I’ll Just Leave This Here, I Think
She’s tired of catering to your feelings.
You see, when you appear to be female, and sound female, and are objectively female, and you visit a restaurant with a group of women, and the stranger taking your order fails to pre-emptively ask, as one does, whether anyone present has serious mental health issues, and instead simply says, “Hi, ladies”… Well, clearly, this is an outrage.
Update, via the comments:
Nikw211 adds,
I am not responsible for the state of someone else’s mental health. This is not because I lack compassion, but because anyone who makes the state of their confidence and sanity dependent on random strangers is going to be forever disappointed. It would be like bursting into tears every time you buy a lottery ticket and find your numbers didn’t come up.
It does seem an unpromising path to contentment. As noted here recently,
This, I think, is what makes trans activism different from that of other groups with which transgender people are often equated. Someone being gay, for instance, doesn’t generally entail a demand that everyone else either hallucinate or pretend to hallucinate. Which is to say, trans activism often includes a belief that the rest of us should pretend that the physical reality we can see is somehow not the case. And unsurprisingly, people may object to being told that they should lie on demand.
A concession that would leave those so inclined at the mercy of any poseur, or prankster, or unpleasable neurotic.
Some will likewise not welcome being told to indulge, wholesale, a bundle of phenomena that includes not only actual gender dysphoria, whether the result of neurological anomalies or childhood molestation, but also autogynephilia, serious personality disorders, and assorted exhibitionist and unsavoury compulsions. The expectation seems to be that we should take these different phenomena, with very different moral connotations, as being one and the same thing, and then defer to them. Which is asking rather more than can readily be agreed to.
Update 2:
Our Queen of Sorrow says,
Every time I go to the grocery store and ignore being called ‘miss’ or ‘ma’am’… it’s not okay.
And so, one has to wonder what the imagined solution is, the one to which we aren’t made privy. Are checkout staff everywhere supposed to ignore the obvious fact that Arthur is female, and presents herself as female, with female clothing and hair? Should checkout staff and waitresses, and everyone working in retail, everywhere, somehow just know to pretend that Arthur is something she isn’t? Do checkout staff and waitresses really have the time and wherewithal to fathom and indulge every single customer’s psychological quirks in advance of any interaction, even a routine greeting? Exactly how much of this lady’s psychological dissonance should be foisted on everyone else?
And would such an accommodation set us on a path we want to be travelling down? Pretending can lead to some strange terrain.
In person, I’m generally polite by default and don’t go out of my way to needlessly put a kink in someone else’s day. I’ve had perfectly civil chats with people who regard themselves as trans or gender-non-conforming or whatever. Nobody got upset. But what is being asked – or demanded – is not a small thing, not in its implications. Some insist that not indulging psychodrama is a violation of human rights and a basis for severe legal consequences. One might think that coercively eroding the probity of other people, demanding that they lie and pretend to hallucinate, is a pretty bad thing too. At best, a recipe for grim farce.
But there we are.
Update 3, via the comments, more fits of unrealism:
When you’ve been severely educated.
Being precocious, we’re told, is just “white supremacy” and therefore something to atone for.
Also, open thread. Share ye links and bicker.
Little Miss Nosering can’t be bothered with facts when there is White Supremacy to seize for virtue-signally points.
Little Miss Nosering – aka Miss “Unpack That!” – has, however, mastered the condescending, self-satisfied tone expected of her caste. And hey, that’s what matters. Her social-class signalling isn’t dependent on knowing routine facts, or stringing together thoughts in a realistic manner. She just needs to mouth the incantations.
Trinity College professor of sociology states being white is “anti-human”.
A doctrine of racial supremacy, in which the German race was entitled to conquer and enslave, already thrived in German academia by the time of World War I. Hitler merely took it to the next level.
This sort of racist thinking now pervades academia in America and the UK. The parallels to Nazi ideology are clear to anyone with eyes see. I am not sure what fraction of American blacks and American academics would willingly implement a new Gulag, but it is not tiny.
“a new gulag”?
How about a new Rwanda?
“How about a new Rwanda?” I know a lot of people from India, Iran, Iraq, China, Japan and I have bad news for the genocide-minded—none of them view themselves as “brown” or “POC” nor are they invested in BLM politics. Same with most mexicans (etc). Their majority is not a majority when you consider this.
I know a lot of people from India, Iran, Iraq, China, Japan–none of them view themselves as “brown” or “POC” nor are they invested in BLM politics.
But how many of such immigrants are leftists? Any increase in the population of leftists is a danger. BLM is merely the latest manufactured cause.
I know a lot of people from India, Iran, Iraq, China, Japan–none of them view themselves as “brown” or “POC” nor are they invested in BLM politics.
“Not invested in” might be an understatement. 🙂
Back in the summer of 2020, during the peak of the riots, I think I posted a link here to a video of a black woman ranting into her cell phone about all the Arab store owners (“A-rabs, the fake-ass Ramadan muthafuckas”) who were defending their shops with firearms: She felt that they had no right to do so, because black people are entitled to riot and loot whenever they wish. This sort of barbaric attitude does not win friends.
(The above link may not work in the future, because Facebook and Twitter repeatedly removed that video for violating “community standards”.)
They are pandered to because they speak up
No, that isn’t it. Again, there just aren’t enough of them. There are lots of microscopic groups out there that are just as vocal; I once worked with a chemtrails conspiracy theorist who’d been politely asked by the RCMP to stop writing letters to his MP asking him to investigate the issue.
As I’ve said before, all woke posturing is women competing for status within the herd, or men trying to exploit women competing for status within the herd.
The Catholic church figured out how to channel female competition into charity[1], and that maneuver has been hijacked, Iowahawk-style, by the woke left. The twentieth century is filled with middle-class white women Caring Very Deeply about Very Unfortunate People that aren’t anywhere near them, from victims of the demon rum to distended-belly Ethiopian orphans to AIDS patients. Whether all that caring actually helps anyone is irrelevant.
Corporations pander to women because women control the vast majority of consumer spending. Politicians pander to women because they’re more homogeneous in their voting preferences and more easily convinced to follow a strong alpha demagogue.
[1] Before someone decides to show off just how immensely clever they are by pointing out that Saved! is about Baptist evangelicals, let me note that the Catholic church got there first by about a thousand years.
Again, there just aren’t enough of them.
Oh yes there are. There are enough of them to get the job done. They and their “allies”. They speak up, they shame, etc. A vocal minority trumps a silent majority. Your chemtrail friend just doesn’t have a critical mass of sufficient allies like the other groups do. Tie chemtrails to BLM or Antifa or trannyism and the corporate scum will pander to chemtrails as well. As will every coworker, friend, and relative on the left or #NeverTrump “right” once the chemtrail cause is appropriately aligned.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! [deep breath] Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! [pant, pant… stop, I can’t breathe!]
Heheheh!
“The twentieth century is filled with middle-class white women Caring Very Deeply about Very Unfortunate People that aren’t anywhere near them, from victims of the demon rum to distended-belly Ethiopian orphans to AIDS patients. Whether all that caring actually helps anyone is irrelevant.”
In Bleak House, Dickens identified this as “Telescopic philanthropy”. Back in the 1850s.
–Bad News
WTP: I agree. Daniel Ream: You are mistaken. I’m sure that some people are merely panding to women but the problem is almost entirely due to leftists taking control of institutions.
stop, I can’t breathe
This particular error (messed up BGP setting) has also brought down entire Azure regions and a fair portion of Google’s public DNS infrastructure within the last year. I do this for a living, and despite “DevOps” and “configuration as code” being all the rage, the truth is that even the biggest, wealthiest web-based companies half-ass this stuff all the time.
There are enough of them to get the job done. They and their “allies”
That’s exactly what I said, WTP.
black people are entitled to riot and loot whenever they wish.
Note that “thug” is a term of praise, not condemnation, among ghetto blacks.
black people are entitled to riot and loot whenever they wish.
Because Attorney General Merrick Garland is too busy with America’s real terrorists
ccscientist:
Was it a giant high school, or did you go to a ‘gifted’ / ‘magnet’ school?
IQ distribution (by construction) is approximately normal, with a mean of 100 and StDev of 15. An IQ of 160 (4 sigmas) or better is expected once in (slightly over) 31,500 students, unless pre-selected – and even at that, it implies that the population they are selected from is ~32,000. I grew up in a reasonably sized suburb, but we had nowhere near a 32K student population, even taking (say) all the senior grades together. To get two would be extraordinary.
Exaggerating to make a point on the internet… well, that’s not nearly so extraordinary, is it?
Garland’s Gulags.
In other madness, tonight I googled a past employer’s name, figuring it might be a faster way of finding his Facebook page than that site’s own shitty search function. The man in question is as level-headed a human being as I have ever known, yet I can’t say I was really surprised to discover the results were a long list of headlines aimed at smearing him.
Look up Adam Newbold.
These are the times we are living in.
Take notes, there will be a quiz!
http://politicalhat.com/2021/10/04/genderfae-or-genderfloret/
Actually, I rather liked this guy. He’s not sour like most Wokesters. Seems a pleasant sort.
the problem is almost entirely due to leftists taking control of institutions
Institutions like, say, K-12 education and the HR/marketing departments of large corporations?
Cancel culture is just high school mean girls. You know this. Every other post on this blog confirms it.
Exaggerating to make a point on the internet… well, that’s not nearly so extraordinary, is it?
I’ll not dispute your numbers; however general distribution does not rule out clustering.
I went to a high school of only about 2K kids – but one of my friends left it partway into 11th grade to attend M.I.T. on full scholarship in late 1970. I haven’t any idea what his IQ tested at, but it certainly was well above 100.
To get two would be extraordinary.
Assuming the odds of a >160 IQ is 1 in 32,000, there are approximately 27,000 high schools in the U.S. serving approximately 15 million high school students. Which gives an average of something over 500 pupils per school, though Darleen attended a school of 2000 students.
Let’s assume students are equally distributed between schools (which they aren’t), that the gifted students are evenly distributed about the population (which they aren’t), evenly distributed amongst schools (which they aren’t) and that the probability of additional gifted students is independent (which it isn’t)
The the U.S. high school population will yield about 500 “gifted” students distributed between 27000 schools.
The odds of a school having no gifteds are [(26999/27000)^500] ~ 0.9817 – about 26504.6 schools.
The odds of a school having precisely 1 gifted are [500*((1/27000)*(26999/27000)^499)] ~ 0.018 – about 490.8 schools.
Giving about 5 U.S. schools with 2 or more gifteds.
Your definition of extraordinary may vary.
She’s tired of catering to your feelings.
Lefties project.
Lefties project.
Well, the oblivious inversion does catch the eye.
Our Queen of Sorrow says,
And so, you have to wonder what the imagined solution is, the one to which we aren’t made privy. Are checkout staff everywhere supposed to ignore the obvious fact that ‘Arthur’ is female, and presents herself as female, with female clothing and hair? Should checkout staff and waitresses, and everyone working in retail, everywhere, somehow just know to pretend that ‘Arthur’ is something she isn’t? Do checkout staff and waitresses really have the time and wherewithal to fathom and indulge every single customer’s psychological quirks in advance of any interaction, even a routine greeting? Exactly how much of this lady’s psychological dissonance should be foisted on everyone else?
And would such an accommodation, this grandiose concession, set us on a path we want to be travelling down?
I’m kind of fascinated by that ‘you weren’t really gifted’ video. It’s an example of what I call ‘giving yourself over to an ideology’.
I mean, you might think that it’s sensible to direct some resources to children with particular talents and abilities, ensuring that the various diverse talents of different kids are able to grow to their full potential, right? It’s common sense.
The TikToker doesn’t even try to refute this common sense position. What she does do is roll off a bunch of leftist slogans with practised ease. It’s kinda dazzling – but it’s all a distraction.
I mean, rhetorically, there’s something amazing about it. She might believe it. Or it might be an act. You don’t know! But there’s certainly an element of acting involved, and she does the acting very well. It almost distracts your attention from the fundamental bullshittyness of her position.
Ideology warps your brain, your mind, and your soul. It’s no good, kids!
I mean, rhetorically, there’s something amazing about it.
Again, I think of these things as woke incantations. It’s a kind of status magic. The unrealism, incoherence and lack of probity are largely beside the point, at least from the perspective of the person doing the mouthing. These things aren’t said in good faith or to withstand scrutiny. Think of these creatures as archetypal Mean Girls loudly picking on a classmate with the wrong bag or unfashionable shoes, in the hope of boosting or defending their own in-group status. Only swap out the gratuitous nastiness about shoes for gratuitous nastiness about being precocious, or male, or white. Or just not being up to speed on this season’s woke fashions.
As a general rule, that’s the guts of the game, the basic dynamic.
And so, you have to wonder what the imagined solution is
Some kind of identifying mark or symbol affixed to their clothing I presume?
Or a nice hat?
I mean, rhetorically, there’s something amazing about it.
See also, wokeness as a positional good.
And so, you have to wonder what the imagined solution is
In the later decades of the Soviet Union–you know, the reformed, post-Stalin USSR that American liberals had so much sympathy for–professors and engineers would be fired from their jobs and would be assigned to stoke coal-fired furnaces in office and apartment buildings. Sound a bit familiar?
If you can stomach the cringe-inducing smug awfulness of Gloria Allred, the following exchange is revealing:
Rubin: “What lies under every progressive is a really, er sort of hysterical authoritarian.”
Allred: “Well that’s a sexist statement.”
Exactly why is that a sexist statement you might ask? Why because Allred is a woman. And any statement critical of an opinion or a position automatically becomes sexist when the person possessing that opinion or espousing that position is a woman.
Lefties project, you see.
Giving about 5 U.S. schools with 2 or more gifteds.
The other thing to consider is that giftedness does run in families. It is quite possible (and it happened in my very small high school), that there are two people with IQs over 160 from the same family.
“IQ distribution (by construction) is approximately normal, with a mean of 100 and StDev of 15. An IQ of 160 (4 sigmas) or better is expected once in (slightly over) 31,500 students, unless pre-selected”
The comment reminds me of the adage about getting a bridge hand and saying that because the odds of getting this particular bridge hand are so astronomically low, that I could not possible have this hand. Normal random distribution aside, given the large number of schools and subsets of students – is it possible to have 2 high IQ individuals? Of course. No need to doubt the story. In a reverse example: what are the odds that a school would have 2 mass murderers ? Yet we had Columbine.
is it possible to have 2 high IQ individuals? Of course. No need to doubt the story.
Example: I know two highly accomplished scientists who grew up on a small farm.
The odds thing is interesting. Yes the odds are low, but yes it still means it happened somewhere. It’s somewhat akin, though kind of in reverse…kind of…to the Monty Hall problem.
In the example of my high school, one guy had 160 IQ (scored #1 in state math olympiad) and the other 180+ (they could not really measure it). One grade apart. Not asian. I knew them both well. Neither turned out that well professionally. In the extreme tails of a distribution stats are only a guide.
But my point is that the woke seem to believe that whiteness will somehow enable you to score high on an IQ test, when that is a nonsense opinion.
I think I’m about as old as Darleen, and in my school days the typical school psychologist administered an IQ test where the scale topped out around 140, with everything above the threshold simply labeled “SMRT”. (Sorta like the nautical charts with “HERE BE DRAGONS” in the margins.)
I wouldn’t be surprised if the shrink just used “160” as shorthand for any student who performed extraordinarily well.
Subatomic physics will give one a whole new appreciation for long odds. Nothing like initiating two hundred billion collisions in an attempt to catch thirty events with your detectors…
what are the odds that a school would have 2 mass murderers ?
Well I can do that too, but the school “mass murder” statistics from the US are completely buried in hysterical disinformation. There’s an Education Week assessment of about 25 shootings per year. Then there’s Statista which has around 3 “active” shooter and between 20 to 100 “not active” shooter incidents a year, whatever they are.
Let’s go with 25. That would give us 500 since 2000, which using my calculations above would suggest about 5 schools experiencing 2 or more of these “shootings” since 2000.
If all schools were identical (which they aren’t) and murderous students randomly distributed (which they won’t be).
Obviously the fact of two murderers working together isn’t random at all and couldn’t be evaluated this way.
Heh. What G. Squid said. I was also suspicious that the numbers might have been rounded in such a way. The only IQ test I ever took was in 7th or 8th grade and they refused to tell us what our scores were. Because reasons. It would not surprise me that ballpark figures might be used or even altered in some manner. Whether this might be to protect the smart people or the dumb ones is an exercise left to the student.
It’s somewhat akin, though kind of in reverse…kind of…to the Monty Hall problem.
I suspect you’re thinking of the Birthday Problem which has a surprising answer because of the number of ways in which a likely birthday match accumulates with group size.
The Monty Hall Problem, though even more fascinating, is the one with the three doors and the goat.
My brother and I both tested >160 and were only a grade apart in age, so we were almost always at the same school. As Darleen and Karl have noted, clustering happens. There’s nothing extraordinary about it.
There’s also nothing extraordinary about a mean-spirited hot take turning out to be a full-on sprint onto a rake. No matter how tasty ankles look, it’s generally best not to run around trying to bite them.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the shrink just used “160” as shorthand for any student who performed extraordinarily well.
Having gone through a couple of “gifted child” programs in the 1980s-1990s, my observations are as follows:
* IQ tests on minor children are not reliable indicators of anything, as intelligence quotient is defined as “mental age/chronological age”. The small numbers involved and the high variability of child development means that a precocious child can score off the charts as a young teenager and settle down to a perfectly normal (pun intended) score by adulthood.
* Gifted programs are largely bullshit, or at least they were in my district. None of the “gifted” programs I went through taught me much of anything, and did not even serve to “keep the bright kids from getting bored and underperforming on tests”. One kid in my “gifted” classes got college-level math texts from a relative that he worked through on his own time. Said kid went on to become a moderately well-known software engineer at Microsoft/Facebook. The rest of us went on to be reasonably successful but not notable people.
* I scored IQ 132 at 15 years old and was one of the “slow” kids in the gifted program, which comprised over a dozen students in a school of ~1700. No, the gifted kids are not at all randomly distributed and invested parents will work to get their kids into a school with a reputation for supporting gifted kids. It’s actually less likely that you’ll have only one gifted kid in a large high school; you’ll either have none or many because they’re all getting concentrated in the schools with “gifted” programs.
XX chromosome=Female
XY chromosome=Male
Wanna deny science?
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/mit-abandons-its-mission-and-me
You’re going to have to speak up and speak out eventually. Why kick the can down the road to the point where you will only have made it even harder on yourself?
In passing, even M.I.T. has ceased to be a real university.
I suspect you’re thinking of the Birthday Problem
Actually more of a mashup of the two. The Monty Hall aspect being the “prior knowledge” factor.
Speaking of MIT, remember this?
This is the standard, apparently. What gets deemed good enough.
SNAP!
Again!
Heh. Darleen missed it by -> <- that much.
Dorian Abbot (from the links above): “I argued for the importance of treating each person as an individual worthy of dignity and respect.”
Fucking Racist!
WTP quotes Bari Weiss about campus intolerance and urges everyone to speak up. Note that Bari and spouse were forced out of the uni. The risk is real.