Aversions
A thread of possible interest:
This is followed by a non-trivial observation:
On this latter point, should an example prove helpful, readers may wish to revisit the unconvincing contrivance of Guardian columnist Zoe Williams – specifically, her scolding of those who’d prefer not to have sociopathic neighbours – say, the kinds of creatures who blast out loud music in the small hours, and who, for entertainment, hurl pets from upstairs windows.
An aversion Ms Williams denounced as a “demonisation of the poor,” a project of “extinction,” in which those who’d rather not have their ornaments rattled by another all-night next-door rave, are “trying to shunt people out of society for not being rich enough.”
According to Zoe, those who’d prefer not to be assailed by thunderous basslines at 4am, or to have their evenings enlivened by small, terrified animals falling from the sky, are merely being cruel, “dehumanising,” and needlessly judgemental. For Zoe, the problem with ‘problem families’ is simply that they’re poor, and nothing whatsoever to do with how they choose to abuse their equally poor neighbours.
In the world of our Guardian columnist, we – by which she means you – should be “unstigmatising,” which is to say, non-judgemental. Passive and accepting, on an indefinite basis. A process via which empathy, or feigned empathy, is shifted from the working-class victim of crime and antisocial behaviour to the working-class perpetrator of crime and antisocial behaviour, on grounds that the thug or criminal is in some way being oppressed and, unlike their neighbours, being made to misbehave.
Needless to say, this prompted some lengthy speculation as to how Ms Williams might react, should she wake one morning to find a family of violent morons moving in next door to her:
And,
As a real-world test of Zoe’s scrupulously progressive worldview, her professed concern for the common man, it would, I think, make for instructive viewing.
Update, via the comments:
Connor adds,
Well, the idea that Zoe, who lives far removed from rough council estates, would herself behave in the same way she demands that others do is quite laughable. It’s so transparently unconvincing, so absurd, that you have to wonder how these obvious dishonesties can go unchallenged in her world. Unless, of course, everyone in her world is pretending much the same things.
As I said here, with suitably vivid examples:
Part of the reason, I suspect, is that there’s little in-group status to be had in pretending to care about functional people of modest means. Instead, they pretend to care about more exotic demographics. And so, among progressives, we get pretentious compassion for unrepentant and habitual thieves, habitual burglars, habitually criminal drivers. Oh, and dog thieves and armed muggers, obviously.
It seems to me this is the level it typically works on. So, again, pretending.
And let’s not forget Peter Matthews, an Urban Studies lecturer ostensibly offended by “urban inequalities,” and who wants to ensure that more of us live next door to “the poor and marginalised.” Writing in the Guardian, Dr Matthews agonised over litter inequality and the fact that rougher neighbourhoods tend to be strewn with wrappers, cans, and food-smeared detritus. And so, we had lots of fretting about inequalities in litter density, while the question of how the litter gets there remained, rather oddly, of zero interest. With the words drop and littering pointedly not appearing.
Presumably for fear that these practical details might have inegalitarian implications.
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I mean, how else do you arrive at a supposedly serious report about how to “narrow the gap” in litter and how to “achieve fairer outcomes in street cleanliness” without ever – even once – acknowledging the issue of how the litter gets there in the first place? Or considering the possibility that some people, in some neighbourhoods, litter much more often than others?
As if the crap just fell from the sky, like overnight snow.
David:
Remember that the Left is like a Decorator Crab that glues coral to its shell as camouflage. The hard-core, power-hungry Marxists gather feckless bien-pensant suburbanite “liberals” around them to disguise their ruthless will to power, no matter how much suffering is caused.
So for the hard-core Marxists it is willful deceit.
For many of the suburban patsies, it is a pollyanna self-identity bred by a combination of causes:
Incredibly sheltered livesEmotional immaturityLuxury of navel-gazingMedia/academic indoctrination replacing real experiencePolitical indoctrination to feel guilty for one’s “privilege”Nostalgie pour la bouie/Romanticization of the lower classes and dysfunctional behaviors (enabled by incredible prosperity and safety)Rebellion/furious hatred of daddy, mummy, and all they represent.. this paradoxically includes internalizing the dishonesty of self-indulgent parents.Once you have been socialized in this way, it is very difficult to see anything that contradicts these assumptions, because it directly attacks your self-definition…. It’s Rachel Corrie syndrome – even violence, rape, or abuse while doing “Peace Corps” work does not shake the worldview of the bien-pensant.
But it’s still harsh to say these fools are malevolent in intent.
This is now a multi-generational tradition for some of these people – in the 60s the hooker with a heart of gold featured in New Cinema… she never really went away – Bizet’s Carmen typified the same romanticization in the 19th century, which had its own versions of all these trends… Major Barbara and other Shavian pieces skewered many of them.
The cameraman needs a spanking.
I am always reminded of the Heinlein quote “An armed society is a polite society.”
I have an aversion to urban ferals who will never become human beings.
It’s underappreciated how corrosive such people are to the wellbeing of a society. They and their mindset.
That was incredible. They really don’t want to believe in different behaviour.
Speaking of litter….
Well, at one time you might have expected academics, supposed specialists in the field, to at least entertain the possibility that the differences in littering in residential neighbourhoods could – maybe, just possibly – reflect residents’ attitudes and level of civilisation. That it could – maybe, just possibly – have something to do with whether the residents are respectable, a little bit bourgeois – or conversely, scumbags.
And yet this obvious variable isn’t mentioned, at all. Indeed, it’s oddly, weirdly, and with contrivance, avoided.
Lest it unravel the entire premise.
Another aversion…or jealousy.
And so, we’re told, quite sternly, that we must “achieve fairer outcomes in street cleanliness” – despite an admission that rough, litter strewn residential neighbourhoods already receive five times the resources – five times the council spending – of more respectable neighbourhoods. And still the problem persists.
And while achieving these “fairer outcomes,” we mustn’t acknowledge that anyone is actually dropping the litter, and we mustn’t ponder what that behaviour tells us about such people.
As I said in the original thread,
I can’t overstate just how striking it was. And again, this was a residential neighbourhood, not some busy shopping area with umpteen fast-food outlets.
It was just a nest of scrotes.
Again, Cinco de Mayo is not so much a Mexican celebration of victory as it is an American celebration of a French defeat that didn’t cost us anything.
May I recommend a little something for your bookshelf?
Many years ago leftists and black activists were complaining about trash and litter on the streets of the South Side of Chicago: They blamed it on racist city government rather than local residents with dirty habits.
They really don’t want to believe in different behaviour.
Meanwhile in idyllic Belgium…
That was incredible. They really don’t want to believe in different behaviour.
Many years ago I lived in New York City. Every year the city hosted several parades — Thanksgiving Day, St. Patrick’s Day, 4th of July, etc. After each event the Sanitation Department, presumably to show how hard working they were, would announce how many tons of litter they had collected after the parade. They were forced to stop releasing this information, though, when it became apparent that one particular parade produced far more garbage than all the others combined. That was the Puerto Rican Day Parade.
I remember wondering how someone could literally wade through garbage – much of which, presumably, their own – every time they walked to and from their own front door. As if this were perfectly normal.
And the thing is, while modest, the neighbourhood itself – the physical structures – wouldn’t have been such an utter shithole if better people were living there.
“It’s quite a thing to live in this Age of Undrawable Conclusions”
I’ve mentioned before a late 80s documentary that I saw some years ago, about the tenants of a run-down and disreputable council estate. One I’ve actually driven past once or twice, and about whose occupants I heard legends as a teenager. The film was, inevitably, made by middle-class leftists (art degrees, boarding school) and was clearly intended as some kind of indictment of 1980s Thatcherism. As if Mrs Thatcher and her policies were somehow the cause of behaviour that predated them.
What struck me at the time – and went entirely unacknowledged by the documentary makers – was the infantilism of many of the tenants – their lack of agency, of initiative. They seemed entirely absorbed by the state, as if it were some all-powerful but utterly negligent parent, and were consequently reduced to a kind of childish passivity.
This mindset was apparent throughout the documentary, yet somehow never remarked upon or challenged, even gently. The residents were clearly being steered towards externalising the causes of their woes, but the mindset on display seemed beyond the scope of any political policy.
One detail that lingers in the memory was that, among the residents, who were able-bodied, there was no expectation whatsoever that even a simple, routine task – replacing the washer in a leaking tap, for instance – might be undertaken by the tenants themselves, or by a friend or family member. Instead, they waited for the council to “send someone.”
For months.
See also: the chirping of smoke detectors.
Again, it was one of those really-obvious-thing-not-being-acknowledged moments.
In my experience that is a very common attitude among tenants of any income level. But only the dysfunctional fools will persist for months in not fixing anything themselves.
It seems to me that the choosing of the most outrageous and awful criminals to valorize (St. George Floyd, tren del argua) is deliberate, because it shows just how noble you are and how much you view oppression as the cause of everything bad.
black woman talking litter: it never occurs to her that every house on the block picks up any litter that appears in their yard, including the public part (parkway) as soon as they see it. Sometimes it is very windy here when trash day arrives and crap blows away as the garbage truck attempts to dump it. No one’s fault BUT it is all cleaned up by the end of the day. Also, homeowners in suburbia have to cut the grass on the public part of their yard.
From the original thread:
Such that even spending five times more, as is the case, doesn’t make much of a dent in the problem.
The primary difference, the obvious variable, is one of attitude, of behaviour. And yet this isn’t mentioned. As if it were inadmissible.
black woman talking litter: it never occurs to her that every house on the block picks up any litter…
It never occurs to her, because blacks can’t be racist, that nice neighborhood does not equal “white” and that there are damn few things as “white” neighborhoods anymore anyway. Even way down here in the land of cotton at least a third of my “white” neighborhood isn’t, and there is zip for litter, and we are not an anomaly.
OTOH, one can find impoverished areas that are predominantly either black, white, or mixed, that may be rundown, but still not overrun with trash. The obligatory dead appliances on the porch, yes, but not garbage strewn about.
Of course only a racist would suggest rampant littering might be a behavioral thing.
I neglected to mention that 30 yrs ago in Aiken SC I would pass through fairly poor black neighborhoods that were tidy, with flowers out front, and no litter to be seen anywhere. It is not just magically caused by poverty.
One of the things we noticed when we visited Japan was, even in Tokyo, the absence of litter. And I’m not talking about people being thoughtful enough to use the trash bins … there were no trash bins on the sidewalks in the first place … There’s this cultural practice that you don’t litter. It is even considered rude to walk down the sidewalk while eating. You create litter? You keep it with you until you go home or find a bin (say in the train station) to use.
Funny, but in the ‘old days’, the whole idea of picking up litter and keeping things neat and tidy was gasp taught in grade school as part of good citizenship. It was reinforced by Scouting or even team sports (who would make sure the field was picked up before leaving).
It’s so depressing.
Um, don’t all the “best” sorts of people claim to want to end poverty, which would make poor people … extinct?
I’ve noticed the same thing with regard to crime. Much wailing over how the poor are forced to live in crime-infested neighborhoods, but no mention of who is doing the crime.
It seems that either crime is just some sort of environmental miasma that simply manifests in these neighborhoods due to insufficient caring by the more well-off, or the well-off are actually off-loading their crime to the crime-infested areas.
This is how you get Terminators!
Terminators?
Is failure to check whether your preferred policies are helping or hurting a type of malevolence?
I guess as long as they’re able to blame bigotry for all bad outcomes, they don’t have to think about it. Maybe they genuinely lack the wherewithal to think that deeply.
Small wonder human history is a continuous dumpster fire, always shifting form but never getting better.
It takes a certain degree of mental health to see chaos, wish it ordered, and to have the motivation to do that ordering. Dopamine is involved, no doubt.
They likely “don’t see” it in the sense that they can’t deal with the fact that it’s disgusting and something should be done. It’s like being nose-blind to the pig farm down the road.
It turns out that a percentage of the population (bottom quintile?) is just plain malfunctioning on a neurological level. Their executive functioning is barely there. They’ve acquired terrible cases of learned helplessness. Many have personality disorders.
Something is desperately wrong with them on the inside. In many cases, it’s not their fault — they were raised wrong, in bad environments where there were no good examples. Some inherited bad genes. Many of them are incapacitated by mind-altering substances.
And most of them are positively kneecapped by toxic resentment — having been told that they’re the victims of other groups who’ve done nothing but oppress them all their lives, they believe that their lot will never improve until they loot their oppressors.
The Left has engendered and enabled and encouraged and stoked and fomented this noxious attitude so that they can have foot soldiers willing to burn it all down at a moment’s notice. This is why they tolerate the bottom quintile’s criminal behavior — they see it as the oppressed getting back a little of theirs, as if it were a type of justice, never mind the fact that the victims of these criminals and the alleged oppressors are never the same people.
How do you help malfunctioning people when they believe their problems are 100% someone else’s fault? How do you mentor someone to improve their executive function when they’re overwhelmed by learned helplessness?
How do you get past the phalanx of Leftist activists who are determined to keep their charges crippled and angry for the rest of their lives?
But not always.
I remember in the 60s that practically everyone used to toss all trash out their car windows, as if it would dissipate like smoke. The worst areas were the ends of freeway off-ramps, where people having stopped would unload all their wrappers and boxes and bags.
In 1969, when I was six, we visited some relatives in the LA area and went to the beach. The sand was thick with pop-tops, bottle lids, cigarette butts, bottle shards, beer cans… you name it. I remember trying to wend my way barefoot across the sand, and I couldn’t find many places to step where there wasn’t something there to bite my tiny foots.
It took the weeping Indian and highway cleanup programs and quite a bit of scolding to get it into people’s heads that the burger wrapper tossed out the window actually ends up on the roadside, and it joins all the other burger wrappers in a huge bank of trash that doesn’t go away by itself.
The new American lifestyle with its cars and fast foods developed quickly, and we hadn’t quite caught up conceptually with how to deal with all that waste.
It was pretty bad. If you go to 3rd-world countries, they’re where we were in the 60s: the bodies of water are thick with pollution such that you can smell the creeks long before you see or hear them. They haven’t got as many car owners going to fast-food drive-thrus, but they still manage to junk the place up.
I guess generating tons of waste products is kinda new in human history. We haven’t all adapted well.
Two words: midden heap
Modern waste doesn’t rot easily & there are many, many more people creating & disposing of it.
They do have a point.
I can’t imagine what, short of a loaded gun, could compel me to walk down the street shovelling a burger into my gob.
[ Straightens tie, checks hair. ]