle Rittenhouse.
Or is this in bad taste?
Apropos.
The fact that organised gangs are now behind it, or drug addicts stealing to sell for their next fix, is ignored; in Martha’s feeble brain, it’s always Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread…
Iowahawk has no reservations about summing up the Nevada episode.
“abolish capitalism”–perhaps they don’t have the faintest idea what “capitalism” is. The definition of Marx: capital vs labor, the “capital” is simply rich people who own the factory and labor is the poor serfs who work there. But in the real world, the capital shoring up big companies is everyone’s retirement accounts. In the real world, a small business started by a hippie (that grows into a bigass tea, coffee, or copy business) IS capitalism. To start a business you need $. Many of my friends and relatives have started a business or done consulting–that is capitalism. When in college my buddy and I painted houses, that is capitalism. It was not the government painting houses.
I have seen a leftist praise East Germany because even though the people were poor, there was more equality. The people in East Germany sadly did not feel the same way. Some died trying to escape.
Iowahawk has no reservations about summing up the Nevada episode.
I’d have been gleeful if they’d left the Burning Man types sit for days in their own traffic jam, but I don’t get the glee that this traditional no-nonsense policing made sure nothing got in the way of their weekend of luxury communism.
Depends on which end of the AR-15 you’re at.
That. And the first half even more than the second. It doesn’t matter how severe the punishment might be if the perpetrators know that their chances of being caught are effectively nil.
I think it was Mr. Rogers, Fred Rogers, who told children that whenever there’s a tragedy, look for the funny things. There’s always something stupid someone says that’s funny. OK, maybe not funny-ha-ha but…
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/28/1196283029/lahaina-teacher-leads-efforts-to-remember-children-killed-and-missing-after-wild
I see what you did there.
Well, it was right there, implied, and waiting to be said.
But again, it’s interesting how the implicit solution is for the rest of us to retreat and become resigned to a kind of demoralisation. In which the idea of punishing crime and antisocial behaviour is sidelined or dismissed as too fraught, or too unfair, or just too much bother. There’s a whiff of wretchedness:
It’s rather revolting. And we see echoes of this attitude on several fronts.
Automation and a reduction of staff levels, touched on in the piece, do have unhappy consequences, of course. There is something to be said for the social symbolism of ticket collectors, bus conductors, etc. But again, there’s a glib erasure of agency, as if habitual thieving, and thieving while armed and part of a mob, were just something one does, given the opportunity. Along with the claim that “automation has led to lawlessness to which there is no ready solution in the justice system.”
And note that Ms Gill’s article was approvingly retweeted by editors and columnists at The Economist, the Times Educational Supplement, and other media luminaries.
Our betters, assembled.
More vulnerable individuals.
“More vulnerable individuals”.
Seven-foot something Lurch does not look remotely vulnerable to anything short of a 44 Magnum.
[ Looks around for Dirty Harry. ]
More attempts at degradation from toxic black females:
“Body positivity is for women, not lazy white guys with dad bods“:
“It’s appropriation of body positivity culture created by and for women—by the usual suspects.”
Well, it seems to me that the reason we can’t have nice things – say, a high-trust society – is not because retailers want their customers to have access to their wares while shopping. Which is to say, it isn’t because of trust.
It’s because some people, a busy minority, abuse that trust, repeatedly – and because another busy minority keeps coughing up excuses for the delinquency of the first minority, and insisting we shouldn’t punish them for their predatory and abusive behaviour.
The comments are really not going well for the anonymous author.
“Body positivity is for women, not lazy white guys with dad bods“:
“Black, white, brown, yellow, and all shades in-between,
Racism has no place here, our love is supreme.”
From their mission statement – however an exception can and will be made for “lazy white guys with dad bods”.
“Body positivity is for women, not lazy white guys with dad bods“
I am not convinced that site is not an elaborate piss take.
Bussin FR FR. You don’t get journalisming like that at str8 yte sites.
Republican…or not?
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What we have is a purity spiral, everyone trying to prove they are more holy than the next person. It is not enough to give welfare and favored college admissions, no. We must pretend that we do not see blatant brutal crime, and if it is mentioned we must excuse it because we are so pure that we never have a bad thought about someone. As if predatory lawless monsters did not always exist in every society.
By the way, saw an article about trans in prison–in WI (where the author could find the data), half of the xy trans prisoners were arrested for a sex crime. Sure, put them in the female prison.
I’d worry about those missing 30.
What happened to gender fluidity?
Math is hard.
Don’t be too hard on teacher. Our own government seems to have extraordinary difficulties in keeping tabs on “children” arriving on our shores.
Terry Pratchett has a lot of trouble with basic math, too. I noticed some places in his novels where the numbers just didn’t add up. But on the other hand it would be unfair to compare him to your typical Ed School graduate–much less Ed School professor.
Maybe, maybe not: The ‘hood is not notable for politeness. There must be other factors at work, too.
The cost of this disorder is not trivial. When my daughter was in college in downtown Chicago, the nearby grocery had 2 big cops on duty at all times. Imagine the cost. Yet they blame whites for groceries being higher. A young black punk grabbed her purse in the grocery parking lot and she chased him down (in high heels) and took it back. I told her don’t ever do that again.
Purity Spiral. The long awaited second album from Jimmy & The Vending Machines. Long awaited because one of the Vending Machines had a months long recuperation after falling from a second floor stairwell when performing for Spring Break in Daytona Beach.
What is a woman?
Pratchett had posterior cortical atrophy so some allowances can & should be made. He was no camel after all.
Yes, I know. 🙁 He was diagnosed in 2007. The earliest math error I noticed was in a novel published in 2000 which presumably was written in 1999. Dunno how early the disease started to affect him.
It has become impossible to tell the difference between satire and delusion.
Life was simpler when all we had to worry about was gay frogs.
Probably earlier than anyone noticed. Hindsight and all that.
Still, I didn’t read him for his mathematical prowess.
Agreed. Sigh.
Likewise. Besides, if he had been a camel he would have spit on autograph seekers.
Maybe, maybe not: The ‘hood is not notable for politeness. There must be other factors at work, too.
True, although the ‘hood is not an armed society, per se. The arms are in the hands of the ‘hood “government” or “cops” – i.e. the gangtas and their wannabes. The rest of the people living in the apartments, homes, etc very likely aren’t armed, especially given the (illegal) Chicago and Washington DC gun laws. The “armed society” of the quote is where everyone, including the average citizen is likely to be armed. In the ‘hood, the gangstas know where each other lives, and so they expect to be shot at if they invade there. But the rest of the homes and probably all the businesses – they’re prey.
Another vulnerable individual.
A most unpleasant individual. I hope his use of pepper spray raises the bar from a mere misdemeanour to an actual felony. He shouldn’t be hard to identify with that clear mug shot and distinctive vehicle.
For a moment I thought that was a gun in his hand.
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More of those vulnerable people.
Another delicate flower.
Rocksalt, empty 12 gauge shotgun shells, shotgun. thief. Some assembly required.
Why do you hate young scholars? /sarcasm
That was at one time a crop-protection method favored by farmers, or so I have read: Non-lethal but very painful. And a fruit-stealing kid who caught a load in his ass would get a “serves you right” from his parents.
*cough* Vulnerable. *cough*
Well suited to incidents like this.