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Jonathan Kay on woke mysticism and the latest must-have identity niche:
[O]ne of the main themes of the 32-page document is that the task of defining the Two-Spirit concept is (quite literally) beyond the powers of Western language and epistemology. And in any case, the category is almost completely open-ended: The act of proclaiming oneself Two-Spirited could be a statement about one’s gender, or sexual orientation, or both, or neither. Or 2S can be a statement about one’s politics, spirituality, or simply one’s desire to present as “anti-colonial.” […]
While the authors of the report were careful to source their work to Indigenous writers and interviewees, it’s interesting to note that all of the listed societal roles attributed to ancient Two-Spirited people align uncannily with the avant-garde outlook of a white 2022-era environmentalist who’s embraced intersectional conceptions of gender… We are told no fewer than nine times, for instance, that the authors are following an “anti-oppressive” approach. Colonialism is denounced more than a dozen times, including in its “heteronormative” (three times) variant.
Needless to say, the whole thing is a bit of a two-legged stool and, shall we say, not entirely consonant with anthropological evidence.
Libby Emmons on cheated female athletes and transgender overreach:
Judge Robert N. Chatigny demanded that the… attorneys who were representing the women refer to the two biological males as “transgender females,” stating that “referring to these individuals as ‘transgender females’ is consistent with science, common practice and perhaps human decency.” “If a judge dictates what words parties have to use,” attorneys said at the time, “it can bias the case. It is essential that every litigant be able to present their case to an impartial court in the way that they believe is the most accurate and true to the facts. We’ve explained in our brief how the judge’s order prevents us from doing that for our clients.”
It does sound awfully close to begging the question. But as noted before, if you mouth the first lie – that he is somehow she – then other lies and mental tangles will rapidly accumulate. Best, I think, not to give away the store in the first place.
Update, added via the comments:
Mick Hartley on pretensions, power games, and the cost of not pretending:
“I asked [teacher, Christie Hammer] how many sexes there were,” [student, Elizabeth] Leibiger said. “She said, ‘Two.’ I felt under personal attack.” Leibiger then gathered their things and walked out of class because they no longer felt respected.
Note the students’ use of the phrase “weren’t listened to,” despite them being listened to at length and being indulged to a preposterous degree. What they mean, it seems, is weren’t deferred to in our pretensions with sufficient speed and unanimity.
The tolerance of such dishonesty, and the willingness of supposedly grown adults to participate in it, and affirm it, while abasing themselves, is quite extraordinary. It seems to me a more frank and less dementing response to the students might be, “No, dears, you’re not ‘non-binary’ or some supposed third sex. You’re pretentious and neurotic, and your narcissistic psychodrama will not be indulged. Furthermore, your attempts to cow and coerce others – to bully them and have them reprimanded or fired – should make you feel deeply ashamed and an embarrassment to your parents. You pieces of moral garbage.”
Alas, there are few adults left in academia and so pretty much everyone pretends, or at least hides what they really think, and really know. Despite the cooing and rainbows, this is not a happy trajectory.
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consistent with science
Computer says no.
Ladies, do you know what your penis* looks like?
https://twitter.com/_RowdyPup_/status/1576271405414436864
(via @SwipeWright on Twitter)
*I have it on good authority that anyone doing the obvious “my husband” joke will find their coats smouldering in the yard.
Ladies, do you know what your penis* looks like?
We live in deranging times.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/10/vermont-high-school-girls-volleyball-team-banned-from-locker-room-for-objecting-to-changing-with-biological-male/
It may not surprise readers to learn that the documented historical basis for the ETFO’s claims is quite thin. And at one point, the report’s authors even concede that “in traditional Indigenous communities, gender roles were very distinct.”
Actual LOL.
This bit caught my eye:
Presumably, the dupe should simply prostrate himself, and defer to whatever claptrap is piled upon such claims, without being entirely sure why.
My going to a Mexican restaurant and ordering a burrito is “cultural appropriation”. White people, or people of any other non-indigenous, race claiming to be “Two-Spirit” is not. See? Simple. People are so dumb.
How long can a movement be fueled by emotional blackmail alone?
“Agree with every fantastical claim we make or you’ll drive us to self-violence and the blood will be on your hands” must have a limited shelf-life, wouldn’t you think?
There is such a thing as compassion fatigue and their “words are violence” shtick is really getting tiresome—as is their penchant for making shit up as they go along. Two-spirit my ass.
I’ll stick to the fundamentals: you are what your DNA says you are. Period.
“If a judge dictates what words parties have to use,” attorneys said at the time, “it can bias the case. It is essential that every litigant be able to present their case to an impartial court in the way that they believe is the most accurate and true to the facts. We’ve explained in our brief how the judge’s order prevents us from doing that for our clients.”
In a recent election that included several judicial candidates, I asked several of them how they would run their offices in regard to cases presented without reasonably sufficient evidence. Not about any specific case mind you, nor how they would rule on a sensitive political subject, just with cases which they acknowledge do exist and that they acknowledge they have the power, through the magistrates that work for them, to dismiss early on. I was trying to get at some sense of dealing with the current environment that forces innocent parties to spend tens of thousands of dollars on defense attorneys simply because someone filed a baseless case without even remotely sufficient evidence. I had my questions deleted, I was met with exasperation by other officials, and even insulted for politely (yes, I was very careful… I can be, you know) pressing the issue by reframing my questions to account for their objections. I was still quite far from asking a kind of question as “specific” as to what a woman is. If in an actual court of law, judges can play these sorts of games, what protections do we have to stop the judiciary from running all over us? I understand why a judicial candidate should not have to answer how they might rule on cases involving context of specific issues but when the language is being attacked like this, we should be able to ask them what they think words mean.
““It’s a huge thing.”
Hmmm.
Not unrelated, “it” is the “N-word of neopronouns”.
Seriously, you transphobes.
Two-Spirit people, on the other hand, are described in the ETFO report as possessing a savant-like power (or “lens”) that channels truths about the nature of the external world.
Magic Brown People!
Magic Brown People!
Yes, absolutely. But then, like so much else, it’s geared to the kinds of people whose attitude regarding Designated Victim Groups, whether racial, sexual or whatever, is fundamentally condescending. The kinds of people who may wish to be seen approving of things like this, or this. Or indeed this.
The indigenous thing cracks me up. In Australia, science classes may not refer to the big bang without also mentioning aboriginal creation myths–but which ones? The native culture was not homogeneous.
In America, there were effeminate men who did not go to war, but they were not recognized as women.
2S is made up purely for inclusiveness without any idea what it actually was historically (if it existed).
“consistent with science, common practice and perhaps human decency”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_N._Chatigny
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/26/sexual-sadism-unleaded/
Two-Spirit people, on the other hand, are described in the ETFO report as possessing a savant-like power (or “lens”) that channels truths about the nature of the external world.
and
consistent with science
Back in the 70’s through 90’s, purveyors of New Age woo attacked science as mere “scientism” when New Age claims were shown to be mere lies and wishful thinking. Starting in the 90’s, the Postmodern Left began claiming that their lies were the real science. And so we have the current situation, in which garbage is constantly fed to students and to the general public. Those who object are shouted down or even have their careers destroyed.
In Australia, science classes may not refer to the big bang without also mentioning aboriginal creation myths–but which ones?
Somewhat related.
The judge and the sadist: judge is practicing psych without a lic. It can be argued that all serious crimes are a mental illness but then we must forego all deterence and punishment.
Isn’t that the argument of criminologists?
Dr Heinz Kiosk — A psychoanalyst and rentaquote pundit who, at every manifestation of anti-social behaviour, is ready to deflect responsibility from the individual perpetrator and onto society as a whole; as reflected in his catchphrase “We are all guilty!”
One of the many characters created over 50 years ago by the uncannily prescient Peter Simple.
Oh looky, another aggressively promoted movie bombs at the box office. Bad script? Ham-fisted messaging? Little actual comedy in a “rom-com”?
No no no, the box office failure was fault of audience to show up … cuz homophobia or something.
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Anyone who wished to decolonize themselves can refrain from driving automobiles, getting on busses , trains or airplanes. They will also have to grow their own food and obstain from taking Western medicines, seeing doctors or nurses or receiving treatment in hospitals. I think that’s a good compromise.
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I think that pretty much covers it.
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Having given the matter some thought, I still can’t imagine the circumstances in which I’d actually pay money to watch a gay rom-com. Or indeed any kind of rom-com. To say nothing of a rom-com made by a tiresome twat.
I denounce myself.
Or indeed any kind of rom-com.
I keep wondering who the movie makers thought their audience would be? “Rom-com”s assume women – either as a gaggle of friends or the ones who drag their husbands and boyfriends along.
And outside of slash fanfic, I can’t think of many women who want to see an “R” rated, gay rom-com.
I pay in time and money to attend movies that entertain.
“We are all guilty!”
Well, exactly. Why do such people find it so hard to understand and accommodate those of us who advocate severe punishment of such people? Aren’t we all…them, us, everybody just as guilty of existing in a different way of being…just like Judge Chatigny or Dr. Kiosk? Who are they to judge us? They seem to think they’re the only ones who have thought these things through but they seem to have stopped their thinking at a convenient (for them) point.
I pay in time and money to attend movies that entertain.
Well, quite. But apparently, we must now go to the cinema to support causes, or swear fealty or something. Which actually sounds like a terrible reason to go to the cinema. Or, from where I stand, not a reason at all.
“We are all guilty!”
When they say “we” they really mean “everybody but we bien pensants“.
Having given the matter some thought, I still can’t imagine the circumstances in which I’d actually pay money to watch a gay rom-com. Or indeed any kind of rom-com.
I thought that was one of the perks (perqs?) of being gay, not getting dragged off to see rom-coms. That and not having to answer the question, “Does this dress make me look fat?”. Granted, it’s not like I dodged a bullet or anything, but still…
Granted, it’s not like I dodged a bullet or anything, but still…
Heh. I’ve got Mrs WTP on the phone. She’d like a word.
Allen says that the dispute started when the trans student made an inappropriate comment while members of the volleyball team were getting changed.
Nobody was complaining (on the record) about the creep being in the room when they were getting changed. When the creep makes creepy remarks while watching the girls get changed, and some girls finally complain about it, the girls themselves get investigated for Hate, for “intimidating him for his sexuality” as Eddie Izzard would put it.
https://www.wcax.com/2022/09/28/randolph-high-school-investigating-gender-locker-room-dispute/
Are they really talking about rooms conflicting with somebody’s gender identity? Depending on your sex, you might be worried to find a urinal/tampon dispenser in your changing area, but that’s not because of a phobia of those amenities, it’s fear that you’ve gone into the wrong place and somebody might walk in and find you there at any moment. It’s about the people you can expect to find in the locker room, not the locker room itself.
Stated in terms of people: (negative formulation) – a transgender student shouldn’t be required to change with people who are the wrong sex as far as they’re concerned. (Of course, that’s not a right that mere female volleyball players have). With the rule written negatively, the school isn’t obliged to let the creep change with the girls as long as he can change separately from the boys.
Stated in terms of people: (positive formulation) – a transgender student should be allowed to change with people of the sex of their choice. That’s the way the school interpreted it, that the creep has not only the right to change separately from icky boys and dysphoria-inducing urinals, not only has access to an empty girls’ locker room with all its alluring gender-affirming associations, but has access to girls themselves in their vulnerable high-trust spaces.
Thanks for the warning, crazy person.
Allen says that the dispute started when the trans student made an inappropriate comment while members of the volleyball team were getting changed.
But nobody reports what the comment was.
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So here is my ‘back of the envelope’ calculation:
Adult population of United States – about 258 Million
Percentage of population which identify (officially) as LGBTQ – and remaining alphabet – 10%
Subpercentage of your core target audience that could be expected to support such a ground breaking historic rom-com – 10%
Average movie ticket price for a weekend showing – $15
Optimistic weekend gross – $ 38.7 million.
Ergo absolutely no “support” needed from any other demographic or allies.
Locker rooms: A few years ago in NC there was a push to make it illegal to keep trans out of female locker rooms/rest rooms (or to make them all neutral, can’t remember). Defenders of this kept saying “oh, but bathrooms have stalls, what is your problem?” as if no such thing as communal showers or changing areas existed anywhere. As if stalls were perfectly private. As if stall doors never malfunctioned. Others would hold up the example of coed showers on some college campus’, ignoring that students chose to sign up for a coed dorm, in a place full of mostly middle/upper class kids, not homeless people or gangs. Or they would say “taking pictures is already illegal”, ignoring leering. Or pretending that the trans person would be almost fully feminine looking, instead of having a beard and still having a dick. It was straw men (women?) all the way down. And when asked about men/boys who would game the system, they pooh-poohed that no one would do that. huh
One way to tell that something is nuts is to hold up the limiting case. In the case of bathrooms, we can ask: if boys can be in the girls locker room, why do high school students (or anyone really) need to wear clothes at all?
Defenders of this kept saying “oh, but bathrooms have stalls, what is your problem?” as if no such thing as communal showers or changing areas existed anywhere
There are undoubtedly plenty of gender-questioning people who just want private cubicles. In general there are a lot more high school- and college-aged Americans who’ve never had, for example, to share a bedroom or bathroom with siblings – they’re more used to having their own space, and that’s ok.
These aren’t entirely private spaces anyway. Changing rooms in clothes stores are private spaces for men, who just want to make sure the jeans fit so they don’t have to set foot in a clothes store for another year. But they’re communal spaces for women who want to show each other the outfits and talk about the outfits and Instagram the outfits and so on. Locker rooms in sports are communal male spaces, as feminists have sometimes been known to remark. And locker rooms are also communal female spaces.
The transgender activists that have come up here don’t seem to be the timid souls who just want a private cubicle. They’re the ones who want access to the sex-specific communal spaces.
Teens. More teens. Still more teens.
Any effective solution will involve terrifying the criminal classes into compliance.
Gibberish. Just gibberish.
Ah, but it’s authentic academic gibberish, from the mouth of Professor Gabby Johnson.
Today’s word is trustee:
The overlap of trans activism and paedophilic leanings is, I think, getting harder to miss.
Not unrelated, “it” is the “N-word of neopronouns”.
“It” is standard English for a person whose sex (or gender, if you will) is not known to the speaker … and is also used when the sex is known:
DING-DONG! Who is it?
Who could it be? Believe it or not, it’s just me.
It was I, the Scarlet Pimpernel!
This Breslow business is also being discussed at Tim Worstall’s place:
https://www.timworstall.com/2022/10/depends-really-i-mean-i-support-paedophiles-and-so-do-you/#comment-1239441
This Breslow business is also being discussed at Tim Worstall’s place
And note that Mr Breslow’s… interests… weren’t exactly hard to find.
Again, the word trustee.
Pink News is a disgusting rag: https://twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1577198081459773441
“The Telegraph’s attacks on Mermaids are damaging trust”
Oh, so it’s not the safeguarding issues and the appointment of apologists for paedophilia that’s causing concern for Pink News, but “attacks” (or, rather more accurately, journalists bringing said issues to the attention of the public) from the Telegraph that’s the problem. Fuck off, Pink News, fuck right off.
The overlap of trans activism and paedophilic leanings is, I think, getting harder to miss.
Only transphobes who need to do better and educate themselves would think that.
You need to read up on Drag pedagogy: The playful practice of queer imagination in early childhood.
The paper is also by Professor Gabby Johnson.
What indeed?
Only uneducated rubes would dare call this sort of thing “grȪȪming”.
*(second author, so you know this is serious work)
The caring left, part 10,056….
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1577243116116926464
The overlap of trans activism and paedophilic leanings is, I think, getting harder to miss.
Part II: Meanwhile in
the Wiemar RepublicBerlin, a new LGBLT daycare project.The facility also “…will have a specialized focus on LGBT education.”
What could possibly go wrong?
Do not ask for whom the bell curve tolls; it tolls for thee.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/10/02/eddie-izzard-was-born-male-and-he-will-die-male/
Somewhere deep in his male soul he must know it is a deeply anti-social transgression for a man to go into a female WC. All men know this.
I’m sure he does know it. For instance,
It’s possible that the old correctives to such behaviour may make a comeback. It wouldn’t be unthinkable.
When you combine “no judging” with “everyone is a victim” this is what you get. Now the public gets visits by police in England for disparaging a pedo.
By the way, my understanding is that in prison they do not tolerate pedos well, some get murdered. Even criminals have more standards apparently than the Woke do.
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It appears that billy eichner is making a career of being a public a**hole.
Now the public gets visits by police in England for disparaging a pedo.
Well, that’s one way to prevent exposure of the next Rotherham rape conspiracy.
In the spirit of open thread, found this site when trying to research how the Thomas Edison estate in Ft. Myers dealt with hurricane Ian. This is satellite imagery post-hurricane. Zooming in gets a bit sketchy Based on what I was seeing in the media, I was expecting to see much, much worse…
https://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/ian/index.html
Only uneducated rubes would dare call this sort of thing “grȪȪming”.
And certainly not the American Medical Association. Yeah, I get that *most* doctors are not members of the AMA, but also *most* doctors seem oblivious to the damage the AMA has been doing to their profession for decades. Do tors have the power to stop this. They have the social position, the money, and the real science. Unfortunately most of them can’t seem to do math, especially not statistics. Nor reason the meanings of such. Bah. Oh well. It’s just western civilization. No great loss.
’tis worse in areas. Loaded up the truck and drove over (the nuber of utility trucks on I-10 was incredible) to help out elderly relatives at the northern edge of Ian’s impact. Some supplies are in good order (local WalMart is fully stocked and trucks are rolling constantly), gas is available (Gov nixed fuel taxes for the duration), and people are quite helpful. I’m still amazed at “weather”, and how much variation can exist over surprising small areas, leaving some completely untouched, while others have severe damage or are just gone…
Our family folk seemed to have weathered all OK.
Do not ask for whom the bell curve tolls; it tolls for thee.
On the one hand, yes. On the other hand I found it creepy that some college professors took such pride in the weed-out factor. As if it wasn’t their actual job to at least try to make seemingly incomprehensible subjects comprehensible. Or at the very least show some degree of sympathy, much like the opening paragraph of a relatively famous thermodynamics text.
’tis worse in areas.
Oh, agree. But the devastation, as terrible as it is, is not absolute, which is the impression most people have. I found that link quite interesting and plan to make use of it. For which I am sure I will take plenty of crap.
Weed out courses: in intro physics many yrs ago, on my first test the prof went through and put a check next to every answer (ie I got 100) but since he would not allow A in his class, he went back and took points off for the quality of my sin wave “sketches”. So yes there are jerk profs out there. This guy at 84 might have been slipping mentally too. On the other hand, students really really don’t want to work hard these days. So I doubt we have the full story here.
On the other hand I found it creepy that some college professors took such pride in the weed-out factor…
I’m not seeing that “pride”. It’s just a fact of life, and the weeding-out process is necessary.
…As if it wasn’t their actual job to at least try to make seemingly incomprehensible subjects comprehensible.
I’m not seeing that “lack of try” either.
Organic chemistry is a weed-out class, that’s just reality. Like Diff Eq’s and Quantum. There are weed-out classes in every STEM field, because there are topics which are particularly difficult and demanding but are essential to future progress. Better that students should find out sooner than later if they have what it takes to succeed in those fields.
“Cram it in, jam it in, students’ heads are hollow. Ram it in, jam it in, plenty more to follow.”
“And now reader,–bestir thyself–for though we will always lend thee proper assistance in difficult places, as we do not, like some others, expect thee to use the arts of divination to discover our meaning, yet we shall not indulge thy laziness where nothing but thy own attention is required; for thou art highly mistaken if thou dost imagine that we intended when we began this great work to leave thy sagacity nothing to do, or that without sometimes exercising this talent thou wilt be able to travel through our pages with any pleasure or profit to thyself.”
–Henry Fielding, quoted in epigraph to Elementary Quantum Mechanics by David S. Saxon
pst314 isn’t wrong. I know someone who was passed along in engineering because female and then simply could not do the work in the next level of classes. At. All. Lowering standards is how we are getting a society where web sites don’t work and bridges fall down.
Chemistry majors typically took Organic Chemistry and Differential Equations in the same semester. A tough row to hoe. I knew some chemistry and pre-med majors who, acting on advice, took a reduced course load that semester–either no other courses, or a gut course.
Lowering standards is how we are getting a society where web sites don’t work and bridges fall down.
Exactly.
Who the hell cares how much time and effort you put in if you get substandard or wrong results?
Organic chemistry is not that hard to begin with, but it does require some brute memorization, the ability to think logically, and about how things connect, abilities which are required to slog through the basic load of basic science courses in the first two years none of are exactly theoretical physics levels conceptual complexity.
“Well, sure Zotz did an outpatient appendectomy in 45 minutes, but Baggadonuts clearly is a superior surgeon because of the time and effort it took him 12 hours to do an uncomplicated appendectomy and only perforated the large colon twice”. I suppose we could use the Civil War surgeon criteria that those with bloodier and filthier clothes were obviously better.
Organic chemistry is not that hard to begin with
All my undergrad STEM major friends would disagree with you. But maybe if you qualified your statement to say “…in comparison to graduate level courses”.
Do not ask for whom the bell curve tolls; it tolls for thee.
Charles Murray weighs in.
But maybe if you qualified your statement to say “…in comparison to graduate level courses”.
No, it is time consuming (unless one has a photographic memory) , but it is not conceptually involved as, for example, basic calculus, doesn’t require advanced math (or much math at all), and it sure as hell isn’t p-chem.
The people in my classes who struggled generally just didn’t put in the effort, however, there are always those who, whether it is academics. sport, music, or whatever, regardless of effort or desire, just don’t have the ability.
I used to tutor Organic Chem 1 as an undergraduate, both while taking Organic Chem 2 and after. It’s a hard course. It requires a lot of memorization – mechanisms, functional groups – and even if you put in hours of effort, sometimes it just doesn’t click. That’s why it’s a weedout course. It took me an ungodly amount of effort, but I am a determined nerdy type, and after banging my head against homework problems, extra homework problems in the supplementary workbook, flash cards, drawing mechanisms out on the board – it did actually click, and I could “see” where the electrons were supposed to go, and why the different functional groups behaved as they did. But if you don’t show up to class, pay attention in class, or do the homework problems, just skimming the book before the test isn’t going to cut it.
As to the students’ self-reporting of their own perceived time and effort I think that holds about as much truth as most dieters’ self perception of the number of calories they are consuming.
Farnsworth: How about “Different people have different cognitive strengths and weaknesses. One person aces every math class but struggles with Organic Chemistry, while another takes to Theory of Electromagnetism like a duck to water but never masters Quantum Mechanics. Some are great at theory but mediocre in the laboratory, while others are the opposite.”
P-Chem was another hurdle, yes.
Where did I suggest lowering the standards? The job is to teach. Imparting information and understanding is the goal, not just pulling weeds. Though weeds do need to be pulled they will fall out either way. “Cram it in, jam it in, students’ heads are hollow. Ram it in, jam it in, plenty more to follow.” And what actual good does that do if they do not understand the material? How is a student better able to deal with more advanced subject matter if all they did was memorize some facts? Now this:
Organic chemistry is not that hard to begin with, but it does require some brute memorization, the ability to think logically, and about how things connect, abilities which are required to slog through the basic load of basic science courses in the first two years none of are exactly theoretical physics levels conceptual complexity.
should be the point, not brute memorization or distraction with trick questions that are themselves subject to debate. I had a statistics professor in college who insisted on being wrong about the Monty Hall problem because “luck has no memory”. He wasn’t trying to teach, he was trying to indoctrinate. Far too much emphasis on lecture and repetition and not enough on ensuring that the students actually understand the material. The weed-out attitude (though tbf that statistics course was not technically a weed out course) is part of the problem with academia.
on my first test the prof went through and put a check next to every answer (ie I got 100) but since he would not allow A in his class, he went back and took points off for the quality of my sin wave “sketches”.
Heh. I had a similar situation with a processes course (forget what it was called but a lot of simulation about waiting in lines) where on a test we had to design a program. I misunderstood the question about whether or not we were supposed to draw the diagram. This professor was a bit of an odd bird and the things he would ramble on about were not always clear to the point. So anyway, I got a 94% on the logic of the test but because I failed to put that logic inside some silly, useless flow-chart like diagram he cut my score in half to a 47. I admit I should have lost points, maybe as much as 10, but the diagram in no way was worth half of the subject matter.
Meant to add…Weed out would not be necessary if colleges and universities did not bring in so many students that are not qualified to be there in the first olace. The “weed out” should be happening in the admissions offices.
But if you don’t show up to class, pay attention in class, or do the homework problems, just skimming the book before the test isn’t going to cut it.
Yep, and yep to the perceived time and effort.
Farnsworth: How about …
True enough, but there are things that will only be grasped by those 3 or 4 SD to the right, and things that can be grasped by those one to two to the right which would be the expected minimum for anyone attempting organic chemistry – not that there aren’t those below. I will grant that it is easier, based on my N=2, for people who tend to be visual thinkers.
Do not ask for whom the bell curve tolls; it tolls for thee.
From the linked article:-
“Kent Kirshenbaum, another organic chemistry professor, discovered students cheating during online tests. Citing poor conduct in his decision to reduce grades, students protested by saying ‘they were not given grades that would allow them to get into medical school.’”.
How many lives have been saved by this principled man?
Weed out would not be necessary if colleges and universities did not bring in so many students that are not qualified to be there in the first olace. The “weed out” should be happening in the admissions offices.
Not true. The admissions office can only do basic weeding out. It is impossible even for the professors in each department to know which high school students will have what it takes to excel at the college level, be it chemistry, physics, biology, math, or whatever. Taking the courses is when the professors and students find this out.
I recall Isaac Asimov recounting how he had breezed through high school math, only to hit a wall (sort of) when he took calculus (Or was it advanced calc/diff eq? Not sure.) He passed (he got his doctorate, after all) but math was ever after somewhat of a struggle.
Where did I suggest lowering the standards? The job is to teach. Imparting information and understanding is the goal, not just pulling weeds. Though weeds do need to be pulled they will fall out either way. “Cram it in, jam it in, students’ heads are hollow. Ram it in, jam it in, plenty more to follow.” And what actual good does that do if they do not understand the material?
I fail to see how the professors are at fault: It is certainly the job of the professors to teach, but they can only do so much: The students must do the work, and the students must have the aptitude to do the work successfully.
Furthermore, the weeding out process filters out not only the students who simply do not have the talent to succeed. It also filters out those who can pass the courses only with unreasonable amounts of help: The student who takes 7 years to get a BS in chemistry is going to do even worse at the graduate level and will never become a successful scientist.
I would feel very sorry for a student who was led on by an affirmative action program to waste years of his life on a lost cause. I would also feel sorry for the professors who wasted their time when they could have spent that time on more promising students.
To re-iterate: Weeding out has always been an element of college education. It long precedes the decline in stanndards mandated by affirmative-action policies.
Lowering standards: I did not suggest that anyone here suggested that. I am talking about the constant pressure of students to make their own lives easier. It is insisted by the Woke that the only possible reason blacks do badly in college is racism, thus preferences will fix it. In fact, poorer performance can be attributed to: 1) poor inner city schools, 2) kids from broken homes where 3) there are no books and no encouragement to study 4) in a culture that derides study as “acting white”, with maybe 5) a lower average IQ and 6) academic mismatch due to affirmative action.
By the way, lowering standards and students taking “studies” courses hurt all races. Plenty of white kids from rich families graduate with no knowledge and a useless degree.
It is insisted by the Woke that the only possible reason blacks do badly in college is racism, thus preferences will fix it.
And professors have been reporting pressure to lower standards for the sake of poorly performing black students. Complaints and accusations from black students. Pressure from deans and other administrators.
…homes where…there are no books…
I know some college-educated people who do not read books for pleasure or for general education outside their professions. I worry a bit about their children, because children do learn by emulation and are therefore less likely to become lifelong readers if their parents are not. I know that the good habits I acquired were ones I saw my parents practice while the good habits I struggle to develop were ones that I did not see my parents practice.
…homes where…there are no books…
In the great majority of black American homes there are no books and the parents do not read.
“ In January, a traditional medicine seller was arrested after a man drank a ‘bullet-repelling’ liquid and was shot dead.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11279901/Nigerian-boy-12-shot-dead-older-brother-fathers-rifle.html
“In January, a traditional medicine seller was arrested after a man drank a ‘bullet-repelling’ liquid and was shot dead.”
It’s disheartening that such magical thinking persists. It’s more disheartening that “woke” intellectuals demand that we not criticize such garbage.
I sneeze in threes
Arthur C. Clarke wants to know if you are a Raman.
Not true. The admissions office can only do basic weeding out.
True. At least at my land grant college where an 1000 SAT score was pretty much in-like-Flynn. When I took one look around at many of my freshman year dormmates, decent guys but not exactly “college material”. Not that that means all that much to me in general but given the assembly line style instruction our academic institutions are based on I could pretty much tell who was going to still be around in a couple years. More fru-fru schools might be different. But then I suppose those institutions have to weed out legacies and such. And women working on that M.R.S. degree.
Though I might argue most actually *should* be weeded out. A college education is a waste of time for even most professional people and has been shown to do significant damage to society in general.
True enough, but there are things that will only be grasped by those 3 or 4 SD to the right
Earnest Rutherford has been quoted as saying something to the effect that a scientific theory was suspect if one could not explain it to a barmaid. Now while I believe that to be a bit of an exaggeration, it has some degree of merit in many regards. There are things that may only be grasped by such people in an academic environment. People who fail to grasp many other things. There are those who ‘grasp’ things because they are told them. Others only grasp things when they are examined from different directions. I trust the latter much more than the former. Academic world puts more trust in the former.
Few dropped out at my university, but its admissions process was pretty selective (SAT and ACT and interviews.) But plenty of freshmen did get weeded out of the chemistry and physics programs by those first two semesters of chem, phys, and calc. Nearly all of them switched to other majors rather than leave the university.
…There are those who ‘grasp’ things because they are told them. Others only grasp things when they are examined from different directions…
Deep understanding usually takes a while: The Feynman Lectures on Physics were aimed at undergraduates, but Feynman and the rest of the Cal Tech faculty found that they were much more suited to grad students. And the Cal Tech students were top-tier.
I know some college-educated people who do not read books for pleasure or for general education outside their professions. I worry a bit about their children, because children do learn by emulation and are therefore less likely to become lifelong readers if their parents are not.
I know a good number of such people myself. They are most of the people that I know. Rarely have I had the sorts of conversations we have here with anyone in meat space. The one guy IRL I’ve had most such conversations with is blind. Literally cannot think of anyone else right now. My parents read books occasionally but I would not call them lifelong readers. Though after he retired my father read a decent amount of history. But most of that was WWII and similar American history with which he was both familiar and a reluctant participant. They were not directly familiar with the GreatBooks, so called. It was my curiosity to read them. While I gathered a great deal from Twain and Tolstoy and Tolkien and beyond, much of that time was wasted on crap. I worry about people who spend too much time reading and not enough time doing. A young man learns more turning wrenches under a car that he is restoring than he is likely to get from J.D. Salinger or Nabokov.
I worry about people who spend too much time reading and not enough time doing. A young man learns more turning wrenches under a car that he is restoring than he is likely to get from J.D. Salinger or Nabokov.
Victor Davis Hanson would largely agree with you. He has remarked that most of the academics he has known were clueless about “the real world”, utterly lacking in mechanical skills, and neurotic to boot. But I am sure that he would say that his academic education was also valuable and the problem with education is not education itself but its current divorce from the real world. Few people with PhD’s are like the Greek tragedians who were also farmers, soldiers, etc.
But apparently, we must now go to the cinema to support causes, or swear fealty or something. Which actually sounds like a terrible reason to go to the cinema.
That.
Organic Chem was just not that hard. And it really does come in handy in medicine.
That.
It does rather suggest a mindset accustomed to deference and indulgence. Of being, as it were, fabulous by default.
To gleefully badmouth straight people in general as “idiots” and “homophobes,” and to disdain non-leftist gay people, and to then complain when those same people, the ones being insulted, find better things to do with their time and money is… a bit rich. As if the self-inflicted dramas and niche in-jokes of a tiny, self-regarding subculture – uniformly middle-class, leftist homosexuals who live in New York – were, or should be, catnip to the rest of us.
Talk about vanity.
And regarding Mr Breslow.
Based on what I was seeing in the media, I was expecting to see much, much worse…
Thank you for this link, I will pass it on to a dear friend in Dublin. Last October she and I were in Florida to photograph a wedding and spent a couple of days at her brother’s home in St. James City on Pine Island. I zoomed in and, as I expected, his home is intact. He chose to stay and the odds were in his favor since he builds homes – his house is as “hurricane-proof” as can be expected with specialized material. I daresay he has a very busy year ahead of him to rebuild his town.
Happy to see the tiki bar across the street from him made it, too.
No no no, the box office failure was fault of audience to show up … cuz homophobia or something.
According to this link, Bill Eichner has a lifelong hatred of heterosexuals and masculine gay men. (Link courtesy of Sarah Hoyt at Instanpundit):
This is of a piece with the film’s ideological slant, which is entirely positioned from the LGBTQ+ or queer philosophy, which rejects the larger, mainstream culture as “heteronormative” and oppressive.
Anger and resentment against the larger culture runs through the film. Consider a revealing moment when Bobby bitterly recounts events from his youth when authority figures in the form of acting teachers pointed out to him that his flamboyant, camp mannerisms will likely restrict the type of roles he will be able to play.
The script lets this indignation spill into the rest of the film, as not only does Bobby express his disdain at Aaron and Aaron’s high school friend Josh (Ryan Faucett) for being masculine gay men, but they’re also basically dismissed as not being the right kind of gay man.
They’re not “queer.”
they’re also basically dismissed as not being the right kind of gay man.
Reminiscent of the “butch” lesbians of the 60’s and 70’s who despised feminine lesbians.
For that matter, it’s also reminiscent of the gay men who loathed women and the lesbians who found men physically nauseating.
Pay attention, kids, a sociologist is speaking.
Pay attention, kids, a sociologist is speaking.
I did like this reply:
Again, it starts with the first lie. After that, absurdities are pretty much inevitable.
These couple of posts clarify something for me. There are butch and lipstick lesbians. There are very effeminate and more masculine gays. But according to the current zeitgeist, the effeminate gays are actually women and the butch lesbians are actually men. Apparently lots of homosexuals have been doing it wrong for generations.
The guy’s drama teacher was right.
Yeah, without sharing bathrooms women would not know they are women. FFS. Say anything.
Pay attention, kids, a sociologist is speaking.
If you poke about, you’ll see that Mr Hope, our sociologist – sorry, ethnographer – has the obligatory attributes – modish pronouns, rote leftist politics, mental health problems, magical thinking, and an inability to sustain coherent argument when things don’t immediately go his way.
Still, we should “dismantle” the belief that these people exist, when clearly they don’t exist, at all, because a woke sociologist says so.
If you laugh at this, you’re a terrible, terrible person.