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Further to this, touched on in the comments,
Here’s Helen Joyce on transgender overreach, exploited politeness, and belated pushback:
There is no way that you can say to a man who identifies as a woman, insists he is a woman, that, fine, he can do what he likes, but he can’t actually come into women-only spaces – and that you reserve the right to say that the reason is because he’s a man – that doesn’t offend him…
What has happened is that a lot of women have seen their willingness to be polite absolutely taken advantage of… What it’s come down to is that people who don’t identify as their sex have taken other people’s politeness as license to override other people’s desires, needs, rights, and boundaries…
It reminds me of a sign, when I was a child, that shopkeepers used to have behind the till, that said, “Do not ask for credit because a refusal often offends.” Don’t ask to come in, don’t ask me to call you a woman, if by that you mean that you’re entitled to come into women’s spaces, or to count as one. And then I won’t have to refuse, and you won’t have to complain.
Full interview below:
An earlier, longer interview with Ms Joyce has been mentioned previously and can be found here.
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Helen Joyce is bloody good.
Yes, I think so.
Copied from the tail end of the previous thread…
In entertainment news.
Not entirely unrelated.
Re the rumblings on Doctor Who, above, the second half of this seems apposite.
That is indeed a large part of the reason that I didn’t bother with the Nu Who.
Perhaps it was inevitable that such a remake couldn’t satisfy the nostalgia of fans, and that it had to be jazzed up in some way.
But the over obvious sexing up and the emoting is redolent of the insincerity of nothing more than Blairist politics. The show didn’t have anything near the cultural impact of the original ‘Who’, whose titular character got his grandfatherly sternness and kindness and reserve from a generation that had endured two world wars. It also tapped into the golden age and New Wave SF era and presented some truly original and compelling plot lines, whereas the Nu show was merely a series of callbacks to old themes.
As I said some years ago, the Doctor’s apparent age, relative to the companions – the intergenerational aspect – seems a rather important element of the series. Having a young(ish) actor playing the part never quite convinced me. Adding sexual or romantic tension, or the potential for it, seems both out of place and beside the point. As I read somewhere, “No teenager should fancy the Doctor.”
As is so often the case, in pretty much any context, the more woke the thing becomes, the more ham-fisted and amateurish the writing is. And it hasn’t always started at the highest levels.
And again, in recent iterations, the Doctor has been made politically parochial and conformist, and so instead of looking askance at contemporary assumptions, as being very local and of their time, he (or she) very often parrots them enthusiastically. Using younger actors to portray the character dovetails with the shrinking of the Doctor’s worldview to conform with current political fashion.
As Steve 2 quipped in an earlier thread,
They’ve taken the alien out of the alien.
Ahora en México es la ley para los políticos …
There’s, er, quite a lot to unpack there.
There’s, er, quite a lot to unpack there.
Also…
Guaranteed participation, the photos prove it.
Unexpectedly…
What would we do without “progressives”?
Helen Joyce:
That.
Btw, the second interview is really good.
Well, it’s not clear to me what scope there is for compromise. Say, in terms of whether dysmorphic men should be allowed to compete against, and beat, women in women’s sports. Which sort of makes the idea of women’s sports seem rather meaningless. Or in terms of whether dysmorphic men and autogynephile perverts should have socially affirmed access to women’s toilets, changing rooms, and other intimate spaces.
I don’t see what sort of concessions one could plausibly make.
‘We just opened a box of bananas and out popped this magical creature.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13420375/Giant-huntsman-spider-London-primary-school.html
Meaty goodness.
Canned foods look better all the time, don’t they?
[ Directs significant glance at David’s bar snacks. ]
How about a nice can of Spam? Only twelve dollars.
[ Opens coat to reveal array of canned spam, corned beef, sardines, and herring. ]
How about these? Only three dollars and just as good.
[ Opens coat to reveal cans of “potted meat food product”. ]
[ Screams, fainting. ]
Mandatory pop culture reference.
Are there any of those back eggs dicentra mentioned?
Blatantly on a sign on a public business premises! Those dark days of open debtorphobia.
Start with a principle that’s so obvious that no normal person would ever have to say it out loud: “this is an amenity for women, and not an amenity for providing men access to women”, or “our country is the unique home of our own people, and foreigners will be dealt with as foreigners”. And then propaganda works over the years by turning secondary embarrassment at having to say it out loud to somebody who doesn’t get it turns into primary embarrassment and then it becomes something that can’t be said at all.
Bollocks.
Women are seeing the result of five decades of women unapologetically barging in to men’s spaces.
Men’s clubs? Oh no, can’t have that.
Men’s games? Sexual discrimination!
Men’s professions? Lower the standards, let in those incapable of doing the job, then prepare to be sued when the incompetence becomes too much to ignore.
Boy Scouts? Nope. Get some girls in there. Change your name while you’re at it.
Turnabout may not be fair play, but it shouldn’t be unexpected.
[ Peers over spectacles. ]
Enjoy life?
‘Magical’ doesn’t seem quite the word.
Not implausible.
Fair point.
TBF, they generally look, say, or do something stupid either way.
Which women? Oh, progressive women, leftwing women … you know, right, that Left-based ‘feminism’ is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Left?
There’s always been a [much maligned by the Left] substantial group of equity feminists (e.g. Christina Hoff Sommers) who only want to the freedom to pursue according to our own talents and skills. We’ve been called everything from Handmaids to Stepford wives to traitors to our sex.
Progressive women served their purpose for the Left’s identity politics and been shoved down the privilege rankings. And the rest of us are trying to say “we told you so”.
Still thinking about those back eggs.
“Ooh, my back eggs are killing me.”
[ Rubs back eggs. ]
Well, yes.
It would seem more accurate to say they are stupid. Heaven knows they’re ignorant and largely ineducable.
It’s unwatchable now. It’s like they’re making it bad deliberately.
Spoliation does seem the purpose of ‘enwokening’.
I’ve only seen short clips and interviews, both of which seemed designed to repel my interest. Though I was never a big fan, even as a child. As I’ve said before, the idea of the series, its premise, is more engaging than what has generally materialised on screen.
I did think that John Hurt could’ve made a good Doctor, instead of just being a peripheral gimmick – ditto Peter Capaldi, but the writing during Capaldi’s run was often piss-poor and, from what I can see, generally derided. And the weakness of the writing tends to make the politically-correct assumptions, which have grown denser, louder, and more self-satisfied, all the more grating.
Something the Left has been doing to designated victim groups since forever.
I’d also note that the self-satisfied wokeness often coincides with some perverse moral choices. In one Cybermen story, our hero, played by Capaldi, decides to needlessly abandon and doom his companions, the people he’s supposed to care for, while lecturing everyone – including those he’s consigning to mutilation and oblivion – about the imperative to be compassionate.
The companions are sacrificed in order to briefly delay the extinction of some random people that the Doctor has only just encountered and will presumably never see again, and who are apparently destined to become Cybermen fodder regardless of what he does, or who he sacrifices. And this is very much presented as something that we, the audience, are expected to applaud.
One companion, Bill, is eventually saved by a third party, but this is after the fact and unknown to our supposed hero, who has chosen to doom the people he’s meant to care for and protect. It’s like an attempt at a moral fable written by someone with sociopathic leanings, and who doesn’t comprehend why anyone might find this behaviour – which is presented as heroic – a little dissonant.
What that says about the scrupulously progressive writers, I leave to the reader. The episode in question, the title of which escapes me, was one of the last I watched in full, albeit with a kind of morbid curiosity.
Women weren’t exactly polite when they were attacking men, male spaces, men’s rights or something as basic as a fair trial, were they? And yes, I know, not conservative, normal women, but you aren’t exactly the ones setting the narrative are you?
What has happened is that college educated, liberal women have seen their hypocrisy and double standards being taken advantage of. After decades of arguing women are exactly the same as men (only when it suits them, if course, so not when it comes to domestic violence or military conscription), and using slimy emotional blackmail to get their way, someone else has used exactly those same nonsense beliefs and tactics against them.
This whole trans thing is ridiculous. But the problem is simply that western society has gotten used to a lot of ridiculous things, such as pretending that women are as strong as men, a man and woman getting drunk and having sex is rape, but only in one way, or diversity is a strength.
And women like Helen are part of the problem, because they are still intent on attacking “men”, not their college educated sisters who are responsible for this mess and are the biggest supporter group for trans “women”.
True, but the problem, Darleen, is that women like you – old school, take responsibility for my own life and actions instead of claiming victimhood – are not much in favour and have little say. Pity, because would work out better for everyone if that were the case.
As it happens, its the progressive, leftwing women who are running things.
And part of the problem is, men can’t take them on (for some obvious reasons).
And other normal women didn’t as well, because of the “sisterhood”.
This trans thing is a prime example. How many women, Helen Joyce, JK Rowling, etc, have actually called out those progressive, left wing women who are actually responsible and are the sword arm of the trans lobby? None.
And here we are, unfortunately.
The same can be said of many issues, most obviously immigration, DEI nonsense, Ukraine, and crime. The politeness, good will, empathy, etc. of the sane majority have been weaponized against them by the psychopaths in charge, for their own purposes.
Purposes which often seem to boil down to “Because I can” and “F you, dirt people, that’s why”.
Meanwhile, in the thrilling world of politics:
And if that wasn’t quite thrilling enough: “Neumaier is not the first gay European politician to come under recent fire for publishing graphic videos involving faeces.”
What the hell is it with Germans and feces?
[ Cancels plans to sample German food on next European vacation. ]
Joke heard years ago:
Q: Why do German toilets have a shelf?
A: That’s an altar.
It seems to me that if radical trans progressives can choose to ignore sex (which they grudgingly appear to accept as existing) in favour of “gender” then the rest of us should be free to ignore “gender.” Changing gender does not change sex. Hormones do not change sex. Surgery does not change sex. It should be self-evident that sex-based rules are as legitimate as “gender”-based rules.
Doing your job.
The reward.
Chait and Burkett’s original exchange put me in mind of a Reddit thread, wherein a pilot-trainee (private, mind you, not commercial) was insisting that his family and friends title him “Captain” in ordinary conversation. He was UNIVERSALLY mocked.
I mused to myself how the same, notoriously “liberal” Reddit participants, would have responded had the same bloke simply insisted on being called “Ma’am”.
The shooter’s name is Ali Hamsa Yusuf.
So often true: Lunatic known to police, or criminal known to police, or Muslim name.
And we recently had news/video of a Spanish Communist eating his own shit. The Left is shit. It’s a cry for help.
Long thread about a government woman with creepy tattoos.
The dog did the right thing.