With Each Thrust
From the New York Times, Jennifer Medina on sex education for teenagers:
Consent from the person you are kissing — or more — is not merely silence or a lack of protest, Shafia Zaloom, a health educator at the Urban School of San Francisco, told the students. They listened raptly, but several did not disguise how puzzled they felt. “What does that mean — you have to say ‘yes’ every 10 minutes?” asked Aidan Ryan, 16, who sat near the front of the room. “Pretty much,” Ms. Zaloom answered. “It’s not a timing thing, but whoever initiates things to another level has to ask.
So what I’m wondering is, how do you combine “making sure each step is met” with “oral assent” in advance – a kind of self-conscious box-tickery – with a sense of, well, wild abandon? “I’m planning to reach for your bra strap, my volcanic love muffin. Is that okay?”
I just do as I’m told.
You wonder if these people have ever had sex with someone for the first time. No doubt a case of “do as I say, not what I did”.
Sex is best when it involves release forms, interruptions and extensive storyboarding. No?
“How about now?”
“Yes.”
“How about now?”
“Yes.”
“How about now?”
“Yes.”
“How about now?”
“Yes.”
“How about now?”
“Yes.”
“How about now?”
“Yes.”
I think I’ve worked out why lefties are so miserable.
It’s a minefield. And sometimes a mine explodes: http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/oct/14/oxford-university-student-annie-teriba-resigns-posts-non-consensual-sex
It’s like these people read Ayn Rand and reasoned “This women is a terrible writer, so I should behave like her villains”.
I think the ‘every ten minutes’ is a bit ambitious for a 16 year old. It’ll all be over long before then.
Rafi
I’m with you on that one.
What a world they want to live in!
I can see masturbation really taking off again amongst the 30 and 40 year old celibates.
I’m assuming that the 50 and 60 year oldies like me will, as we do, just get on with it, giving and taking as much pleasure as possible. We can see the end of the line!
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
FFS no wonder many young men are just giving up on relationships if this is the crap they have to negotiate their way through,and as many have found out to their cost a rape allegation even if totally false can have devastating repercussions.
Some thirty years ago, I was involved in such a negotiation which resulted in a written agreement between the parties attested by witnesses and and filed at our local courthouse. As I recall, I demonstrated my assent by saying, “I do.”
A wise man once told me the secret to keeping women happy.
He said “I just do whatever they tell me to, as fast as I can.”
But I can see where this advice might become “problematic”…
I can’t believe no one’s made a joke about “oral assent”.
Sex is best when it involves release forms, interruptions and extensive storyboarding. No?
So, David, are you advocating for a new genre of feminist pornography? The business in the Columbia University library wasn’t enough? It seems feminism is trying its best to turn romance into American football: a nominally 60 minute game of which only about 10 minutes is actual “action.”
I can’t believe no one’s made a joke about “oral assent”.
Oh bugger. Now you’ve set off the Problematic Innuendo Detector.
See?
I’ll have to switch it off at the mains.
I’ll have to switch it off at the mains.
Crawl through the unnecessarily large air duct.
unnecessarily large air duct.
As you can see, it’s very sensitive.
I think the whole thing is a plot by the Prostitutarchy and the Mastubatists.
Of course this is unworkable. That’s the whole purpose: to make any sex between men and women potentially criminal (for the men). The goal is to drown all healthy human interactions in a swamp of suspicion, guilt, and resentment. Only when everyone is as emotionally crippled as modern Leftists will they be able to build the omnipotent tyrannical state they long for.
George Orwell wasn’t making this shit up when he wrote 1984. He saw it. He saw the creepily sexual way that dysfunctional people worship and idealize political power. He saw how broken, unhappy people make the best recruits for mass political movements.
It’s a near guarantee that lefties will never be able to have sex. Which is good for the rest of us.
If women are so incapable of saying what they like and don’t like (as feminists seem to think) can’t we just get a waiver signed by a male relative?
He saw how broken, unhappy people make the best recruits for mass political movements.
Eric Hoffer saw that, too. It’s discouraging that we were warned 2 or 3 generations ago, and yet, we as a society still seem surprised and cought off guard by it.
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
“Am I raping you?”
“No.”
Video everything. It’s the only way to be sure.
“Video everything. It’s the only way to be sure. ”
Did you get consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
Do you still consent?
The only real solution to this is of course body cams activated prior to and during the act so that there’ll be evidence afterwards.
Alan: Right, let battle commence! [Slightly muffled] Do you like me doing that? Shall I do it more quickly or shall I maintain the same speed?
Jill: That’s fine.
Alan: Right. Shall I move on to the other one?
“Oral assent” might be difficult if your mouth is, er, full. (Sorry if that remark triggers the PID, David.)
[ Shakes overheated Disapproval Unit, tugs frantically at wires. ]
As you can see, it’s very sensitive.
Ha ha!
Somewhat related, a male student at Warwick University was unhappy about being invited to “sex consent training lessons”:
So, naturally, he’s now being branded a bigot, a misogynist, a rape apologist, etc.
I truly enjoy how the progs are essentially re-instituting Victorian morality in order to protect women…which is pretty much what Victorian morality was all about in the first place. I doubt they’d like to hear that that’s what they’re doing though.
I also find their insistence on getting government involved in the bedroom quite amusing. Wasn’t it just yesterday that they *objected* to that sort of thing? What next? A return to hard-line Christianity?
I don’t have to be taught to not be a rapist.
That.
That.
It seems to me that the correct response to such an invite – and what it implies – is to say, quite loudly, “How fucking dare you?”
Feminism: Busily proving to men that the worst thing a man can ever do for a woman is to listen to her and take her seriously.
Is it just me, or does the pinch-faced harridan produced by the DisapprovalTron 3000™ bear more than a passing resemblance to Zoe Williams in one of those constipated-looking photos people keep taking of her?
It used to be the case that the only reason any half-way sensible bloke would get involved in radical politics was the chance of boinking a few of the Sisterhood in the name of smashing bourgeois propriety or some such rubbish. Now you can’t even do that. Lefties ruin everything.
“Stop right there, young man…”
“Blimey! It’s Dinsdale of the Yard!”
[ Shakes overheated Disapproval Unit, tugs frantically at wires. ]
Gee you’re having an awful lot of fun with that.
BTW, does anyone know if feminists (or anyone involved in this definition of acceptable behaviour circus) agree that these rules apply to same-sex interactions ?
“I’m planning to reach for your bra strap, my volcanic love muffin. Is that okay?”
“Oh now you’ve totally ruined it! You should have given me a trigger warning that you were going to use the words ‘bra strap’!”
Hmmm….all very perplexing….I have to be flogged to within an inch of my pathetic worthless existence by my mistress in order to function.
Am I THEN a rapist/sex-offender/pervert when I spill my gentleman’s juice over the focus of my amour at the exact point she/he/they tell me what a disgusting worm I am?
It’s a minefield and no mistake…
BTW, does anyone know if feminists (or anyone involved in this definition of acceptable behaviour circus) agree that these rules apply to same-sex interactions ?
Yes, of course. They’re not bigots! (smirk)
I’m pretty sure the link posted above at http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/oct/14/oxford-university-student-annie-teriba-resigns-posts-non-consensual-sex is for lesbian sex.
Which means the process that some people have been mocking so rudely above is:
Person A: Would you like to have sex?
Person B: Let’s not get too hasty. One step at a time, what do you want to do first?
Person A: How about X?
Person B: OK. Is it alright if I do Y back?
… some time later …
Person A: Am I raping you?
Person B: Not at the moment. Am I raping you?
Person A: How about I do Z?
Person B: OK, I suppose.
Person A: Is that a no?
Person B: No.
Person A: Sorry, it that a no, no or a yes, no?
Person B: Just do it.
Ten days later.
Person B: Actually, in retrospect I’m not too happy about that bit we did at the end. Rapist!
essentially re-instituting Victorian morality
Hells bells, I don’t think even the Victorians were this obsessively controlling.
I want ONE student to stand up in these “classes” and ask if the instructors are advocating a return to single sex dorms, curfews and chaperones for every date of non-engaged-to-be-married couples.
I distinctly remember from my teenage years that when we decided we wanted/needed to get things started they got underway very,very quickly.
Dan,
“they got underway very,very quickly”….
Indeed, which brought to mind this favourite clip from my por….wild-life documentary collection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWlXbE0ESUQ
Jones
A fascinating clip. Was that leporine copulation rape? And would feminists find the clip triggering? Do all female mammals need protection from sexually predatory males of their own species? Feminist animal liberation, anyone?
It is. Thank you.
A most interesting set of questions you pose.
From an analysis of the clip at least it would appear that the female wasn’t triggered at any point and it’s somewhat challenging establishing the inner mental state of a rabbit at the best of times.
He, on the other hand……
From my meanderings around the webby thing it would appear that mammalian males are pretty much universally triggered to force themselves on their poor, oppressed ladies which leads one to conclude that there is indeed a role for an organisation you suggest.
We can watch mammalian lady-dom go from strength to strength once all the gentlemen have been shot, gassed or otherwise despatched.
PS.”Rape” you ask?. My guess is she must have led him on in some fashion the little minx.
I hope this answers your questions.
No-one’s mentioned alcohol. Apparently if he and I share a bottle or two of vino and then leap into bed, I am a victim of rape and he is a criminal. Despite our intent, imbibing and actions being the same.
I imagine most wedding nights now qualify as terrible crimes.
At this rate they’re going to end up promoting abstention, which is what they’ve always defined themselves as diametrically opposed to. It’s the oddest thing, watching feminists portray themselves as sexually liberated while at the same time insisting men behave like Victorians in the company of a nun.
…tugs frantically at wires
For goodness sake David, just unplug the thing!
just unplug the thing!
Oh dear.
Maybe if I cross-connect these circuits…
And invert the Indignation Modulator…
Yes, that should do it.
I mean, what could possibly…
And so, dear reader, Western Civilisation was ended – by Feminist Indignation…
(PID trigger warning)
I really don’t see what the problem is. You’re all giving this knee-jerk reaction instead of trying to imaginatively explore how this will revolutionize male/female/cis/trans relationships. Twenty years from now, when the revolution is complete, cis-rape will be a thing of the past, and girls will find it perfectly natural – even easy – to constantly clarify their intentions. Sex will be easy and natural, just like we’ve always wanted it to be:
Oh god, I’m so horny.
Yes.
Yes!
Take it off.
Touch me there.
Oh yes!
Mmmmmm, put it in.
I want it.
Yes.
Yes!
Deeper.
Oh, I love it.
Harder!
Oh yes! Yes!
As an added bonus, fear of retroactive post-coital revisionary rape will paralyze the orgasmic centers of the brain unless the woman unlocks them with wild exaggerations. This will allow her to control the length of the encounter with finely-tuned utterances such as:
Oh god, I’ve never been f***ed so good.
It feels so big!
Mmmmmmm, you can do me any time!
Want to try something different this time?
My family’s lawyer passed away last night.
So you see, Feminism is clearly just a clever trick by the Patriarchy to get women to roleplay cheap porno flicks. And that’s without considering the contrition she will feel if she misses a few beats (I’ve been sooooo naughty!) or the conflation of male and female pronouns ((Mister + Ma’am)/2 ==> Master).
“Oral assent” might be difficult if your mouth is, er, full
I thought he meant that a head nodding up and down counts as assent even if it is more of a bobbing motion.
Another Jonathan
Very droll. But this pedant finds ‘added bonus’ an irritating redundancy on a par with ‘free gift’, ‘safe haven’, ‘completely surrounded’, ‘end result’, ‘future plans’….
*takes medication and calms down*
A mild suggestion for a technical solution:
The engineer’s solution:
Everyone who participates in the regulated activity needs to purchase a simple push-button device which controls a separate panel with a red light and a green light. During the regulated activity, each participant must hold down the button on the controller that illuminates the green light, which shall remain visible to the other party(ies) at all times. If, at any time, a participant releases this button, the green light goes off, and a red light comes on. Optionally, a siren could start to sound, to summon outside assistance.
These days, with Wifi and Bluetooth, I bet you could make the controller wireless and small enough to easily hold in one hand, leaving the other hand free for other activites. And, of course, the government could set it up to monitor any proceedings and gather “data” to refine the system.
I bet the Chinese could get something set up in a few weeks, and have it in stores by Xmas!
Failure to use such a device is cause to dismiss later allegations that consent was not given.
Batteries not included.
rxe,
” And, of course, the government could set it up to monitor any proceedings and gather “data” to refine the system.”
Then there is the danger of being hacked.
Would prove a legal minefield, “she gave consent all the way through your honourableness, I was hacked”.
You see?
[i]And, of course, the government could set it up to monitor any proceedings and gather “data” to refine the system.[/i]
Many millions would need to be spent fighting consent-hacks; a new wave of cybercrime where a person’s consent controller is penetrated with a virus and is manipulated in order to show false compliance.
Sales of Trojan condoms will decline precipitously
Jimmy,
“Many millions would need to be spent fighting consent-hacks; a new wave of cybercrime where a person’s consent controller is penetrated with a virus and is manipulated in order to show false compliance.”
“penetrated”…..??!!!
I’m triggered…
Where’s my teddy bear and fluffy slippers?……
PS …”virus”????……..That’s as clear case of HIV-ism as I’ve ever seen……
Who’s your diversity rep??
Jimmy,
and as for your use of the grossly offensive term “manipulated”…….1
Well I’m so very very offended….
Jones,
Your feeling means nothing to me! ahaha…
hang on, there’s a loud knock at the door…
*crashing sounds*
HI THIS IS REALLY JIMMY HERE, IM SORRY ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS EVERYTHING IS FINE NOW IM GOING ON HOLIDAY FOR A LONG TIME BYE
Oh, what?
Are we back on the ‘Consent Checklist’ again? Didn’t Sandra Fluke sweep all that away forever when she told the world that she was so busy copulating that she couldn’t afford to buy condoms?