Your Standards Are Holding You Back
Via Rafi, a peek into the world of Brooklyn hipsterdom, where the “unsung heroes of the new new left” – who are “culturally potent” and “extremely online” – gather at a loft party in search of love, and to announce how radical and fabulous they are:
The roster tonight is heavy on extremely online political-media types. The podcaster and performer Katie Halper tells me she’s a fourth-generation socialist from the Upper West Side who used to attend a summer camp once affiliated with a communist organisation called the International Workers Order… Nearby, Sarah Leonard, who, at 30, is a veteran of the lefty-journalism orbit, tells me she’s launching a Marxist-feminist glossy called Lux, named for Rosa Luxemburg.
We learn,
At least in Brooklyn, and the spiritual Brooklyns of America, calling yourself a socialist sounds sexier than anything else out there.
Yes, sexy socialism.
The guests of honour tonight are the creators of Red Yenta, a new DIY dating platform: Marissa Brostoff, 33, a grad student at CUNY, and Mindy Isser, 28, an organiser in Philly. “I was complaining about how socialist men don’t date socialist women and it really bothers me,” Isser says.
Now there’s a sentence. It seems that the ladies and gents who feel compelled to announce their revolutionary ambitions, and their pronouns, and various mental health issues, aren’t meeting quotas for finding each other attractive. Which is baffling, really, given the bait on offer:
Libertarian socialist (28, she/her) seeks similar (27-35, he/him) to join forces against non-consensual power dynamics (capitalism, white supremacy, etc.)
And,
Tall, tired communist seeking friends, casual dating… Likes: citrus fruit, weird music, using progressive stack to cut men off at meetings.
And,
38, he/him, likes women… Maoism and Star Trek.
Ms Isser’s indignation at the thought of socialist women being romantically shunned, even by fellow socialists, was aired in December in a Twitter howling session, during which extensive use was made of exclamation marks. After much exasperated rumbling, Ms Isser concluded that the fault must lie solely with men, and that “straight men are shallow and sexist even when they’re socialists.” Thereby proving that, contrary to legend, ladies of the left are in no way high-maintenance or difficult to please.
“Our politics reflect who we are!!!!!” said she. Which is rather the problem, I think.
Which is to say, it’s the problem of being a poseur and an insufferable narcissist in a room full of other poseurs and insufferable narcissists. The odds of finding anyone even half as fascinating as they find themselves must be quite slim.*
For those of you morbidly curious, yes, samples from the socialist-only dating platform can be savoured here. I leave it to readers to ponder the frequency with which the terms polyamory, open relationship and nonmonog occur.
Oh, and this:
The yentas aren’t aware of anyone who’s found love through their accounts yet.
Make of that what you will.
*Added via the comments.
Communists are an ugly freakshow. To the surprise of no-one.
…Katie Halper tells me she’s a fourth-generation socialist from the Upper West Side…
Four generations of trying to destroy the system that gives them the opportunity to live a pampered and cushy existence and seemingly not one of them have ever caught a clue.
I’d like to see Ms. Halper get Maduroed and then see if she’s still a socialist.
Too many man-buns.
“socialist men don’t date socialist women and it really bothers me,” Isser says.
Actually laughing.
Actually laughing.
I suppose it’s the problem of being a poseur and insufferable narcissist in a room full of other poseurs and insufferable narcissists. The odds of finding anyone even half as fascinating as they find themselves must be quite slim.
Also, this: “Pinkos have more fun.”
By not getting laid.
I’m reminded of a line from my closest friend: “Too go-go for the gulag.”
Libertarian socialist…
They don’t know what words mean. They don’t know what anything means.
What do “progressive stack” and “nonmonog” mean?
What do “progressive stack” and “nonmonog” mean?
“Nonmonog” is short for non-monogamous.
“Progressive stacking” is a policy currently fashionable in woke academia, whereby disfavoured identity groups – say, white males – can be ignored or excluded during class discussions. If acknowledged at all, they must be last in the queue.
If it sounds creepy and invidious, to say nothing of racist, that’s because it is.
I am disappointed about progressive stacking. I hoped that might be something to watch on xhamster.
…join forces against non-consensual power dynamics (capitalism, white supremacy, etc.)
Which shall be destroyed by force.
“Tall, tired communist”
Somehow, this doesn’t sell itself to me as much as, say, “hot babe with large boobs, willing to go to any lengths.”
I think this is the problem with the left: they think they can sell themselves using descriptions that turn normal people off. I suspect though that “Tall, tired communist” won’t be having any “short, lively little reds” anytime soon.
So at this party, do they divvy up their antipsychotics according to need, or do wymyn and POC get first dibs?
The issue is, most Socialists expect their partner to be as woke as them. So non-political people (which is most of humankind), come across as “unwoke” or reactionary. That’s not even including genuine conservatives, who would be beyond the pale – sleeping with the enemy. In contrast conservatives generally tolerate non-political people – it doesn’t bother them because their ideology is not all consuming.
So at this party, do they divvy up their antipsychotics according to need, or do wymyn and POC get first dibs?
Well, again, the number of love-seeking lefties who boast of their mental health problems as if they were a credential – “neurotic as fuck,” as one creature puts it – does catch the eye.
poseurs and insufferable narcissists
Who just elected a lunatic to Congress to join the dozens already there. Why this isn’t illegal escapes me.
OTOH, apparently these types don’t think much of each other either. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1081625758500638721
If it sounds creepy and invidious, to say nothing of racist, that’s because it is.
That.
That.
And remember, our Tall, Tired Communist thinks that boasting about such policies – policies intended to frustrate and exclude random men based solely on their skin colour – will somehow attract lovely people.
The yentas aren’t aware of anyone who’s found love through their accounts yet.
I imagine that being confronted with a mirror-image of your own narcissistic repulsiveness is a bit of a turn-off.
If anyone has trouble with comments not appearing, email me and I’ll tickle the spam filter.
I imagine that being confronted with a mirror-image of your own narcissistic repulsiveness is a bit of a turn-off.
[ Slides along bar a bowl of discoloured and well-thumbed peanuts. ]
Marissa Brostoff, 33, a grad student at CUNY…
Wow. What a catch. Wonder if she still lives with Mom and Dad? I’m sure they’re so proud…
…poseurs and insufferable narcissists…
But enough of Congressthing Chiquita Khrushchev…
Yep.
The difficult thing is that these vermin aren’t “Brooklyn”, they are a small ghetto in the larger borough that wants little or nothing to do with them. The most galling part is that they are so vile that they make me defend a place I’d just as soon give to North Korea.
Labor activist and aspiring historian/sci-fi writer looking for friends/open relationships. Tell me about your student debt and let’s cry together.
Hard pass.
Tell me about your student debt and let’s cry together.
Or, “I also make bad, life-ruining choices. Let’s date, baby.”
“They don’t know what words mean. They don’t know what anything means.”
Oh, they know. They stole “liberal” from us, and now they’re going after “libertarian”.
“Tall, tired communist seeking friends, casual dating… Likes: citrus fruit, weird music, using progressive stack to cut men off at meetings.”
“Look at meeeee! I’m weird and interesting!”
Yet more evidince that this stuff is simply delayed adolescence.
Also, what TDK said. Oddly enough, I’m reminded of this history of the Spectator, published at the weekend, summed up in a quote from its founder, Joseph Addison, in 1711:
“The difficult thing is that these vermin aren’t “Brooklyn”, they are a small ghetto in the larger borough that wants little or nothing to do with them.”
I think it was Instapundit which linked to a survey the other day showing that 18% of Americans think of socialism in a positive light. Which is still way, way too many for comfort, but it’s far from being the new hotness that the Democrat-media complex would like us to believe. In fact, given that we’re thirty years out of the Cold War now and socialism wasn’t as completely unspeakable in America before it as you might think, particularly in the ’30s, I’d almost count that figure as a bit of a failure for the Lefties. I mean, a party now run by actual Communists won 40% of the vote here in the UK last time out. I dream of that dropping to 18.
I’m no expert, but shouldn’t they be dating communally? And equally?
This preference of dating has a distinct individualistic streak.
Wasn’t there a country western song with lyrics something like “let’s get drunk and do something stupid”?
calling yourself a socialist sounds sexier than anything else out there
Take that, Dad! I’m dating a bad he/him!
“Let’s do something cheap and superficial
Let’s do something that we might regret
Let’s do something shabby and insensitive
Cause this might be the only chance we’ll get.”
Performed by Burt Reynolds.
I’d almost count that figure as a bit of a failure for the Lefties.
https://www.trevorloudon.com/2019/02/trevor-loudons-2019-list-of-socialists-and-communists-in-congress/
Here’s the whole song:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bNKwX8DpDiw
Is there something about man-buns that causes brain damage or is it just an indicator?
“Wasn’t there a country western song…”
I thought you were referring to Jimmy Buffet’s ‘Why Don’t We Get Drunk and Screw?”:
https://genius.com/Jimmy-buffett-why-dont-we-get-drunk-and-screw-lyrics
When you care enough to send the very worst.
Is there something about man-buns that causes brain damage or is it just an indicator?
Heh. Like blue hair and Far Side glasses, it’s not a styling choice that inspires great confidence.
The fact that NYC leftists are having a difficult time procreating is the best news I’ve heard all year.
Best headline of all time, which I encountered while surfing. Unfortunately, the bookmark didn’t work, but here it is:
Did Bolton Blow North Korea?
😄😊
It must be stressful being in a relationship where you’re never sure what you can and can’t say. When your woke partner is likely to explode at any moment for no good reason, it becomes obvious why there’s no interdating.
…list-of-socialists-and-communists-in-congress/
So…not entirely wrong ?
Make of that what you will.
Okay! How about: The yentas aren’t aware of anyone who’s found love
through their accounts yet.“Is there something about man-buns that causes brain damage or is it just an indicator?”
I believe it’s a manstrual flag
Little
Communism and it’s cousin, socialism is for the very dull, non creative, easily controlled, insecure, mentally and/or emotionally disturbed people.
There is Zero joy in that world it’s all about making sure that your neighbor has absolutely nothing to envy.
Labor activist and aspiring historian/sci-fi writer looking for friends/open relationships. Tell me about your student debt and let’s cry together.
While the politics make this candidate a non-starter, it’s the “aspiring historian/sci-fi writer” that triggered me.
You’re either a historian/sci-fi writer or you’re not, snowflake. Pick one.
And from the tweet thread where she thinks she’s struck a raw nerve among socialist dudebros. No raw nerve on her side…
I imagine that there’s a small number of charming, politically talented men in that community, with a gaggle of wonkettes trying to catch their attention. Those men have choices, and they prefer to date women who are nice to women who aren’t nice.
Outside that orbit, there are plenty of pajamaboys who might be interested in the wonkettes, but whose status, low to begin with, is lowered even more by the workings of the progressive stack. The politically talented men know how to turn it against their rivals, while presenting themselves as woke and modest and chivalrous. Less politically talented men end up with a sign on them saying “publically humiliate me”. It doesn’t make them attractive.
re: 18%
A big chunk of that number is Millenials: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-02/millennials-prefer-socialism-capitalism
The voting age needs to be raised to 40, and anyone with student debt barred from voting until its paid off.
A big chunk of that number is Millenials
“Millennials”. Damn all double letters!
[ Slides along bar a bowl of discoloured and well-thumbed peanuts. ]
Thanks! Although… they smell a bit, er… pissy*.
Actually, now I look closer some of them aren’t peanuts at all; they’re moving for one thing…
*peenuts?
I thought you were referring to Jimmy Buffet’s ‘Why Don’t We Get Drunk and Screw?”
Just remembered: “Let’s do something cheap and superficial, let’s do something we might both regret…”
this is my #1 life annoyance
A healthy sense of proportion, then.
“Our politics reflect who we are,” says she. Which, again, is rather the problem, I think.
Landlord, a drink for Pogonip!
But enough of Congressthing Chiquita Khrushchev..
– Or maybe, now that she insists she’s the Boss and has her very own dark-money scandal, Alexandria Ocasio-Clinton?
There is Zero joy in that world it’s all about making sure that your neighbor has absolutely nothing to envy.
I’m trying to remember where I read the joke that explained Churchill’s quip about the virtue of socialism being equal sharing of misery:
Boris and Vladimir are two dirt-poor communists living on the cream of the Worker’s Paradise; which is to say, starving to death. Boris has one goat; Vladimir doesn’t even have that. One day Vladimir comes-across a bottle in the mud and, hoping there’s something inside, he starts wiping the mud off it. Out pops a genie – “I am the Genie of the muddy bottle; I grant you one wish.”
Vladimir says, “I wish Boris’s goat would die.”
Apologies, this is slightly off topic save for leftist lunacy.
“Colorism”, when a black actor isn’t black enough to play a real life black person who was blacker.
Soon – Casting by Pantone.
…who used to attend a summer camp once affiliated with a communist organisation…
Life imitates art! Remember the “socialist summer camp” line that Woody Allen used in Annie Hall?
“Our politics reflect who we are,” says she. Which, again, is rather the problem, I think.
That. 🙂
Also, Instalanche.
Also, Instalanche.
[ Hands out combs and breath mints. ]
Remember the “socialist summer camp” line that Woody Allen used in Annie Hall?
Report for your scolding, Woody.
Do these people choose friends and acquaintances by personal pronouns used?
Jim
[I can post today David. Over several days I couldn’t access your site to post comments. I presume there was a selective bug in the system?]
Over several days I couldn’t access your site to post comments.
I’ve no idea what the issue was. But I can imagine the depth of your suffering.
Do these people choose friends and acquaintances by personal pronouns used?
They communicate quite clearly to me that I needn’t bother coming within earshot.
What do “progressive stack” and “nonmonog” mean?
“Nonmonog” is apparently merely another label for non-monogamous . . .
For “progressive stack” I’m expecting the term comes from someone having fantasies of being mistaken for being able to claim to be technically competent at the level of an actual adult professional computer coder and administrator.
I’m expecting the term comes from…
Not likely, more likely, as they like to style themselves as “warriors”, from stacking, as military/SWAT “stack” by lining up to breech a door and clear rooms.
The “progressive stack” would then be SJWs lining up to hog a mike or podium and crowding out normal people.
Hi Steve E,
That was what I thought when David posted the article about the liberal women who were bewildered when their husbands or boyfriends tired of their 24/7 ranting about Trump. I remember one guy politely said “I don’t like who you’ve become,” then kicked the ranter to the curb. Living with people like this would be exhausting.
The fact that NYC leftists are having a difficult time procreating is the best news I’ve heard all year.
Procreate? These loons can’t even find willing volunteers with whom to woo, much less engage in an intimate sex act.
I’m expecting the term comes from…
Not likely, more likely, as they like to style themselves as “warriors”, from stacking, as military/SWAT “stack” by lining up to breech a door and clear rooms.
Ehhhhnnnn . . . . . A claim to be “”warriors””—double quotes deliberate—would definitely be from their having run across the term over the years . . . However, of military stack vs coding stack, which of the two are they genuinely most likely to have run into on many occasions and thus actually be familiar with?
I’m thinking they’re encountering laptops much more than boots . . . .
But I can imagine the depth of your suffering.
David, it’s like a day without sunshine!
[ Hands out combs and breath mints. ]
<uses comb to flick breath mints at Farnsworth>
What? It wasn’t me.
…most likely to have run into on many occasions and thus actually be familiar with?
Obscure computer nerd term, or something widely seen on TV (shows and news), movies, and video games and more aptly describes what a line of people at a meeting in a ? Probably the latter.
I’m thinking…
Now there is a slow hanger.
They keep throwing around that word “libertarian” as if it’s synonymous with fascism.
Chiquita Khrushchev
Thank you, Farnsworth. After I finish wiping my tears of delight, I’m sooooo stealing that.
Meanwhile in Seattle, an important, bold, revolutionary resistance movement, sure to bring down Trump, and you can watch it live.
Katie Halper tells me she’s a fourth-generation socialist from the Upper West Side
According to her web page, Ms. Halper graduated from, and currently teaches at, the Dalton School in Manhattan.
Oddly, her socialist parents sent her to an elite prep school, not to New York City public schools.
Even more oddly, Ms. Halper teaches at an elite prep school, not at some inner-city public school.
Curious, that.
@Hal, having been in both worlds (soldier and coder), the coder version of the phrase makes no sense here while the police/military one feeds their desire to appear to be “fighting the man”.
But, hey, I’m sure you have insights to both cultures that would amaze those of us who have been in both.
Thereby proving that, contrary to legend, ladies of the left are in no way high-maintenance or difficult to please.
LOL. That.
LOL. That.
I quite like that brief exchange. Ms Isser insists that the only possible explanation for far-left ladies not getting dates is men being “shallow” and not seeing women – any women – as “full human beings.” When someone politely questions this, asking if there might be other variables to consider, Ms Isser gets quite tetchy and immediately flatters herself, announcing that she must have “touched a nerve,” before adding, rather hastily, “I’m not gonna keep engaging with you.”
It’s funny how little things can tell you quite a bit about who someone is, and what they won’t allow themselves to think about.
announcing that she must have “touched a nerve,” before adding, rather hastily, “I’m not gonna keep engaging with you.”
Lefties project. 🙂
Lefties project. 🙂
Well, yes. Even now, it’s an odd thing to watch.
Likewise, when Ms Isser tells anyone who disagrees that they must be “butthurt” by her own immensely radical bravery, and that anyone who dares to question her assumptions – again, even politely – should “move along” and ask themselves “why you never date socialist women,” i.e., women such as herself. And she does all this while giving a textbook demonstration of obnoxious self-flattery, gratuitous rudeness, and hair-trigger indignation. Enacting the archetype of Disagreeable Scold.
The obliviousness is quite funny, in a tragic sort of way.
@Hal, having been in both worlds (soldier and coder), the coder version of the phrase makes no sense here while the police/military one feeds their desire to appear to be “fighting the man”.
Oh. Oops. Well, reading the actual statement would help you.
I myself hadn’t previously run across the military version, but as one who did actually read that reference up there, the one being . . . . Tall, tired communist seeking friends, casual dating… Likes: citrus fruit, weird music, using progressive stack to cut men off at meetings.. . . .
That would be a quite single—as noted—individual who then talks of some sort of stack that the one person there is making use of.
The military version might be plausible if there had been a we or us in there, but . . . . . . .
…socialist men are more concerned with dating someone pretty and chill than someone who shares their values and challenges them …
This should, of course, read:
…socialist men are more concerned with dating someone pretty and chill than me, those bastards!
This should, of course, read…
It wouldn’t, I think, be an unfair inference. An awful lot of feminist grumbling seems to follow that pattern. And note the conceit that a man who dates a socialist woman, a woman like Ms Isser, say – would be challenged – presumably, by her heroic and radical awesomeness.
At risk of being ungentlemanly, I suspect better words, more honest words, would be bored, nagged and aggravated.
feminist grumbling …
I’m trying to decide whether I want to use the word ‘oxymoron’ or try to turn ‘superfluous’ into a noun.
It’s early and I have run out of coffee.
I have run out of coffee.
[ Strokes coffee mug. ]
Also: LOL at their ‘dating platform’- it’s twitter/instagram and manual (ctrl c/v) labour.
How very communiste.
How in the world are these people getting media coverage for this shit?
How in the world are these people getting media coverage for this shit?
While the real issues that threaten liberty go unnoticed, not just by the press but by its own advocates.
It’s because we’re more a culture of gossips than of functional advocates and mechanics.
… immensely radical bravery, and that anyone who dares to question her assumptions …
Speaking of which, though there have been similar videos posted here, the link at the bottom is a rather remarkable video of Steven Crowder being confronted by an immensely brave radical who, not unlike Tide Pod Evita, is apparently immensely proud but abjectly ignorant of being abjectly ignorant, but has all the talking points down pat.
The clown’s comments about Israel (what the hell that has to do with abortion is a bit of a mystery other than getting all the leftist bafflegab in) show a particular lack of having done any actual study on the matter #Ethiopian Jews, #Arabs in the Kinesset, #Bedouin Scouts.
“I’m here to shut down your bullshit”…Crowder with the patience of a proverbial plaster saint. (Work caution for occasional naughty words.)
Progressive Stacking has an entry on Wikipedia
@SumDumGuy
From the Wiki references:
So per Wiki it is a stacking of people who get to speak according to their Oppression Lotto status, not wholly unlike a SWAT stack would have the door kicker first and the other members lined up according to their assigned tasks, and not some obscure computer nerd term one applies to one’s self.
Clearly Wiki and the references are wrong.
What happens when you make a movie to please the Feminist SJWs
Meanwhile in Seattle
Seems in keeping with what I read about that city, and other Dem strongholds.
Briefly perusing the linked thread, I noticed the assertion that “Trump’s wall is illegal”. Whence does that notion arise? AFAIK, there’s no law on the books prohibiting the Federal government from building a physical barrier along any or all of our borders in fulfillment of the governmental duty to protect the territorial integrity of the country.
Or is this just another case of “I don’t like this, therefore it must be illegal”?
Or is this just another case of “I don’t like this, therefore it must be illegal”?
Short answer, yes.
There are many places that already have real walls for example, El Paso, Texas that have been shown to be effective.
Also, “because Trump”.
SJW SSDD.
Boys. Must I explain Code 9000 or do you feel me yet?
Hi Farnsworth,
Re the stack: seems simple enough to get around. Just announce (verbosely, for authenticity) that you identify as a queer differently abled person of color, and zoom right to the head of the line!
…Code 9000…
Not sure what a post code in Namibia or a Belgian techo duo has to do with anything…
I dunno, Pogonip. My preferred approach would be to assert my privilege and just barge to the head of the line (or “the bonnet of the queueue,” as our Imperial hosts might say). Anyone trying to put me in my place would be asked whether my privilege were real. If real, then obviously whatever I want to say takes precedence. I mean, what’s the point of even having privilege if one must wait until the hoi-polloi have all belched out whatever codswallop is rattling around their heads? If, on the other hand, my privilege were fictional, then there’s no reason to punish me, so just hand me the damn microphone already!
Never give a sucker an even break.
From the Wiki on stacking: “The progressive stack technique attempts to counter what its proponents believe is a flaw in traditional representative democracy, where the majority is heard while the minority or non-dominant groups are silenced or ignored.”
To which the Founding Fathers would ask (in a chorus, if it amuses you): “What part of ‘Electoral College’ do you not understand?”
Apropos of nothing at all, really, in my younger or bare-metal coding days, I had an officemate. Who was one day explaining a difficulty he was having. I soon noticed that he referred to pretty much every data structure in his code as a “stack”. When I questioned this, as a possible source of his problems (e.g. Why are you calling this doubly linked list a stack?) he got quite upset, and stated that all such structures were “stacks”.
Maybe there was no connection, but this same guy tried to punch me one evening, when he interpreted my saying that I was going to be working late that night, as a personal insult directed at him. He was soon thereafter let go, after he tore up his performance review in his manager’s face, during the review. That guy was a Millennial, just born forty years too early.
SJW SSDD.
Same shit, different day?
Or single-sided double-density?
Both are accurate.
“The progressive stack technique attempts to counter what its proponents believe is a flaw in traditional representative democracy, where the majority is heard while the minority or non-dominant groups are silenced or ignored.”
To which the Founding Fathers would ask (in a chorus, if it amuses you): “What part of ‘Electoral College’ do you not understand?”
Also: “Do you now understand that “Democratic Socialism” is not any less unjust merely because a sufficient number of people vote to rob other people?”
… what its proponents believe is a flaw in traditional representative democracy, where the majority is heard while the minority or non-dominant groups are silenced or ignored.
To state the obvious, they don’t give a damn about representative democracy (not that a “meeting” outside of a congress or parliament is a meeting of a representative democracy), what they really want is a mobocracy in which they are the majority, and if not, their technique is to silence or ignore any other group, dominant, subdominant, or tonic, until they get they way.
IOW, SJW SSDD.
Squid’s tactic is fun, too.
I just looked on IG for the RY account.
A few warning signs that an idiot like me who hates marketing can see:
1) There are no photos of socialist seekers in the account, only text listings and account blurbs, including one that likes “socialist icon dolly parton” (lower case in original). This is on Instagram, which is about pictures or memes.
2) The few pictures that are on it are either someone else’s content (Pic from the movie “Clueless” without a callback, big no-no for IG) or low info such as an article screenshot.
3) The relentless black squares of the account blurbs look terrible. There’s a reddish icon in the corner but it looks drab as heck.
These are all the opposite of what the hucksters trying to sell things (or themselves) are doing in their self-promotional pages. I wouldn’t be surprised if AOC’s PACs gave them money.
I just hid and blocked them so I never have to be subjected to that again.
…socialist men are more concerned with dating someone pretty and chill than someone who shares their values and challenges them …
Let me see if I’ve got her “logic” (quote marks unavoidable) straight: Socialist men refuse to date socialist women, so she’s starting a service where socialist women can find socialist men to date? Umm…