Further to the recent, eye-widening exchange between Jordan Peterson and Cathy Newman, Conor Friedersdorf on scandalous paraphrasing:
In the interview, Newman relies on this technique [of perverse rephrasing] to a remarkable extent, making it a useful illustration of a much broader pernicious trend. Peterson was not evasive or unwilling to be clear about his meaning. And Newman’s exaggerated restatements of his views mostly led viewers astray, not closer to the truth… One of the most important things this interview illustrates — one reason it is worth noting at length — is how Newman repeatedly poses as if she is holding a controversialist accountable, when in fact, for the duration of the interview, it is she that is “stirring things up” and “whipping people into a state of anger.”
Fabian Tassano on “critical thinking”:
It is interesting that the scholars feel able to announce in advance, on behalf of their own students, and the students of other history tutors at Oxford, a decision on whether students will engage with the [Ethics and Empire] project. One might think that the ability to “think critically” would include openness to ideas from heterodox perspectives, as well as the capacity to decide for oneself, independently of one’s tutors, whether a source of information is worthy of consideration. One has to remember, however, that the word “critical” may have a special technical meaning in the context of the humanities.
Via Claire Lehmann, Kerryn Pholi on Aboriginal taboos:
Those who mourn the demise of Aboriginal culture almost always regard things from the viewpoint of the men, who were indeed dispossessed of their land, and subsequently their traditions and status. Land wasn’t the only item of property they lost, however. They also lost or traded their women to the settlers, and this absorption – along with frontier warfare and disease – rapidly eroded tribal structures and doomed Aboriginal traditions to obsolescence. The settlers arrived with a wealth of goods and a shortage of females, and they were generally less enthusiastic about beating women than was customary in Aboriginal culture… The men lost a lot in the invasion, while the women had little to lose and plenty to gain.
And Joe Katzman on leftism as a never-ending status game:
Do you have any doubt about the left’s hatred for those who will not stay in their assigned status? Have you noticed their quickness to turn on their own allies? Fail to follow the latest fad, and your status is demoted. Perhaps you’ve noticed that endlessly callous virtue signalling is the identifying badge of our modern try-hard Striver Class. Maybe that’s because American public education is now a 20-year Milgram Experiment, where the meta-message inside political correctness is to override your own judgement, in favour of deliberately-shifting judgements from people with higher status. These aren’t accidents. They’re clues.
Very much related, the second item here.
As usual, feel free to share your own links and snippets, on any subject, in the comments.
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I hope that at some point Jane Goodall got a set for her birthday; long ago she did an interview where she said something to the effect that as a child she pretended to be Mrs. Tarzan and lived in the jungle talking to all the animals “ but the blighter married the wrong Jane,” or words to that effect.
50 questions to determine the size of your vocabulary:
Online English Vocabulary Size Test
I suppose it relies on some sort of statistical calculation to arrive at the score. Mine was 30,500. I don’t know, I don’t think I’m so very erudite, verbose, loquacious, or sesquipedalian.
I gotted 29,975 so I is dumberer than Monty.
“Some people have a way with words, and other people…oh, uh, not have way.”
― Steve Martin
30,150. According to that test I am qualified to just make up words as I please. I haven’t noticed a shortcoming of vocabulary ever stopping anyone, though.
sesquipedalian
For the sake of the woman in your life, I should hope not.
30325 – mostly due to doing the quick crossword I’m guessing. I’m a school dropout so it ain’t education that got me there. Could Monty be our mosted wordy learned contributor?
I keep wondering why people try to spread western values to the Middle East and Africa. It’s pretty obvious they don’t want them. And the ones that do try their best to emigrate I imagine. That’s the only place I take exception with the linked article. Surely some immigrants are keen to adopt western society and get out of the place they’re in. The trick is knowing which ones. There was a recent blowup down here about ‘african’ street gangs which the usual suspects tried to drown with cries of racism. But there are other anecdotes agreeing with the article about immigrants opening shops in regional areas and generally fitting in and coming up in the benefit column.
30,150, even though I lowered my own score when my finger accidentally brushed the wrong answer. Darn touch screens.
Mankind will probably end up playing “Global Thermonuclear War” someday because of a touch screen, a sneeze, and no Undo button.
30,500. I had to guess at one. -goes to look up avulse, which even the spellchecker doesn’t recognize-
30,325, but some of them have more than one “right” answer depending on colloquial usage, e.g., “deal” – either “sale” as in “I got a great deal”, or “plea” as in copping a plea via a deal with the DA.
23,100. I’m an idjit.
OTOH, I was told there would be math.
Missed this part:
Your vocabulary size is equal to that of a 30-year-old successful American businessperson!
Sooo….I kinda was an idjit until I turned 25 or so. Looking at it that way…
Supposedly you’re able to find out which words you missed but it doesn’t seem to work (or maybe I’m too dense to figure it out).
It’s time for old poets to have their struggle sessions!
I was told there would be math.
No refunds, et sequelae.
I was told there would be math.
No refunds, et sequelae.
Drat. Here I was trying to be all erudite and such and I went and interpolated an absent “no”.
Double drat. I guess it’s the rickety chair for me again:-(.
29,800.
🙁
If this has been posted here already I’ll have to report for regrooving again.
“Leftism is a status machine”
“People often take public positions in an attempt to increase their social status.
If you’ve been in a corporate setting, or settings with certain friends, I don’t need to offer further examples of this idea. You’ve seen it happen, and you also know that you need to be “reading the room” at all times before you speak and act. Failure costs status. People notice this dynamic, and act accordingly.”
[…]
“Do you really think it’s a coincidence that leftism and its “Diversity Pokemon Points” amount to a full caste system?
Do you have any doubt about The left’s hatred for those who will not stay in their assigned status?
Have you noticed their quickness to turn on their own allies? Fail to follow the latest fad, and your status is demoted.
Perhaps you’ve noticed that endlessly callous virtue signaling is the identifying badge of our modern try-hard Striver Class.
Maybe that’s because American public education is now a 20-year Milgram Experiment. Where the meta-message inside political correctness is to override your own judgement, in favor of deliberately-shifting judgements from people with higher status.
These aren’t accidents. They’re clues.
Leftism isn’t a policy machine or an economic machine. Its economic results would tell you that much in a hurry. But the machine keeps running. Which means it must work for something. The correct question is: in what way does it work?“
Mother of the Year Award nominee: https://sputniknews.com/europe/201801241061018805-sweden-feminism-sexual-assault/
Jabrwok, do you have a non-Russian source for that?
pst314,
Do you mean a non-RUSSIAN BOT source.
😉
Mother of the Year Award nominee
Assuming events are as reported, it does at least suggest that those feminist pieties, so loudly professed, are not entirely sincere.
On the fractions nature of identitarianism:
https://www.conservativehome.com/leftwatch/2018/01/labours-internal-battle-over-trans-women-and-all-women-shortlists-suggests-its-strategy-of-identity-politics-is-backfiring.html
Hopefully the revolution will eat itself before it does too much real world damage.
Karen Straughan has some thoughts on the Jordan Peterson / Cathy Newman interview.
The more you poke and parse, the more it becomes obvious just how dumb and obtuse, how non-reciprocal, and how wilfully dogmatic, Ms Newman’s position is. And by extension, the positions of those who agree with her.
Newman: Let me get this straight. You’re saying that we should organize our societies along the lines of the lobsters?
It was absolutely vital here that Peterson broke his ‘relaxed’ posture and did a tactical facepalm. It would have gone even more viral than the interview subsequently did. It would be the meme of the century; it would still be played fifty years hence.
In the JP/CN interview you can see that CN is mouthing the pieties regardless of what JP says – she is playing the role for her community
Personally I think she is a bit dim, has a completely closed mind and was lazily going for a “GOTCHA!” moment which could then be edited and gone viral. Alas, the tables were reversed and Peterson “got her” instead. She is now doomed to spend the rest of her life as a meme.
I haven’t watched the whole interview. What I had seen was fairly atrocious, but reading that transcript…incredible. You could have got an AI program to simply say “So what you are saying is” and then repeat a number of pre-prepared statements aimed at misrepresenting him.
Presumably she is paid a large sum of money for this. Ironic given that she was complaining about the “gender gap” in pay. She sounds vastly overpaid on that example.
The
interviewinquisition suggests that the most useful background to have when dealing with SJW’s/”journalists” is training in clinical psychology and experience in treating mental and emotional disorders.Or you could simply apply Occam’s Razor and conclude that Newman is just dishonest.
In search of “woke bae,” or dating, New York feminist style.
Or you could simply apply Occam’s Razor and conclude that Newman is just dishonest.
She is dishonest, clearly, and rather sly, albeit in a way that lacks finesse. But I think her chosen politics, her worldview, does tend to lead to bad faith. It’s practically a defining attribute.
Attention, whitey. Know your place.
Jabrwok, do you have a non-Russian source for that?
The article links to the alleged source (http://www.friatider.se/mamma-v-grade-anm-la-flyktingbarn-som-sexangrep-hennes-12-riga-dotter) but as I don’t read Swedish, I can’t corroborate it.
I did a quick spot-check on the sputniknews site to see if it raised any significant flags and didn’t see any, but I might have overlooked something.
Sadly, the story itself is all too believable nowadays. I’d like to believe it isn’t true, but Europe in general, and Sweden in particular, seem to have gone collectively insane.
Mother of the Year Award nominee
Moloch is always hungry, isn’t he?
Do you mean a non-RUSSIAN BOT source.

#WeAreAllRussianBots
Meanwhile, it appears the “Women’s March” can declare a victory, or something.
Moloch is always hungry, isn’t he?
Why, in certain political circles, it’s almost a theme.
Odd, that.
Sadly, the story itself is all too believable nowadays.
Indeed, which is why I asked for another source: It fits my impressions of what is happening in Sweden, but therefore I distrust my impulse to believe, and Russians do sometimes spread disinformation for their own purposes,
Heh.

Do you mean a non-RUSSIAN BOT source
B-O-T-G-I-R-L
Got the whole world searching for their own bot girl.
Out in the crowd, Down in the street,
Got the whole net shaking to that big bot beat.
Why, in certain political circles, it’s almost a theme.
I went back and reread all those old links. For the life of me, I cannot wrap my mind around the fact that some parents would willingly, without a second thought, disadvantage their own children in some misbegotten effort to attain status among their fellows. It’s one thing to observe what occurs in inner city slums or the “hollers'” of deepest Appalachia and feel sympathy for people who don’t know better. It’s another to see people willingly kneecapping their own children for one of those “positional goods” we’ve discussed. One wonders where Dante would have stuck such parents in his Circles of Hell, if he were writing today.
Oh come on, you laughed too.
Oh well, let’s try feminist science and “Research Justice 101: Tools for Feminist Science” instead, because we need, to “…practice a socially just science…”
This learning event is organized by the, and I am not making this up, “UC Santa Cruz’s Science and Justice Research Center”, where, I suspect, there is not really anyone “doing” science. Well, perhaps metaphorically doing it in the Biblical sense.
I went back and reread all those old links.
No refunds, etc.
For the life of me, I cannot wrap my mind around the fact that some parents would willingly, without a second thought, disadvantage their own children in some misbegotten effort to attain status among their fellows.
Vanity is a powerful drug and can skew one’s priorities, as can dogma, as can spite. Prioritising one’s own woke self-image above the wellbeing of others, even one’s own children, isn’t too much of a leap. And I suppose that once your sense of personal virtue – and superiority – depends on such posturing, it may be a hard habit to shake. It’s hard to back-pedal, and any challenge to the façade will be reacted against as a personal affront.
It’s also worth bearing in mind that a lot of the time it’s just in-group signalling – “ban private education!” – and unlikely to be enacted as national policy, so there’s little personal cost attached, and the middle-class lefties who position themselves in this way tend to have the means and contacts to compensate, at least to some extent, should they find themselves obliged to actually live their professed values. The children of Arabella Weir, for instance, are unlikely to face quite the same challenges as a bright prole child at a crappy comprehensive.
I so love how Canadians pronounce out. Why, I could listen to it over and over and over…
https://youtu.be/RhdEbOzcN1U
Got the whole net shaking to that big bot beat
She’s a bot girl, she’s a bot, she’s a bot bot girl.
She’s a bot girl, she’s a bot, she’s a bot bot girl…
No refunds, etc.
Pickled eggs aside, those archives are a treasure trove.
those archives are a treasure trove.
Something to bear in mind when I do the next fundraiser.
Whaddayamean shameless…?
Apropos of various comments around here, here’s another ‘So you’re saying’, bleached computer, big red button pretense ( noticed at Althouse https://althouse.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/erykah-badu-expresses-empathy-for.html )
Let’s call it the ‘Newman manoeuvre’.
Probably the Ninth (bottommost) Circle, which houses traitors. Specifically, its subdivision Caina, for treason against family.
(Dante’s Ninth Circle also has separate areas for those who betrayed their principles, their guests, their lords, their country, etc. At the very centre are Cassius and Brutus for betraying Caesar, and Judas for betraying Jesus.)
“Karen Straughan has some thoughts on the Jordan Peterson / Cathy Newman interview.”
Cathy Newman did not interview Jordan Peterson. Cathy Newman has never interviewed Jordan Peterson. Update your records accordingly.
Saw this over at Ace. Can someone explain this sentence to me? As per yesterday’s post I’m only about 23/20ths as smart as you people and obviously my language skilllllzzz are causing me problems:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/health/cuckolding-sex-kerner/index.htmlaa
How does a MAN trick his WIFE into cuckholding him?
Heh…that should of course read 23/30ths. But then I am an idjit.
How believing in socialism can make you miserable.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-24/how-believing-socialism-can-make-you-miserable
How believing in socialism can make you miserable.
It would be interesting if we could calculate the cost of socialism to society just based solely on the opportunity costs of loss of productivity from people who have had to dedicate so much (all?) of their lives to refuting the stupidity of socialism for the last 200 years or so. Frédéric Bastiat must be spinning in his grave.