The Wellbeing Of Burglars
Lifted from the comments, an illustration of progressive ethics. Or, How dare you defend your home and loved ones from sociopathic intruders with long criminal histories:
An example of the kind of law that shifts me ever further from the Democratic Party. I am as opposed to this as it is possible to be opposed to anything. I find it abhorrent and suicidal. Almost religiously offensive. Laws like this create a society not worth caring about. https://t.co/4rqhiXFGYG
— wanye (@wanyeburkett) March 1, 2025
The bill’s sponsor, Rick Chavez Zbur, claims, “The bill’s goal is to prevent wannabe vigilantes… from provoking violence and then claiming self-defense after the fact.” Which suggests that finding intruders in your home, or breaking into your home, intent on thievery and God knows what else, is somehow not in itself an obvious provocation. Or a basis for vigorous self-defence.
Instead, the bill would oblige homeowners to “retreat” wherever possible, thereby reducing the risk of “force likely to cause death or great bodily injury” to the burglar or burglars, whose wellbeing is apparently a matter of great importance, if only to progressive lawmakers. This restriction is framed as a “safety” measure, albeit one that prioritises the safety of the criminal, who will presumably be enabled to continue his trajectory of repeated home invasion, but with reduced resistance and ever greater boldness.
But remember, wokeness is just about being compassionate.
Indeed, advocates of the bill claim that it “promotes racial justice.” Presumably, by giving extra chances, and extra leverage, to burglars who happen to be black. Because, well, magic blackness.
We’ve previously noted the progressive schtick of flattening values, such that predatory, habitual criminals and their victims, their numerous victims, are somehow equal in moral worth. As when “proud SJW” Zack Ford insisted that armed muggers who attack lone women at bus stops, and who do so while on probation, are every bit as valuable as their prey and should therefore not be endangered by any efforts by said women to resist them.
Likewise, when we were told – by Minneapolis City Council President Lisa Bender – that a dislike of having your home invaded by feral, malevolent predators, and having the lives of your family put in mortal danger, “comes from a place of privilege.” And that such violations are therefore by implication things we shouldn’t resist, and regarding which, even the thought of resisting is something we should feel bad about. On account of all that privilege.
Such are the convolutions of the progressive psyche.
Oh, and we mustn’t forget our ostentatiously agonised Guardian contributor Anna Spargo-Ryan, who wanted us to believe, all evidence to the contrary, that the gang of burglars who broke into her home in the middle of the night – the ones brandishing carving knives – are the real victims of the drama and should therefore be spared any meaningful consequence of their own chosen actions. Because, apparently, one should sympathise with the people breaking into one’s home and driving off with one’s stuff. In one’s own car.
However, it seems to me that the decision to forcibly violate someone’s home, generally at a time when the homeowner is at their most vulnerable, intent on predation and likely worse, and doing so for the umpteenth time, is precisely how you know that the intruder’s wellbeing is of very low importance. To assume that a home invader is anything less than an existential threat is, as seen in the links below, foolish in the extreme – and morally perverse.
It may be unkind – but it would not, I think, be unfair – to wish upon Mr Zbur and his fellow progressives some first-hand experience of the home-invasion scenarios that they would happily see others endure, passively and impotently, and sometimes not survive, supposedly in the name of “progress.” And fairness to burglars.
As Mr Burkett says in the X thread linked above, the level of moral wrongness is hard to overstate. It’s a mindset seemingly designed to devalue and demoralise the law-abiding, and according to which the law-abiding man must not presume to prioritise the safety of his loved ones, or himself, over the wellbeing of the sociopath violating his home. A sociopath who has almost certainly burgled others and who likely intends to burgle more, until forcibly stopped.
And contra our champions of progress, an obvious question comes to mind. If you wake to discover some conscienceless being with an extensive criminal history has broken into your home, violating an intimate and fundamental boundary, on what basis can you assume that no further, even fatal, boundary violations will occur? A lot is at stake, remember. And to make this jolly game a little more exciting, your heart is pounding, you’re still half-asleep, and you have but seconds to decide.
For readers curious as to exactly how much misery, fear, and social degradation a very small number of burglars can inflict on the world, on the better people around them, this item here may prove illuminating. In it, three prolific burglars, who between them had accumulated over 200 convictions, met their not-entirely-tragic end after colliding head-on with a lorry, while driving down the motorway at more than twice the speed limit, in the wrong direction, in a stolen BMW. Their fiery ceasing-to-be resulting in a rather significant drop in the local burglary rate.
An illustration, one of many, of how a very large fraction of crime could be prevented by dealing decisively with a surprisingly small number of persistent offenders.
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That.
Fun fact: Shooting burglars is a public good.
I laughed and I’m not sorry.
Well, it’s a reminder that conscienceless beings whose habits include burglary are unlikely to limit their anti-social impulses to only one sphere. In the case above, the burglars had found amusement in, among other things, mugging elderly couples and bedridden cancer patients.
When I still lived in Southern California, in the quaint hamlet of Santa Ana that had a demographic of about 98% Hispanic, police officers I knew advised me to (1) make sure the intruder was dead, and (2) if needed, drag the body inside. Also, a standard reply to “What was he doing when you shot him?” was “He was stepping towards me, saying, ‘Bitch, I’m going to kill you.'”
Totally. Wasn’t there a police chief who said that at a press conference?
Also the wellbeing of murderers and would-be murderers.
Criminals are, obviously, enemies of civilization.
But leftists are the deadlier enemies–and should be treated accordingly.
It’s the implicit conceit – the pernicious, insulting conceit – that our nice Mrs Wilson, two doors down, who doesn’t have much but is always friendly and obliging, is somehow interchangeable with – and of no more moral value than – the laughing ferals who trashed her tiny flat, nicked her pension, and pissed all over her carpets and furniture.
I mean, you say this stuff out loud…
Also from the archives: How Dare You Defend Yourselves.
Not much of a life sentence if he can be paroled after 10 years:
They should have been shot dead long before they could rack up 200 convictions.
As I said here:
There is an obvious calculation to be made. At some point, the deal ain’t worth shit.
Possibly, but that requires the victim surrendering who gets to make that decision to the criminal instead of making it herself. Needless to say, I wouldn’t want to leave that decision to the person holding me at knifepoint when I can simply decide that I live and he dies.
And then the state comes along and makes the victim responsible for the result of the encounter. Like the victim was some kind of an accomplice when what is really happening is the state is the accomplice. The state is intimidating the victim into accepting being a victim, hopefully just one time rather than additionally becoming a victim of the state later on. All this BS generates income for f****g lawyers. Y’all do understand that, yes? That is the real financial incentive driving it all.
Those who valorize predators over normies need to be regarded as predators themselves, taking deadly measures against us as surely as any invading horde of marauders.
We can’t afford to see them as merely misguided. They can’t be softy bleeding hearts who don’t understand the impact of their actions.
They’re a hostile force who is more than glad to see the population subdued by random thugs, thus to keep their own hands clean.
“Clean.”
. . . and those using their positions of power to protect and promote them.
Florida sheriff I think.
We often hear that a particular predator had X large number of convictions. Why was he free? Judges are to blame for this part of the problem. They have fallen for the “he is just like you and me, but oppressed” fallacy. A tiny number of criminals commit a huge % of all crime.
As to the “woman at a bus stop or train approached by a mugger”–what if he is intent on rape? How is she supposed to know? And of course, rapers may well kill their victim.
California Democrats are inadvertently going to make the three S’es great again.
Against my better judgment we watched a movie made in the 21st century last night, Kill The Irishman. I got suckered in because Val Kilmer and Christopher Walken were in it. Plus I enjoy mafia/mob movies because they tend to be so amoral such that they’re not as predictable and have less PC crap in them. I don’t care for the glorification of the mobster scene but some of that comes with the territory and I can overlook it (Donnie Brasco is probably one of the best film efforts at showing the mob for the scum that they are). This stupid movie had 4+ stars on Amazon, though I suppose they all do now. It seemed like the purpose of the film was to make a real life Irish mobster into some sort of folk hero who cared about his people, even to the point of how much cholesterol they were eating. F****g pathetic.
Again, it generates income for the f***g lawyers. Heh. I just now see that when I type f****g the word suggestion that follows is now ‘lawyers’. YMMV of course. Again, ropes and lampposts.
As a palette cleanser, here’s a dog pic. Her name is Lola. She’s not quite a show girl. But the squirrels don’t need to know that.
When they take you literally.
Not entirely unrelated.
Milie: Legal wokeism breeds violence.
Also the “we can fix him” fallacy.
Well . . . we can.
It runs about $175 at the vet’s office & includes a rabies shot.
Bonus.
For those who missed it, a trilogy of sorts – on crime, recidivism, and perverse leniency:
Part One.
Part Two.
Part Three.
Note also the aposematic blue hair.
On an uplifting note, Firefly Aerospace’s Blue Ghost has landed.
Note the rote recitation of talking points at odds with reality.
That might calm him down a bit. It’s worth a try.
It’s interesting how the “prison as therapy” delusion has taken over. At one time it was widely understood that the chief purpose of prison was (1) to put criminals where they cannot prey upon the public and (2) to instill fear in criminals. No evidence of efficacy was ever shown, but the delusion was largely advanced by sheer repetition. “House of Correction” my foot.
Lawyer here. Based on this stuff, the effect is to force a home-owner to have to prove up, as a legal defense, that the people who were breaking into his or her house, while he or she was in it, did really constitute a danger. Else, the homeowner goes to prison for whatever violence was used in defense. And you can bet some California DAs would love to charge homeowners who get home-invaded.
That a home invader is dangerous has always been assumed.
Well, it should be assumed.
Insta-lanche.
Fetch the good linens.
Define ‘good’.
Or we could just dim the lights.
Heh… grew up (preteen/teens) in Brea. And I’ve heard the same from cops from many different agencies for years.
I can imagine in the privacy of your home that would be difficult to prove. As a practical matter, would the homeowner be obligated to get stabbed or shot before defending themsleves?
Just a flesh wound.
Sometimes. Judges in CA have “sentencing guidelines” — say Felony “X” conviction exposes the perp to 2-5-10 years in state prison. They are constrained not just by that range but also whether or not (via probation report) if there’s is enough stuff in their background to sustain the 2 or 5 or 10 years sentence.
Where a lot of the issue of ‘early release’ comes in is from parole boards. If you remember Los Angeles DA George Gascon (part of Soro’s march through DA offices nationwide), one of the first things he did was ban the DA office from sending any dda’s to parole board hearings — essentially cutting out any opposition to early release being presented by the victims’ advocate.
And sentencing guidelines came about because of scandals of some judges going widely out of what reasonable people would consider an appropriate sentence — either too light or too harsh.
:::sigh:::
Idaho, where I live, is a Constitutional Carry state — meaning concealed or open carry are allowed to any resident allowed to have a gun, where allowed means having passed a background check.
Idaho is a Castle Doctrine and Stand your Ground state.
There are lots of guns here — I don’t know anyone who doesn’t own at least one.
Of course, that means the streets are running in blood, with vigilantes traveling in herds. Wait. What? Idaho has the third lowest gun homicide rate in the US?
In comparison, California has one-quarter as many homes with guns, yet more than three times the rate of gun homicides.
It’s almost like guns aren’t the problem.
Crazy talk, I know.
So the fact that the NFL, NBA, MLB, et al, have no female players is only proof of discrimination?
Knife-wielding perp tries stabbing two people, off-duty LEO shoots perp dead. Boston mayor offers condolences to … wait for it …
family of the perp.
Very much related.
And then another member of her administration inarticulately offers condolences to both the family and the perp himself.
And put on some music.
[ Opens fridge, peers inside. ]
Ooh, leftover cherry pie. And custard.
Score.
Yes. Women being underrepresented in sports, Tech, STEM, high paying services jobs, can only be due to discrimination, and the fact that they are <50% is by itself proof of discrimination, with no other evidence.
However, > 50% women in medicine, media, non STEM university courses, govt jobs, is because they are awesome and simply better.
Note how the majority of supporters of trans are college educated women, while it fell to men to vote for a candidate who, while being vilified by the college educated women, would step in to ensure women’s sports are protected.
Should have just said she was trans.
It’s a silly niche, but you’d be surprised who believes this. I dabbled in HEMA/HACA back in the day and I used to still hang around the fringe a bit until I started hearing people seriously say that women were just as good at HEMA as men because two or three of the “champions” were women. When I pointed out that there are about as many people in HEMA as there are in the Australia/New Zealand break dancing community, that fencing has been sex-segregated forever for good reason, and that the men are visibly holding back when paired with a female opponent, I got a lot of squawking about patriarchy and institutionalized misogyny. When I suggested they could prove one way or the other by offering a $50,000 prize for the HEMA championships and requiring everyone to fight in full masks and PPE so you can’t tell the sex of your opponent, I was booted from the fora.
The devil you say.
I am truly chagrined at the thought that maybe Teh Patriarchy had a good reason for asserting itself throughout time.
Wayne’s right, again:
Yes. Women being underrepresented in sports, Tech, STEM, high paying services jobs, can only be due to discrimination, and the fact that they are <50% is by itself proof of discrimination, with no other evidence.
However, > 50% women in medicine, media, non STEM university courses, govt jobs, is because they are awesome and simply better.
Women are as good as men at what men are good at, and better at everything else.
It’s the Science.
Women are just as strong and fast as men, you say? I saw a chart of grip strength vs age for men and women. The two clouds of data do not even overlap. Every man of any age up to 70 has greater grip strength than any woman of any age. Throwing a baseball? Pretty much the same. Punching? Same. It has been observed that pro female basketball players can’t even dunk.
Just had my house painted. The two young jr. painters (sons of the contractor) moved our bookcases and china cabinet without emptying them. Just 2 ordinary guys.
Observing lots of humanity, it seems to me that the female olympians (e.g., running) are more outliers compared to the average female than the men are. That is, they are farther above the average woman than top males are above the average male. Just intuition. If true, you can’t use those extreme individuals to compare the groups.
To be clear, this has nothing to do with inherent worth. But don’t blow smoke up my butt and for sure don’t claim that female fire fighters who can’t handle a fire hose or carry an injured person are “just as good”, or ignore the diminutive female Secret Service agent “trying” to protect Trump when he got shot.
Women can/are excellent in [physically based] sports in their lane. Every matchup between male/female where the female ‘bests’ the male has never involved equal matchups. The top-rated tennis ladies, The Williams, were both beat, same day back to back matches, by a male who ranked about 200. And I dare anyone say those sisters weren’t raised with ‘equal opportunity’ of being coached like a boy their age.
Coaching only takes skill so far. At the risk of repeating a story I’m sure I shared some time in the past … look at the upbringing and background of Ann Meyers Drysdale. You couldn’t ask for better genes and upbringing of being immersed in sports. And she exceeded all female peers growing up.
Her dad had been a pro-basketball player. Her older brother, Dave, was a star through high school, college & pros. The kids in that family played together just as competitively as anyone. What better practice for her? And yet, push come to shove and when she actually had a chance to play for a pro NBA team – Indiana Pacers – after 3-day trials, she couldn’t make the team.
I went to school with these two. Dave one year ahead of me, Ann two behind. They were very gifted athletes. But only Dave made the NBA pros.
Something apropos just popped up in the news.
Remember the Highland Park parade shooting, which left 7 dead and dozens wounded even paralyzed? The mother of the killer is now raging that her son is innocent. Now people across America are speculating how much she has to do with her son’s criminal insanity.
Very good meme.
“Miss Carney takes interest in helping students navigate their sexuality.”
Just look at her: Cluster B glasses, Cluster B attitude. “He has no free will to make his own choices, and he has never had any outside help. They regulate everything. He has been a prisoner and this is wrong.”
“Miss Carney takes interest in helping students navigate their sexuality.”
Wow.
The female teacher forms an inappropriate relationship with a female student, they exchange 20,000 texts, they take steps to declare the student homeless so that she can move in with the teacher, everyone at the school including the principle knows and doesn’t care, and the mom finds out only by accident.
The teacher is fired, but it takes 2 years to take away her license. And then when the teen turns 18, she moves out of state with the teacher.
Yes, I’m sure its twuoo wuv rather than a psychotic obsession. These things always turn out so well.
They asked the right question. “Do you think the principal would have reacted differently if Kearney had been a man?” It’s not the lesbian angle, it’s the fact that she’s a woman. Female teachers who rape their students are rarely caught and the sentences they receive are ludicrously light. (This is true for all crimes, though). This story is lurid because of the lesbian angle, but it has nothing to do with the lenient response.
It’s entirely possible to admire and respect women like R. Adm Grace Hopper or the Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher while acknowledging that in the main there is an issue with granting them the political franchise. I don’t know how to square that particular circle. I suspect making voting contingent on two years Federal Service might be a fair compromise.
The result, as here in the UK, is a social climate in which the law-abiding are very often frightened of defending themselves and their loved ones, and their property. Not just because of the normal physical hazards, but because of what they fear may happen to them afterwards, in court, if they do what is right.
The word perverse barely covers it.
I’ve had conversations with people who’d been victims of brazen, daylight crime – maddening crime – and who became very anxious at any suggestion of harm being inflicted on the criminals. The very idea of defending oneself and one’s property made them twitchy. They had, it seems, internalised this pernicious ethos, in which they, the law-abiding, are essentially prey.
And so, if two conscienceless beings vandalise your car and steal its catalytic converter, in broad daylight, while it’s parked right outside your house, or if such creatures steal your bike from your garage, again in broad daylight, or break into your mother’s home and strip it of valuables, this is something you can be upset about, briefly and impotently, and with no expectation of justice, provided you don’t entertain thoughts of physically inhibiting the vermin who violate your boundaries and the boundaries of your neighbours.
And who will go on doing so, to many other people, until physically stopped.
Not uncommonly, any anger at such violations may instead be directed at those who suggest a less tolerant approach. Say, by suggesting that impotent resignation to victim status is not a healthy thing, and that by thieving and burgling, over and over again, the criminal is sending an obvious message as to the very low importance of their own wellbeing.
Such statements can arouse great agitation and resentment. As if the person who thinks you matter, not the predators who think you don’t, were the problem, the source of woe.
It’s a weird phenomenon.
Since we were speaking of unpunished crimes, here are two videos dumping on the live-action Snow White:
https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1896602931052609995
Look at how that muppet walks!
https://x.com/JasonTPA/status/1896644681397837949
On the subject of which.
<places pillow over stain….>
[ Surveys upholstery. ]
We’re going to need more pillows. Or several broadsheet newspapers.
Bookmark needed. The weather is starting to turn and it feels good to have some sun and warmth.
Just returned from a stroll around the nearby park and a visit to the park’s café, which does a pretty good cheese toastie. As I was chomping my brunch, a lady came in with what appeared to be the world’s largest, softest Labrador. While the lady was distracted ordering a drink, the Labrador came over and sat, very politely, by me, looking with great interest at the remains of my cheese toastie. We exchanged a meaningful look.
His owner was embarrassed by this very polite begging, and needlessly apologetic, so, alas, he didn’t get a bite. I did, however, give him some compensatory fuss.
Of course it’s California. It’s always California.
This is the same state that turned off safety cameras on subway platforms due to racism, because they were recording too many incidents of favoured minorities attacking caucasians, and officials were concerned people might start to get the right idea.
iirc he had a couple of pints of lager for lunch before the match as well.
I’ve had conversations with people, conservative…”conservative” law-and-order types. Vegan/cyclist/yoga type gun owners. By that I mean you know they are gun owners because it comes out in casual conversations that have nothing to do with guns. Also with cops. These conversations have been in regard to not just George Zimmerman, but Kyle Rittenhouse and others. Overwhelmingly these people at best become twitchy but most of them are just clearly derisive about how these situations actually go down.
Belgians on parade. Putin is gotta be shaking in his boots.
No, the story is lurid because of the acquiescence & encouragement of those specifically tasked with safeguarding children in their care from this sort of exploitation.
Who designed their camouflage? Lilly Pulitzer?
Well, Europe? You have imported millions of military-aged men lately. Maybe it’s time you used them?
Konstantin agrees.
Those women and their serial crimes, amirite guys?
The entire wiki article fails to mention a certain thing.
Which always fills one with confidence.
Still chuckling at the enormous, very polite dog from the café, upthread.
[…] now studying at UConn […]
Give him a fixed abode–six feet under. Make sure all his friends and relatives know.
He’s forgot which faith to defend.
[ Makes note to visit café again tomorrow. ]
You will own nothing and eat bugs. And be reassured Your Betters will have the best views possible.
You don’t hate your “Betters” enough. You think you do, but you don’t.
The well being of men pretending to be women, unless they can play women’s sportsball – “…make no mistake…it’s genocide.”
That makes my blood boil. They’re doing the same thing to farmers in Europe and Britain: kicking them off their lands under the pretext of environmentalism, but it’s really just the strong seizing the property of the weak.
May they all burn in hell as soon as possible.
Unlike street thugs who never pretend that they’re doing it for your own good.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
It is the hot new word for 2025, all the cool kids are using it, no cap.
I see no reason to burden the staff of Hell, not when we have lots & lots of tinder to hand courtesy of Newsom & Co.
There is some comfort in knowing the decision to stop donating to Nature Conservancy was correct.
People who need to be removed from society.
Corporal punishment can be extremely effective at communicating a message.
There was a time when this sort of crime would have earned execution.
Toss him & his henchmen after the ottoman. They should be shown the same consideration they show for others.
Let the punishment fit the crime – toss him off the same balcony.
I can now see why older societies used the death penalty so much.
“We’re done with you,” is basically the attitude. They didn’t want to futz around with caring for them in jail or rotating them through the justice system infinity times. They just didn’t have time for psychopaths.
Fliszt.
Borge was da bomb.
I was recently in the London-Oxford-Devon Area. I was struck by how well the entire region seemed to be maintained as if a park for the well-heeled. A glance at A map suggested that an enormous region centered on London was being designated as a nature preserve for the enjoyment of the local and imported wealthy.