The Bleeding Unobvious
And in radical menstruation news:
I suspect sharp-eyed readers can guess where this is going.
Readers may wish to ponder whether listing special sex-based requirements – taking time off work, every month, for days, and still expecting to be paid, for instance – is the ideal basis for asserting the obviousness of workplace gender equality.
I’m also unclear on how gender equality, a term used many times, is bolstered by the belief that menstruating women may in fact be men – and the implication that men can also become women and can therefore barge into previously female-only spaces.
The crucial signal, I’d suggest, is that the author, Meaghan Furlano, is willing to pretend that menstruating women are somehow not women and are in fact men. One might call that lying. And referring to women as “menstruators,” as if this were a breakthrough and a basis for applause, does not immediately evoke equality or respect.
A shocking twist. How very daring.
Who are all women. Hence the menstruation.
What those “hetero-sexist beliefs” might be remains, rather oddly, a thing of mystery. Few details are forthcoming. They are, however, “deeply concerning.” And I’m inclined to wonder whose responsibility it should be, if not the adult woman concerned, to manage menstruation.
Ms Furlano, a PhD Sociology student at Western University, and “a scholar of feminist media,” goes on to list the special things that must be done by all employers in order to accommodate “menstruating workers.” These menstruating workers who aren’t necessarily women, remember, and while stressing the importance of gender equality, including the equality of made-up genders, and while expressing dissatisfaction with efforts to comply:
I don’t know about taboo. Indeed, menstruation seems a loudly aired fixation of, for instance, scholars of feminist media. It’s practically a credential, a merit badge, all but obligatory. As for shameful and secretive, I can only suggest that most of us probably don’t care to know in any great detail about how you’re bleeding from your genitals.
All well and good, I suppose. But none of this seems obviously supportive of some unassailable claim of gender equality. It’s a list of costs and possible inconveniences.
No laughing at the back. The P-word was inevitable. Also, menstruators.
Ah, educational correction. Another cost.
And it seems to me a little odd to bemoan the idea that menstruation may, for some, have medical connotations while simultaneously expecting days off work, every month, due to being disabled by the very same phenomenon. Those “painful menstrual cycle-related symptoms or illnesses,” to which Ms Furlano refers. If periods leave a woman agonised and unable to work, for days, every month, this may signal some underlying issue – say, endometriosis or some auto-immune disorder. And a visit to the doctor may be in order.
Again, and let me stress this, most of us don’t want to know about the stains in your underwear. It’s not the kind of information that many of us crave. And at risk of being damned for my “hetero-sexist beliefs,” I suspect that many women are quite happy not to draw attention to their menstrual status. Also known as the expulsion of waste product. It being, for the most part, no other bugger’s business.
I can’t recall ever being offended by the visibility of a box of tampons, and these repeated claims of some egregious, crushing stigma seem to be teetering on a pinhead. The customary expectation of some minimal discretion – analogous to not announcing every bowel movement – does not strike me as a Big Ask, or a basis for victimhood.
Or for “a powerful feminist intervention,” “a radical transformation and physical restructuring of workplaces,” with continual monitoring and “interrogation,” as Ms Furlano demands.
Via Jonathan Kay.
When did we decide that discretion was a dirty word? Also privacy?
So. Much. That.
Also “menstruators” can fuck off.
Well, the apparent need to loudly foreground a possibly tiresome but fairly unremarkable biological function, to make it a massive thing – entailing “a radical transformation and physical restructuring of workplaces,” with continual monitoring and “interrogation” – does seem, to me, a little weird.
And the convolutions around the sex of the people having periods doesn’t exactly diminish the air of contrivance.
In other news, I WILL BE AWAY FROM MY DESK WHILE I TAKE A SHIT.
I prefer my ‘menstrual status’ concealed thank you very much.
Yes, but that sounds terribly hetero-sexist. You’re obviously being oppressed. We all need to know whether you’re preventing leaks.
Photos may be required. Or at least a good drawing.
We don’t hate them enough.
I don’t know about taboo.
Seriously? The topic is so taboo that ads for pads and tampons are banned from TV, radio, magazines, and all other media, any mention of menstruation is censored from TV or movies.
Every grocery, drug store, and convenience store that sells pads, tampons, or other products is required by law to keep them locked in a separate space in the back, and when you buy them they are put inside a false container, such as a cereal box, so nobody in the front of the store sees them.
Midol™ and similar analgesics can only be purchased with a prescription from a board certified OB/GYN with a DEA registration. In the US&A, giving one to a fellow uterus haver is punishable by up to a $10,000 fine or up to five years imprisonment
I think the problem is that, in order to assert and maintain their own in-group status, their imagined superiority, many of Our Betters feel obliged to mouth the most obvious bollocks.
They seem to feel a need to say things that are dubious, incoherent or absurd, even self-refuting. But for them, incoherence and absurdity don’t appear to matter much. What matters, I suspect, is that their pronouncements will not be confused with the opinions of their supposed inferiors, whose more mundane perceptions must be visibly disdained.
It’s a phenomenon touched on in the later paragraphs here.
Related: women who wear pussy hats.
And yet we’re expected to believe that the fact that menstruation isn’t an obvious topic of loud and very public workplace discussion – not that it’s forbidden, mind, merely discreet – is somehow oppressive, a crushing injustice. Evidence of “hetero-sexist beliefs” and the unbearable downtroddenness of women.
Some of whom are men.
When one pays attention to what these women say and do, it seems fairly obvious that not only are they not oppressed by social norms of reticence, but rather that they are bullies loudly violating such customs in order to harass and humiliate others.
Also: The more absurd the pronouncements which normal people must silently accept, the greater the humiliation.
Nor are we as intolerant as we should be.
Look, for the most part, what’s a week or so per month? I mean they’re women and really don’t do much of anything important at work anyway. Right?
[ Dons body armor, MOPP gear. Edges away from Mike. ]
Sigh. So tired of this shit.
It does have a wearying quality, not least because there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of this generic arse.
Reading the whole thing is a pretty dulling experience. The sheer poverty of imagination, of originality. The begged questions, the mouthing of utter bollocks, the transparently untrue. The lack of anything suggesting autonomous mental activity.
Band name.
Heh.
Step 1: Feminists denounce lack of female firefighters.
Step 2: Standards are lowered to admit unqualified women.*
Step 3: Unqualified men “change gender” to qualify.
* While simultaneously feminists insist that standards are not being lowered.
About those lowered standards….
Well, if they care to maintain their standing among the elect they are so obliged.
Ooh. Haircut in 30 minutes. Begin countdown.
[ Low hum. ]
Hope Santa brings a new overcoat.
Heh. Rather depends on whether your haircuts are tiresome and unremarkable.
[ Hum intensifies, red light starts blinking. ]
Heh. I’m reminded of one particularly bitchy female who was my lead for a brief time. I was away from my desk for a few minutes and when I returned, she demanded to know where I was. I replied I had to use the bathroom. She texted back with “TMI! TMI!”
As someone who “was there” when women first entered the professional work force in significant numbers, I was taken in by the equality thing. Of course I grew up with girls/women in my classes, taking serious math/science/etc. courses, even in moderately competitive sports like swimming and running where the best girls are often on par with the middling boys for a few years. I would kind of smile when my father (retired engineer but also later real estate broker) asked how I could work for a woman, how does that even work? By the middle of my career, once the “glass ceiling” was significantly cracked and the not-exactly-cream-of-the-crop was seeping through, I realized what he was saying. We let our guard down. Women have way, way too much power in business and in government. They are destroying civilization from the inside in ways that very few people even want to understand.
I’m not saying that it was a total mistake to let women in. One observation I pointed out to a few guys and they heartily agreed was that any meeting (of engineers anyway) should contain at least one, at most two women. It keeps the men civilized and even somewhat focused on being their best while moderating the dick measuring. But you get one more woman in there, or give a woman the power of controlling the meeting and you are asking for trouble.
OK, a straying (leaking?) off the topic of menstruation in the workplace but if we had just kept an eye on what was happening, we would be talking plugs and fluids right now either.
Many years ago I read a passing mention of an “art” play in which the characters appeared on stage sitting on toilets and occasionally retired to private cubicles to eat. This was, it seems, “challenging” and “thought provoking”.
Heh. Or possibly addition by subtraction? I’ll burn my own damn coat, TYVM.
Re: Jordan Neely/Daniel Penny: This seems accurate and pertinent:
Many of the clueless liberals/progressives/leftists I knew in college went to very nice high schools in wealthy suburbs–sometimes even private schools with lots of advanced placement classes and no low-intelligence slum-dwelling students. My experiences at a public school with its share of lowlifes gave me an education that those suburban kids never got.
Current mood.
Old lady here again … “that time of the month” wasn’t a topic for casual office discussion because we women of eras past wanted to make sure our co-workers and bosses knew we were just as capable of doing our jobs dependably and well at anytime of the month. That we were NOT of the catty stereotype of women “on the rag” who either flew into irrational rages or took to our fainting couch for 3-5 days a month.
We’ve not only wimpized our men, but women, too.
Ladies, take your sick leave or vacation time or PTO or whatever your employer offers if you’re feeling too ill to come to work. Talk to BFF or doctor about your female issues.
Otherwise, STFU. The whining isn’t helping.
I remember seeing that funny article about some backward Middle East guys laughing about the possibility of women leaders – “what are they going to during that week of the month, ha ha” was the gist of it.
Somehow, as we see blasphemy laws and the right to marry first cousins being discussed in our parliament, things have got funnier on our side of the world.
[ Slides dish of intriguing savouries towards Darleen. ]
In some African villages, menstruating women are relegated to special huts. This is probably the only place in the world where women are “pushed out” of anything. Certainly not in the West. Being given medical leave is NOT being “pushed out”.
The feminism uncertainty principle is that women are exactly the same as men except when special provision is required (such as during periods). Such special provision can never be construed as weakness nor as a privilege. I know, hard to keep it straight.
I would imagine some women, the non-prog variety especially, might be a little put out by being called “menstruators” as if that summarizes their life.
The term doesn’t immediately evoke equality or respect.
And it occurs to me that of the kinds of women who invite questions as to the wisdom of employing them, scholars of feminist media who demand “a radical transformation and physical restructuring of workplaces,” would be pretty high on the list.
[ Resumes decorating of Christmas tree. ]
WTF does not leaving bloodstains everywhere have to do with being oppressed?? Blood is hard to launder out – I wouldn’t want my clothing ruined, and I’m sure my employer wouldn’t want their upholstery ruined either. Good grief.
Although these are the same people who think shitting in the street is to be protected, so maybe blood on the chair, crap on the carpet are all probably things the rest of us have to get used to I guess.
Interesting also how the crowd that is so frightened of Teh Patriarchy also can’t say Woman or Female, even when talking about things only females of the species experience.
To be fair, it does have an impact on everybody. Unless you’ve never been around a woman with PMS.
I’ll escort myself to the re-grooving chamber.
I saw that first sentence and immediately thought of the mikvah.
Isn’t that true of some tribal cultures in South America? Or is my memory confused?
Just saw a news item about yet another rap “musician” in serious trouble with the law. His stage name? Yung Filly. Has anyone told him that a filly is a young female horse? Or, in old slang, a sexually attractive young woman? [ Recalls ghetto girls named “Latrina”. ]
Relative workplace productivity by sex is one of those third rail topics in research, like the heritability of IQ, bell curves, and ROI of diversity in corporations.
I know virtually nothing about it.
The female IQ bell curve is narrower than the male bell curve, which means fewer female than male morons and geniuses.
Women conform, men rebel. Film at 11.
Instalanche.
Well, there was.
OMG this.
Once upon a time, sexist men opposed women entering the workplace because women are hysterical and a distraction and they’ve got that monthly thing and God knows what other horrors they’ll introduce.
And this generation of women is actually leaning in to the stereotypes. Bringing them into being. ::headdesk::
Ladies, here’s the thing: It’s human waste. It should be dealt with discreetly and hygienically. No celebrations, please.
It’s gotta be a Cluster B thing to deal with one’s own waste the same as you did at age 2. Smear it on the walls. Take a dump on someone’s bed out of spite. Make a public issue of it all. Stash a skein of yarn where the sun don’t shine and knit in public.
I really hate this timeline.
[ Strokes hair. ]
[ Rolls single complimentary peanut along bar to dicentra. ]
You may want to blow the fluff off first.
[Watches it roll off the edge of the bar and bounce near the baseboards, where it’s snatched by a swift mouse, who squeezes into an impossibly small crevice.]
Ah well. I accept it in the spirit intended.
[ Rummages in bin liner for more peanuts. ]
Good for her! There’s nothing wrong with playing the system to your advantage when it’s been intentionally stacked against you.
Did you fail to read the linked article? The system was not “intentionally stacked against him”. He was unqualified based on traditional and appropriate standards. I certainly do not want unqualified and under-qualified firefighters.
I read it. They had 126 spaces and gave women a boost of a hundred people in the selection process. That’s a system that’s intentionally stacked against
himher and the other men.As the people in charge of the process clearly don’t care if they let in unqualified and under-qualified firefighters then why should he? As all integrity that was in the process has already been thrown out why not just play the system to get what he wants?
I may be late to the party, but most employers have sick leave/sick day/personal leave/vacation policies that cover issues that are the employee’s prerogative to use as the employee’s needs require. The employer having no interest to manage said leave, they simply allocate a number a days per year for the sum total of paid and unpaid absences from work. How it is used it is up to the employee. There is no need to micromanage employees use of the benefits side of their compensation package.
Because every unqualified firefighter endangers the citizens who depend on them.
Sure, but that’s the responsibility of the people who are making decisions designed to hire more unqualified women. If they’ve already decided to hire unqualified firefighters it makes no difference if those firefighters are women, or men taking advantage of lax gender rules.
If anything more men exploiting those rules will increase the overall standard of firefighters.
So men who know they’re unqualified should rush to apply, with zero qualms of conscience.
But they’re not unqualified; they’re just as qualified as the women who are being accepted.
If the only reason they’re not getting in while others are is because of a sexist rule then they should have zero qualms of conscious for exploiting the rules. It’s not immoral to break immoral rules.
@Adiabat: You’re still missing the point.
It’s ****REQUIRED**** I tells you!
The Conversation is “independent” in the sense that it’s two steps removed from the Australian Labor Party.
Which is why it’s like an even slower-witted version of the Grauniad.