Visitors In The Night
Time for some thoughts on crime. From the pages of the Guardian:
Being a Guardian contributor, the author, Ms Anna Spargo-Ryan, a resident of Melbourne, is of course conflicted. Her feelings, it turns out, are something of a tangle. We’re told of the uncontrollable shaking, the shattered sense of safety, the fear for a missing cat, and the experience of subsequently finding items of stolen clothing discarded in the street. “I am so frightened,” says our columnist:
All understandable, and far too commonplace. And yet, simultaneously, the experience is dismissed by the author as one of being merely “inconvenienced for a few days.” “The relative impact of this one night on the whole of my life is nothing compared to setting up a child to reoffend,” says she.
Messages, I think, that are ever so slightly mixed.
Before we go any further, I should point out that the words child and children, used throughout the piece, may be a tad misleading, as the identities of the burglars – who stole, among other items, knives, keys, jewellery, a wallet, and a car – have, at the time of writing, not been shared, or, one assumes, determined. The culprits, who presumably still roam free, are assumed to be teenagers, out for an invigorating spree of robbery and joyriding.
And the word child is so much fluffier. Ah, bless those rosy cheeks.
Likewise, the fretting about “setting up a child to reoffend” may be somewhat misplaced. Not least because people who choose to violate other people’s homes, in the middle of the night, in order to steal their possessions, and while armed with carving knives, have notoriously high rates of recidivism, and it is highly unlikely that the people who robbed our Guardian contributor were on their debut outing. Just as it is unlikely that the nocturnal adventure in question will be their last, whether apprehended or not. In reports of such crimes and belated arrests, the words multiple counts appear reliably. Which makes Ms Spargo-Ryan’s chosen framing seem a little perverse. The reoffending she speaks of is almost certainly underway. Achievement unlocked.
Still, there’s hand-wringing to be done and piety to signal:
And gushing with pretentious sympathy for criminals is so much easier when you have the means to replace any wrecked or stolen items, and when you can afford a therapist to listen to your contradictory outpourings. And when you know your peers will hail you as a “beautiful person” for being so understanding.
Those who have none of the above – and who find the idea of being robbed in their homes by people armed with carving knives somewhat objectionable – are mentioned only in passing.
We’re told that when a local politician noted other incidents of similar predation in the area, dozens in recent months, Ms Spargo-Ryan felt a need to take to social media and air her dissent:
A position that resulted in several replies from people less lofty in their moral complications:
Fair points, I’d say.
Indeed. And it occurs to me that a person breaking into someone’s home in the middle of the night and stealing their possessions is sending a pretty strong signal about who they are. And about how much concern, or how little, the rest of us should have for that person’s wellbeing.
Our Guardian columnist has of course taken a higher path, one much more sophisticated and statusful, and is seemingly relieved that the budding sociopaths are unimpeded by physical consequences. Plus, she’s had her locks changed and has bought a new car. So, everything is fine:
And just when things couldn’t get rosier, another upside is revealed:
So there’s that.
Update, via the comments:
Readers may wish to ponder how someone can tell us, vividly and at length, about how distressing the experience of being burgled is – the anger, the shaking, the persistent sleep loss, the sense of violation – and who can simultaneously dismiss that same experience as a minor inconvenience, a mere bagatelle. As if it were “nothing” compared to the imagined woes of the monsters who treated her with utter, unequivocal contempt, by violating her home and thieving her belongings. Monsters who, statistically, have almost certainly done it before and will likely do it again. And who, with practice, will get bolder.
Readers may also wish to ponder the implicit conceit that the burglars – the ones brandishing carving knives – are the real victims and should therefore be spared any meaningful consequence of their own chosen actions, their own sociopathy. Because, apparently, one should sympathise with the people breaking into one’s home and driving off with one’s stuff. In one’s own car.
Perhaps these are skills only available to Guardian columnists.
Update 2:
In the comments, I Was Burgled Last Year adds,
Well, indeed. It does seem rather selfish. But as Darleen discovered in the thread below, pointing out the possible corrosive effects of sympathy for criminals – rather than for their numerous victims (and future victims), who are very often poor – is precisely the kind of thing that will get you blocked by Ms Spargo-Ryan. Because, obviously, she cares so very much.
As Theodore Dalrymple put it,
Pretentious leniency can be taken as a sign that one doesn’t take the lives of the preyed-upon seriously. They, it seems, are as nothing compared to having oneself applauded as a Higher Being, gushing with forgiveness and moral sophistication. “A beautiful person,” as one of Ms Spargo-Ryan’s many admirers put it. And the extent to which this pretension can be taken – its remarkable perversity – is illustrated quite vividly in the last two paragraphs here.
Tweet deleted. LOL
Oh, well. I guess we’ll never know. But if it was about the post above, it was a bizarre misreading. One might say motivated. I certainly wasn’t scorning the author’s feelings of violation. Quite the opposite.
Again, I’m puzzled by how someone can tell us, vividly and at length, about how distressing the experience of being burgled is – the anger and sense of violation – and of how “I don’t sleep very well anymore.” And who can simultaneously dismiss that same experience as a minor inconvenience. As if it were “nothing” compared to the imagined woes of the monsters who treated her with utter contempt, violated her home and stole her belongings. And who, statistically, have almost certainly done it before and will likely do it again.
It’s… a little odd. A little dissonant.
Darleen, if we ever meet the drinks are definitely on me.
Meanwhile our antipodean friend is still tying herself in knots about her car that was stolen, then found by the police conveniently locked within 24 hours, then quickly replaced for some reason by a hire car, which didn’t work (natch) and had to be replaced, meanwhile she got in touch with a car salesman (why?), only to discover her original car was just fine. All of this takes place within a remarkably short timespan. I’m only surprised she didn’t step out of the shower to find Bobby Ewing waiting.
More good news. Her cat seems to have reappeared during the short period between her apparent abject despair crying out its name into the night and Valentine’s Day. No details about its return though, which is strange.
If anyone scores a date via this thread, the house takes a handling fee.
It’s… a little odd. A little dissonant.
More proof that wokeness makes you crazy.
Well, as I’ve said before, what strikes me about the ‘progressive’ mindset – middle-class ‘liberals’, wokeness, whatever – isn’t so much the unconvincing, rather contrived nature of any particular posture, but the underlying psychology, which seems a little weird, rather messed-up. It does seem to be a recipe for neurosis.
Readers may also wish to ponder the implicit conceit that the burglars – the ones brandishing carving knives – are the real victims and should therefore be spared any meaningful consequence of their own chosen actions, their own sociopathy. Because, apparently, one should sympathise with the people breaking into one’s home and driving off with one’s stuff.
Computer says no.
“What sort of person without a real problem even has a therapist?”
This lady’s whole thing appears to be writing about her mental problems, which, per her, include psychotic episodes, and now ADHD added to the mix.
Of course this suggests she might need a different therapist, regardless, it also suggests that whereas she may well have been robbed, that appearing to be a problem in her neck of the woods, we’d have to ask the rozzers what the details they found were.
More proof that wokeness makes you crazy.
Conversely, crazy might make one woke.
I’d guess that what we’ve seen here over the years is probably a feedback loop, in which woke status pretty much requires unrealism, in-group anxiety, and practised dishonesty, and exacerbates any pre-existing neurotic tendencies.
To belong, to be superior, one must become fashionably irrational.
Tweet deleted. LOL
You may be able to see some deleted tweets via the Wayback Machine.
Burglary: unless you are doing drug deals or have a crazy boyfriend, your most likely way to get murdered is during a home invasion or store robbery. So it isn’t “just some stuff”.
To david’s point about “unstable leftist women”–data show that this is not just anecdotes. The farthest left people are the most disturbed and unhappy, especially women.
To david’s point about “unstable leftist women”–data show that this is not just anecdotes. The farthest left people are the most disturbed and unhappy, especially women.
“It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy.”
–Nineteen Eighty-Four, by George Orwell
I think the problem largely has to do with the female tendency towards girl cliques in which social pressure and cruelty is used to enforce conformity and hierarchy.
She wants sympathy (BAD MAN SAID MEAN THINGS) and the best way to do that is not to share a link. 🙂
Well, as her comments bore so little relation to what I’d written, and actually inverted several points, I’m still unsure whether mine was the post she meant. Though I haven’t seen any others. Either way, a tongue-bath, as Darleen put it, has since ensued.
via the Wayback Machine.
Thank you pst!!!
Her cat was in the wardrobe the whole time.
Yes. Aren’t we all ;). Isn’t it funny how the harder and harder we try, the worse things get. Not just in reality but perception goes even further. Personally I am not opposed to helping people out, but they gotta be on the level. I used to volunteer working in the school system as a mentor, even though I have no kids. I have even tried working with/helping the homeless but when the training put me through a privilege walk after which I asked apparently uncomfortable questions about how the people we would be helping would be held accountable by staying off drugs and alcohol…well bad me.
I did some work with people who were on the edge of homelessness, helping with classes regarding financial responsibility. A great number of people could be helped in that regard because there is a tremendous amount of ignorance about where wealth comes from and how one can make a better life for oneself if you just understand how it all works. It was very rewarding watching lightbulbs go on in a few people’s heads. But even that had to be sacrificed to woke-leaning Christianity.
A few years back I was at a happy hour and in a discussion with a group of women (yeah…imagine) about theater stuff or something artsy. Anyway, boss’s boss’s wife, had (oddly) bonded with me because unlike her husband whom she could not drag to the theater, I actually knew who George Bernard Shaw was. Somehow this segued into a blood drive that was going on at work. I think because I still had the bandage on. Something led me to make a casual flippant comment that there was a point where I was so disgusted by people in general that I stopped giving blood for a couple years. Boss’s boss’s wife turned on me to shame me for such a misanthropic attitude. So I, sitting there with a bandage on my arm, tell her that I had already given over ten gallons in my life and ask, “How about you?” Oh…she never gave but you see, you see, you see…
To WTP’s point about helping people by giving advice: I have found that people who can utilize your advice will ask for it. People who NEED your advice won’t take it (usually). We had a quite poor black woman friend in the South. Her 19 yr old daughter came to our house for housework etc. She was not messed up like urban blacks (small town). My wife advised her to become a nurse, and she did! Very gratifying. I advised a young man on how to increase his business income. He followed my advice and that leveraged into a corporate job. BUT later he did not remember and was not grateful. So it is good to remember that people are fickle. Still worth it.
On the mental illness and journalists thing: For many mental illnesses there are things you can do to reduce severity. Cognitive behavioral therapy, quit drinking, meds, exercise (for depression). But dwelling on your illness is NOT one of the recommended therapies. Valorizing your illness is even worse.
Exactly. Which was the thing. The programs that I worked with generally required a bit of extra effort on the other person’s part. Attending classes after work or mentoring AFTER school. Mentoring during school hours was a 75% waste of my time so I gave it up. My boss, the boss who was my boss under the husband of the boss’s boss’s wife (heh), does volunteer work in the prison system. We’re (somewhat) still friends. But I’m a jerk for even questioning that. I’m dumb, I don’t understand, I’m self-centered, I need more God in me.
I think the problem largely has to do with the female tendency towards girl cliques in which social pressure and cruelty is used to enforce conformity and hierarchy.
The devil you say.
Wokeness is high school mean girls behaviour writ large. It’s become so pervasive because so much social interaction now takes place in environments – both online and off – where mean girls are at no risk of being beaten within an inch of their lives for being insulting.
What sort of person without a real problem even has a therapist?
Crippling neurosis is a very real problem, it’s just that therapy won’t cure it.
I see Darleen has been A Very Bad Girl.
Heh. https://youtu.be/cxF_V90s9g8
Might even make it worse.
To WTP’s point about helping people by giving advice: I have found that people who can utilize your advice will ask for it. People who NEED your advice won’t take it (usually).
Agreed. I once knew someone who came close to being homeless due entirely to his own bad decisions. I tried to advise him more than once that he was seriously endangering his financial well-being, but he ignored me and continued on the road to self-destruction. And he was a self-described rationalist and skeptic.
A converse is the person who poses as a benevolent expert but who gives bad advice. Such toxic people are a frequent topic here.
[ Passes Darleen Bad Girl stockings, hip flask, flick knife. ]
Wokeness is high school mean girls behaviour writ large. It’s become so pervasive because so much social interaction now takes place in environments – both online and off – where mean girls are at no risk of being beaten within an inch of their lives for being insulting.
Or just shunned instead of beaten up. Consider internet trolls, who suffer no social consequences for being dishonest or malicious. In the past, we could just refuse to socialize with them, but it is essentially impossible to exclude them from social media–hence the cesspool of Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and various blogs.
Jordan Peterson on how our culture lies to women.
I see Darleen has been A Very Bad Girl.
Bad Amy Farrah Fowler
Based on the amount of handling?
[ Has aelfheld’s stool moved closer to the toilets. ]
[ Has aelfheld’s stool moved closer to the toilets. ]
aelfheld’s stool better be in the toilets, never mind closer to them.
Also, aelfheld’s stool sounds like something from a norse saga.
Also, also, band name.
Yes. Aren’t we all ;).
I’m glad you took that the right way. I should have put a winky. ;-p
My best piece of advice I can provide over here aelfheld is to keep your feet off the floor. Though you might want to consider a hepatitis vaccine. Your body, your choice of course.
Oh, I feel ya. No, I mean in a good way…no…wait…never mind…
“Her public defender said she works as a customer support agent at O’Hare. She has never been arrested and had no idea that the robbery would turn into a murder, the lawyer argued.”
Oh, well that’s okay then. She’s clearly a Good Citizen and not a feral predator.
She’s clearly a Good Citizen and not a feral predator.
That was my point up thread. The legal system, justice system, penal system and increasingly the policing system have been surrendered to people educated in marxist/neo-marxist ideology.
Under marxist teaching a feral predator is a victim of injustice. In pure marxism, they are a victim of economic injustice, in neo-marxism, they are a victim of racial/minority-group injustice. They are redeemable. You and I are not.
What’s happening in some school boards, in some states, needs to start happening in the justice system and the courts. It may be too late. Politicians are too stupid and too short sighted to see what’s happening. What I still don’t understand is, who is paying for it and why?
A tin foil hat is preferable to a blindfold.
That was my point up thread. The legal system, justice system, penal system and increasingly the policing system have been surrendered to people educated in marxist/neo-marxist ideology.
Exactly!
What used to happen to these people in the old Soviet Union?
Good question…
What used to happen to these people in the old Soviet Union?
The criminals were sent to the gulag. But they were treated better than the “unredeemable” political prisoners.
Good question…
It’s not all George Soros, not by a long shot: There are lots of wealthy American leftists funding these evil causes.
You would think that successful business people would realize that leftism only destroys, but the capacity for self-delusion seems to be infinite. Many were indoctrinated in school. Some inherited their wealth from parents who would have been wiser to have cut them off (see Bill Ayers, son of Commonwealth Edison executive, friend of Barack Obama, and proud terrorist.)
Furthermore, I take a lesson from England, where the Conservative Party embraced state socialism when it realized that it was possible to be a socialist and yet retain one’s money and power and privileges.
This. This is a big part of the problem. And not just at the big bucks level. A lot of trouble in our community is being created by people who inherited their houses from Mummy and (sometimes) Daddy, but have zero idea how to take care of things nor how to show proper respect to neighbors or existing customs/rules. If they had actually worked for that wealth they would not be so ignorant nor cavalier about the responsibilities of having it.
“Clogs to clogs in three generations” is the aphorism.
Yep. Something similar might be going on in technology as well, iykwim.
But they were treated better than the “unredeemable” political prisoners.
According to Solzhenitsyn, in many cases they were put in charge of keeping the other prisoners in line.
But they were treated better than the “unredeemable” political prisoners.
According to Solzhenitsyn, in many cases they were put in charge of keeping the other prisoners in line.
That’s right.
Leniency for burglars makes her look good to her friends but it hurts victims of burglary.
Well, yes, it does seem rather selfish. But as Darleen discovered upthread, pointing out the corrosive effects of sympathy for criminals – rather than for their numerous victims (and future victims), who are very often poor – is precisely the kind of thing that will get you blocked by Ms Spargo-Ryan. Because, obviously, she cares so very much.
As Theodore Dalrymple put it,
Pretentious leniency can be taken as a sign that one doesn’t take the lives of the preyed-upon seriously. They, it seems, are as nothing compared to having oneself seen as a Higher Being, gushing with forgiveness and moral sophistication. “A beautiful person,” as one of Ms Spargo-Ryan’s admirer’s put it. And the extent to which this pretension can be taken – its remarkable perversity – is illustrated quite vividly in the link above.
Post updated.
Also, this came to mind as somewhat relevant:
Again, the Theatre Of Compassion, so favoured by Guardian columnists, is not without a price.
It really is a pity that Guardian writers and editors are burgled and mugged more often.
Argh! That should have been “are NOT burgled”.