Somehow Overlooked
Some elaboration on an item from Friday’s Ephemera:
Liberals do this very weird thing where some deranged, violent criminal sticks a gun in your face and demands your wallet, but the wallet only has $20 in it, so from then on they’ll minimize the crime by describing it as, “stealing only $20.”
This is so fundamentally dishonest… https://t.co/fDj2uCk8m1
— wanye (@xwanyex) November 23, 2025
Readers will note the sly conceit that what matters, all that matters, is the sum being stolen this time, not the whole at knifepoint or gunpoint business – as if this lively means of cash extraction were some trivial detail, beneath acknowledgment. A thing with no informational content, no clues as to the character of the perpetrator, their fitness for a civilised world.
Those pointing to the smallness of the sum as if it were a significant mitigating factor don’t seem troubled by the implication that someone who will violate others, and threaten them with death, for a mere $20 is someone who will use very small incentives to behave in monstrous ways. Likewise, the implication that robbing people with only $20 to surrender is a matter of no import.
Indeed, one might note the underlying belief that the outrage and horror of being robbed at knifepoint or gunpoint – the degree of violation and moral injury, the amount of wrongness – depends only on the amount of cash you happened to have on you at the time.
Which, again, rather screws over people who don’t have a lot of money.
The chappie doing the pointing in this case is Brian Rosenwald, a scholar in residence at the University of Pennsylvania, a teacher of history and political science, a shaper of young minds. Mr Rosenwald objects to a three-strikes law whereby “you had people stealing $10 items and getting life sentences,” which he describes as a “disaster,” a series of “foolish, unjust outcomes.”
To which commenter John D replies,
There is, shall we say, some sleight-of-hand. And a now familiar flattening of values, a signature of progressive posturing. And so, as noted in the replies on X, histories of armed robbery, carjacking, assault and battery, serial sucker-punching and other vigorous activities, all horrific for the victims, are somehow reduced to “stealing $20.”
So hey, no biggie.
As noted here many, many times, progressives often have a wildly inaccurate conception of the criminal demographic and of the psychology and motives in play, as expressed by the criminals themselves. A conception so inaccurate, one might call it perverse.
Readers with a taste for corrective statistics regarding recidivism and motives will find much to widen the eyes here. Along with some striking illustrations of how a very large fraction of crime could be prevented by dealing decisively with a surprisingly small number of persistent offenders.
To concentrate, as Mr Rosenwald does, on the assumed triviality of the third strike, rather than the seriousness of the first two and the pattern of behaviour being vividly revealed, is quite the manoeuvre. As if the refusal to be law-abiding after repeated warnings of incarceration – and what might be deduced from that – couldn’t possibly be useful information.
It occurs to me that someone who, having been warned in the strongest terms that any further law-breaking will have severe consequences – and who nonetheless continues violating others, whether for trivial gains or for purposes of recreation – is someone unlikely ever to become a functional and trustworthy citizen, someone to be given, once again, benefit of the doubt.
Again, progressives as a class aren’t just wrong in some detail, some particular, some point misunderstood. The assumptions so often in play, the relentless contrivance, the defining mindset, are fundamentally, directionally wrong. There’s an air of perverse motivation.
Such that the law-abiding, including the many victims of these creatures, are expected to endorse an insane leniency, a grotesque forgiveness, on grounds that their own safety and expectations of justice should be rescinded in favour of giving an irredeemable sociopath another 56 chances to learn how to behave.
And so, we arrive at the implication that women, for instance, should resign themselves to a low-trust urban dystopia, and learn to accept the growing risk of being menaced and assaulted, or worse, on public transport, so that habitually criminal brutes can be given more chances to decide not to be habitually criminal brutes.
Because accommodating brutes, indulging them with more chances, is somehow better, fairer, more moral.
These are people whose every action screams “I am someone who cannot be trusted in a civilised society. I am dangerous and always will be. I will hurt people, for fun, because it amuses me, over and over again, until I am forcibly stopped.” And our analyst and scholar, our esteemed academic, says, ‘Oh, nonsense. Nothing to worry about. We can fix them.’
While having no idea how.
And when faced with an avalanche of pushback and factual correction, Mr Rosenwald, our statusful scholar and thinker of deep thoughts, simply waves his hands dismissively and says, “I could care less – I’m a historian. The research on three-strike laws is unambiguous. Who cares what people on here think?”

Before ascending to the heavens, like some higher being.
Pst314 adds,
And not just academia.
I’ve mentioned before an episode of the long-running comedy-quiz show QI, in which Stephen Fry and his celebrity panellists sneered at the three-strikes policy with much tutting and condescension.
Viewers were given the impression that otherwise harmless and adorable people were being incarcerated simply for stealing “nine videotapes” or a few boxes of cookies. The assorted luvvies seemed oddly incurious about the rather more serious crimes that must have occurred previously. Nor did they seem interested in having those who’d been incarcerated roaming free in their own neighbourhoods, carjacking their neighbours, or breaking into their homes.
None of the participants seemed keen to find themselves or their loved ones being robbed at knifepoint, or gunpoint, even for a modest sum.
But everyone congratulated themselves on being so lofty and enlightened. Not like those redneck Americans and their silly, punitive ideas. Expectations of punishment and public safety being so terribly déclassé.
A recurring theme of the QI series is to show how common assumptions are sometimes wrong or misleading. And so there was a certain unintended irony in seeing the left-of-centre politics of the host and panellists being affirmed by an omission of facts. An omission that could not plausibly have been an accident.
The same sleight-of-hand as practised by our indignant academic. In a show about the wrongness of things that are widely assumed.
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I denounce myself for racism and other thought crimes too numerous to mention.
Now pardon me while I get back to refueling the helicopters.
My friend is from S. Vietnam. Age 5 her family fled when the communists took over. Two weeks on a fishing boat with pirates threatening them several times (and not the cute, harmless Disney pirates either). Eventually she got to the US, penniless, and her family raised her to achieve. She is a tiger mom but in a really good way. Has a masters in engineering.
A Persian friend was abandoned by his parents at 16 and lived in his car in the US for 2 years and somehow put himself through medical school. Is a doctor now.
My grandfather died young and my grandmother took care of 2 kids as a secretary–both went to college back when that was a rare thing. My grandmother in her tiny apartment made sure her kids had manners and the apt was orderly.
My point is that I don’t want to hear about hardship as an excuse for crime. Hardship is not reserved for black people only.
“Liberalism” or progressivism or whatever euphemism we’re calling it today seems to be a concoction of two problems:
The first interferes with one’s ability to properly order cause and effect. Almost as if the liberal is looking at life through a mirror. Everything is detailed, but perfectly backwards. “Middle class” is an income level, not a set of behaviors that produce stability and productivity (and therefore a commensurate income).
The second is a performative ability to avoid thinking about, to warp, twist, excuse, or otherwise justify the mirror effect from the first.
The only thing I can’t figure out is the effect it seems to have on time. The mentality is positively Schrodingerian in its ability to hold two or more completely contradictory positions at the same time.
Often a diagnosis is keyed to a desired solution, especially when you’re dealing with politically motivated people and sociopaths (BIRM).
If you want Revolution, then you frame everything in terms of “the current system is causing these bad things.”
If low-class criminality or poverty were resolved sans Revolution, well, that takes away the political aspirant’s raisin tray, doesn’t it?
And we can’t have that.
Holy guacamole … in one of those rare moments of sanity in California, in the midst of a huge wave of crime in the 80s/90s, passed Three Strikes law in 1994.
And, of course, the Left wrung its hands over it as “unfair” .. there was the charge that one perp received 25 to life because, his third strike, was stealing a piece of pizza.
What is rarely revealed … the perp had a rap sheet a mile long with dozens of felonies AND this “just a piece of pizza” was taken from a child while threatening the kid.
Three Strikes was aimed at getting career criminals – especially the violent ones – removed from society.
That.
You might think, that perhaps someone might think of the consequences, I have strikes, do I really want to risk a 3d strike over a possibly empty wallet.
Except the reality its just the 3rd time they got caught while the number of offences might be in the 20’s or 100’s
“Despite warnings of what will happen if I do, I’ll still threaten to stab you for $20. I therefore deserve more chances.”
It’s an odd logic, really.
And then there’s the assumption that violent brutes should be spared being bricked up in a dungeon, even if the result is a low-trust dystopia being inflicted on everyone else. A world in which people are randomly punched or robbed or stabbed by ferals who’ve done it before many times. And who’ve been caught, and released, many times.
Because accommodating the brutes, indulging them with more chances, is somehow better, fairer, more moral.
Again, odd logic.
As Mr Burkett said during the thread on X:
Again, the failure to comprehend such things is… noteworthy.
Every. Time.
Well, it’s interesting how the reluctance to engage with substantive criticism and correction is in no way surprising. It’s practically a signature of the type. Ditto the assertion of status – “I’m a historian.”
See his amulet, see how it shines.
What happens if students in his class say the same things?
As someone says in the replies,
Sounds about right.
Luxury beliefs!
Well, it’s curious how the people who like to tell us, often and quite loudly, about how they’re so caring and altruistic are often the same people making elaborate excuses for criminal predation, i.e., profound and pathological selfishness.
Reportedly, young carjackers and armed robbers are saying in interviews that they don’t rob people because they’re poor: They admit that they’ve got money and they rob people because it’s fun.
[ Puts damp tea towel over typo klaxon. ]
[ Very slightly muffled klaxon. ]
What typo?
[ Innocent face. ]
Good question.
What’s more, it’s easy for a propagandist to condemn any system by pointing to its flaws, because everything in the real world has flaws. The promised utopia will be flawless, of course.
[ Quietly fixes typo in post. ]
By the way, the hosting service will be doing some server maintenance tomorrow morning, around 10am, so there may be some brief or intermittent downtime.
While America sleeps.
Is it?
It’s been demonstrated the number of crimes charged is a fraction of crimes committed, and charges are frequently downgraded so as to speed matters along, so the criminal banks on the odds being in their favour.
Not entirely unrelated.
Punishing the police officer for doing the right thing.
How long until officers are punished for yelling “Stop!” because it’s triggering to criminals?
I was a little snow blind from shovelling on a sunny day, but when I first read that, I thought pst314 was the higher being ascending.
[ Checks rock-salt bucket status, fetches binoculars, monitors skies. ]
They’re forecasting another polar vortex which means a cold winter and possibly lots of snow. I say possibly because if Lake Erie freezes over and parts of Lake Huron freeze then we could actually get less snow. We’ve already had three dumps of snow to end November.
We have 7°C and intermittent drizzle.
Do I win?
Is it cake?
Statistics are tricky things.
Let’s start with the allegation that leftists see crime as a force of nature, rather than human agency. So stipulated, but right-wing law-and-order types see justice as a force of nature, rather than as a result of human agency.
Showing that the same set of people are charged with large numbers of violent crimes does not mean that the same set of people are responsible for large numbers of violent crimes. That’s survivor bias, it ignores the agency of the police and prosecutors in choosing who to charge and prosecute. It also ignores the vast amount of violent crime that simply never goes reported. And as aelfheld pointed out, what someone is convicted of often bears little correlation to what they actually did, or even what they were initially charged with.
Lastly, three-strikes laws have the same Unintended Consequences as mandatory minimum sentence laws and shall-prosecute statutes: juries are notoriously reluctant to convict on charges that carry severe sentences, so these laws actually result in fewer defendants being convicted (and then incarcerated) than under the previous laws.
Same here. 45 Freedom (7.2 under Communism) but it “feels like” 37. Or 2.7 for you folks acrosst the Irony Pond. Please send cake.
Ooh, this. And not just the justice thingy.
True. But virtually impossible to measure. Certainly not with any reasonable expectation of accuracy.
Not comfortable with the three strikes thing for a number of reasons but unless/until (which really means never gonna happen) we have juries, and especially now judges, willing to apply the law in any manner approaching fair, I can’t see if we ultimately are worse or better off with or without them. I would give a slight edge to the damn-it-someone-is-going-to-prison effect over the reluctant jury thing, which I definitely agree is a thing. But it’s impossible to measure. Thinking of buying stock in the prison business tho. If that’s possible.
3°C in this part of Texas.
The McNamara Fallacy is assuming that what is easy to measure is important or relevant, and what is hard or impossible to measure is either not important or doesn’t exist. Both sides of the political aisle are prone to assuming that the data that they have is a suitable proxy for the data that they want.
I think it’s very likely that at small scales – a neighbourhood, a village, a city block – much of the violent crime will in fact be committed by a small number of repeat offenders, and incarcerating them will cause an immediate drop in the violent crime rate. I’m not convinced this applies over time or over larger areas, because creating a hole in the local underworld economy means creating instability and opportunity.
There’s very strong evidence that increasing the severity of sentences doesn’t deter crime generally but increasing the likelihood of getting caught does. If there’s a 75% chance you’ll get caught committing a crime and do 86-24 months in prison for it, rational actors won’t run the risk and low-IQ thugs will get arrested and imprisoned so often they’ll be de facto behind bars most of the time anyway.
Bezmenov tried to warn us.
Let’s try “18-24 months in prison” instead.
Granted, 86 months in prison would solve most recidivism.
So would hanging. Just saying.
Or, for some crimes, cut off his genitals.
Related: We need more dads like this
Moms, too. Indeed, if we had more effective parents (married to each other!) we might make a dent in crime, too.
I think I need to put in here just how Three Strikes works (at least in California while I worked in a DA office)
This is NOT 3 arrests or 3 convictions = life in prison. These are individuals with very lengthy rap sheets.
And let’s keep in mind, too, that those who are stridently against 3 strikes are the same people who are against incarceration for criminals — they feel “rehabilitation” is the only way and getting rid of 3 strikes means fewer prisons.
‘There’s nothing either about Joseph going on a stabbing spree […]’
Heh. So we’ve moved from Joseph & Mary as “immigrants” when they went to Bethlehem (they went for the Roman census) to Joseph, Mary & baby Jesus going to Egypt as “fleeing refugees”. Were they fleeing? Yes. Was it to a different nation? No, as Egypt at the time was part of the Roman Empire.
Kinda like 500K Californian’s have fled to other states.
What happens when “progressive minded people” are in charge.
Via this.
‘He has a point, but he’s too blunt.’
Too blunt?
If you’re robbed of twenty bucks, it’s no big deal because it’s only twenty bucks.
If you’re robbed of a million dollars, it’s no big deal because you had a million dollars, so who’s the real criminal?
This goes on my headstone.
While America sleeps.
I work 6-2:30 ET, so I’m up at 10AM GMT.