Things Fall From Her Mouth
“Men are trash” is a “positive observation.” And full of hope. According to Laurie Penny.
Because modern masculinity – whether yours or mine, or your husband’s or brother’s – “wounds everyone” and is “grounded in sexual violence.”
Via Tim Newman, who adds some thoughts of his own.
I meant it to be a hopeful and positive observation
Worst. Excuse. Ever.
Worst. Excuse. Ever.
Somehow, incredibly, it’s not entirely convincing.
Laurie was educated at Oxford and Harvard, you know.
And of course the drama unfolds in the usual way.
Laurie says something stupid and insulting to at least half the planet’s population, and does it proudly. Several people reply with tweeted mockery. Laurie claims that her deep and radical wisdom has “frightened” her male critics. Someone asks Laurie if her statement means that her father was “trash” and “toxic” too. Laurie promptly shifts into victimhood mode, dismisses such questions as the work of “trolls” and “slimeballs,” and claims to be receiving a “huge amount of harassment,” “threats” and “horrific abuse,” evidence of which is not forthcoming.
And of course the drama unfolds in the usual way.
Because modern masculinity – whether yours or mine, or your husband’s or brother’s – “wounds everyone” and is “grounded in sexual violence.”
What kind of men does she hang out with?
What kind of men does she hang out with?
Well, quite. Lots of lefties and male feminists, presumably – people who are, as she puts it, struggling to “reclaim their full humanity.” Laurie’s cartoon of masculinity as something “toxic” and oppressive, and rooted in “sexual violence,” doesn’t remotely describe my brothers-in-law, nephews or male friends. And I doubt that the women I know would willingly associate with, let alone marry, the monsters of Laurie’s imaginings.
What “women and minorities” want is all the benefits of living in a civilization built and maintained by white men, but without the white men. You have to be a special kind of stupid not to to see the contradiction. Also, Zimbabwe.
If I was connected to either of those institutions I’d see about taking out an injunction to stop her from letting people know we were daft enough to accept and then matriculate her. On the other hand if I was actually connected to either institution my conservatarian ideas would have already seen me thrown out on my ear, so on second thought they’re probably both quite proud of her.
Sigh.
” All men are trash.” Says Laurie – ” Except my dad.”
#NotAllMen
Adam. I am a journalism fellow at Harvard.
…and an obnoxious braggart, too.
Jeez, what a toxic mess.
Somwhow reading The Guardian is still a sign that you belong to the ruling class, rather than that you’re a nutter. I wonder how long that’s going to last.
What’s it like being Laurie Penny? Is it like being a bug?
What kind of men does she hang out with?
Lots of lefties and male feminists, presumably
That.
Umm – Laurie uses the term “human”. It has the word “man” in it, and this is problematic. We like to use the term “hu-people”. She has much to learn from my Prime Minister. We can all learn from each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z10goVbpLw0
That.
It’s not an entirely flip or trivial point. Judging by Laurie’s own tweets and articles, she actively avoids company that’s insufficiently leftwing, and her social circle seems to consist largely of far-left misfits and polyamorist suitors who presumably share her taste for disdaining bourgeois proprieties. If, as she claims, the men she associates with are so prone to obnoxious behaviour and neurotic dysfunction – more than chance alone would seem to allow – perhaps that’s less to do with men in general and more a feature of her chosen sub-group.
Laurie was educated at Oxford and Harvard, you know.
IOW, basically as dumb as a creosote post without the creosote.
Because modern masculinity…
Here, once again, we get into trouble because the left refuses to define terms. I suspect, as Tim Newman and others point out, just as the Prius driving lady who encountered the “redneck”, that Miss Penny only has hands on (as it were) experience with modern “men” of the left who represent the actual “modern” masculinity i.e, the “soyboy” self professed male feminists, and not the traditional masculinity of male as the provider (except for the gathering of berries and making sammiches) and protector of the family unit.
The concept of the never defined “toxic masculinity”, OTOH, is really nothing more than an excuse for the likes of Miss Penny to refuse actually to engage with any traditional males as their concept of them is just like that of Little Miss Busted-Prius who have a cartoon image of any male outside their circle of jerks as being a Budweiser swilling, gap-toothed, mullet wearing, 6th grade dropout, (or metric equivalent) who is at first chance going to bend them over the hood of their sparky cars and kick them to the curb after they have had their way – and then to go invade a “brown” country to steal all the natural resources.
Miss Penny only has hands on (as it were) experience with modern “men” of the left who represent the actual “modern” masculinity i.e, the “soyboy” self professed male feminists
I suspect there are lots of these in her circles and I’m sure she only has contempt for weasels who’ll endure four hours of lecturing and self-abasement in exchange for two minutes of joyless coupling.
But the lefty scene also has a lot of predators who find fucked-up feminists easy to manipulate. I’d bet Penny has woken up after more than a few nights, where she’s been exhorted to break boundaries and put aside bourgeois notions, feeling degraded and used.
@MC
You are correct, but the two groups are not always mutually exclusive.
IIRC, Penny spent an evening in the company of Milo Yiannopoulos and others of the *cough* “facist, alt-right” and was actually enjoying the experience until she was shamed for wrong-think by her leftist peers. Thus, Tim Newman’s observation is undoubtedly spot-on. Undoubtedly, though she revels in tossing about epithets at men, like the Prius-driving, Trump-hating bint of recent discussion, she’d be the first to avail herself of the “toxic masculinity” which deploys zip-ties to fix a car problem and does so without engaging in gratuitous “sexual violence.”
Whoops. Should’ve read Farnsworth’s comment before posting. Well, as they say, Original Thought is like Original Sin. They both happened a long time ago to people you most likely never met.
“Women are trash” = misogyny.
“Men are trash” = feminism!
It’s adorable feminism.
One hot summer’s day a feminist was strolling along till she came to a bunch of strong and capable men just hanging out. “Just the things to quench my thirst,” quoth she. She preened and she pranced, but the men were uninterested and at last she had to give up, and walked away with her nose in the air, saying: “I am sure they are sour.”
Budweiser swilling, gap-toothed, mullet wearing, 6th grade dropout, (or metric equivalent) who is at first chance going to bend them over the hood of their sparky cars and kick them to the curb after they have had their way – and then to go invade a “brown” country to steal all the natural resources.
And I was getting anxious and bored, wondering what I could possibly do with my afternoon! Thanks! BTW, is France now considered a “brown country”? Asking for a friend.
And I was getting anxious and bored, wondering what I could possibly do with my afternoon!
Or, as we call it here in the Ozarks: “Wednesday.”
Have any of these bien pensants ever defined what they mean by ‘toxic masculinity’?
As best I can tell, it seems to consist in the main of not being ashamed to be male.
We need to talk about #toxicfeminism
I take my toxic masculinity with a white whine chaser.
I think we’re all familiar with it, but it’s good to break down how this works.
“Toxic masculinity” is evil, we are told. Further, being male is prima facie evidence of being “toxic”. So, what counter-evidence might a male offer that he has been recycled and no longer a toxic piece of trash?
The only evidence acceptable is a carte blanche endorsement of the radical feminists’ ideological whims, as they mutate from day to day. And best keep up to date on such matters, lest one fall prey to the heretic hunting which necessary to all this.
Observe that it is at no point necessary in the process above to define “toxic masculinity” in any cognizable way.
It’s all a power play, of course. And no different in essence than any of the other “do as you’re told, or you’re a bigot” gambits by the Left.
Someone asks Laurie if her statement means that her father was “trash” and “toxic” too. Laurie promptly shifts into victimhood mode
You’re not supposed to talk back.
I suspect that L.P. unconsciously desires a rather dominant man to ravish her. Though, after her mind-blowing orgasm, she’d probably join #metoo.
You’re not supposed to talk back.
Laurie seems unable to construct load-bearing arguments. However sweeping and bizarre her claims may be, and they generally are, you mustn’t actually test them. They’re only for display purposes.
BTW, is France now considered a “brown country”?
Don’t ‘they’ begin at Calais? (Caveat: I failed Geography O-level.)
I’d bet Penny has woken up after more than a few nights, where she’s been exhorted to break boundaries and put aside bourgeois notions, feeling degraded and used.
That’s a bet you’d win: http://www.desertsun.co.uk/blog/?p=4801
“The women’s website Bustle banned the word “flattering” because it implies there’s an ideal shape for a woman, and we all know women aren’t interested in looks.”
Bustle 2. n. a framework worn at the back below the waist for giving fullness to a woman’s skirt.
Tim, you’re supposed to be skiing! Take off those bullshit waders, put on your snow boots, and get out there and have FUN!
I take my toxic masculinity with a white whine chaser.
Yes, because you are a racist misogynist, otherwise you would have pinot noir whine.
wastes so much human potential
Translation: I see myself gaining more (money, status, emotional satisfaction) only if we continue to grind them down.
I take my toxic masculinity with a white whine chaser.
Yes, because you are a racist misogynist, otherwise you would have pinot noir whine.
See, that’s the problem with whinge. Not a homophone of wine…or is it? Might explain that odd dining experience in Manchester.
Remember plumber-fearing Ned Resnikoff of ThinkProgress? the (presumptively) male counterpart of Little Miss Busted-Prius? There has to be a match to be made there, with endless hours of comedy gold resulting…
Remember plumber-fearing Ned Resnikoff of ThinkProgress?
Oh yes, we mustn’t forget him.
Tim, you’re supposed to be skiing! Take off those bullshit waders, put on your snow boots, and get out there and have FUN!
Good point!
Have fun and that’s an order!
I’ve spent several years concluding Penny is immature, unintelligent, petulant and incapable of forming relationships – that’s always been the only explanation of the utter warpedness and hatred in her witterings. The only inexplicable thing is that anyone publishes her.
However there’s another explanation, just a tad more cunning and devious. And that is that even someone as risibly daft as her cannot truly believe: ‘men are trash’ – and that what we’re seeing is the result of her not having had adequate recent attention and her equivalent of hurling out a Lynton-Crosby-Dead-Cat in order to get some. This generates heat, clicks on her twitter feed with its promotion of her books, gets a dollop of attention from her sheep-like adulators, plus enables her to play the victim card. To a nigh-deranged narcissist like her that probably feels fantastic.
Of course any normal person would just feel ashamed.
Oooh, the commies are getting soooo steamed over Jordan Peterson…
That Ned guy is probably the only person in the world with plumberphobia.
Granted, most people’s grandmas probably didn’t talk much about lobster battles, Grandma Peterson evidently having been an exception. But, aside from the lobsters, I still maintain that nothing this guy says wasn’t already said by mom and grandma, so what’s all the fuss about? Do liberals think he’s the first person ever to say “clean your room” or “stand up straight”? Do his fans think that? I don’t get it.
Oooh, the commies are getting soooo steamed over Jordan Peterson…
Subhead on first link: Jordan Peterson’s thought is filled with pseudo-science, bad pop psychology, and deep irrationalism. In other words, he’s full of shit.
FTA, 1st paragraph: “In response to Newman’s statistics about the wage gap, Peterson argued that this inequality was a necessary part of the capitalist dynamic.”
As far as I’m concerned, when an author starts with ad hominem and lies, I’m just not going to waste my time reading the rest of the mendoucheous twatwafflery.
Do liberals think he’s the first person ever to say “clean your room” or “stand up straight”?
For a generation who, as has often been shown in these pages, has never been told “NO”, and/or that their bodily waste smelled like roses and warm muffins, yes, he is the first to have said this.
Oh, nooos….
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/02/07/algorithmic-bias-software-recommendations-000631