In Space No-One Can Hear You Scream
“Decolonizing” the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence (SETI) could boost its chances of success, says science historian Rebecca Charbonneau.
From Scientific American, obviously.
You see,
Increasingly, SETI scientists are grappling with the disquieting notion that, much like their intellectual forebears, their search may somehow be undermined by biases they only dimly perceive—biases that could, for instance, be related to the misunderstanding and mistreatment of Indigenous peoples and other marginalised groups…
But of course. Some editorial trajectories are, I guess, inevitable. As one might imagine, the author of the article, Camilo Garzón, is keen to signal his own modish sensitivities, and so the interview with Ms Charbonneau begins as it means to go on:
“Decolonisation” seems to be a problematic term,
This prompts much rhetorical nodding, along with the news that space exploration is “a stand-in for encounters with Indigenous peoples.” Sadly, before this claim can be explored or tested in any way, we shift sideways in search of a point. Says Ms Charbonneau:
Space exploration is also an extension of our imperial and colonial histories. We know that space infrastructure, including SETI infrastructure, exists in remote locations, with places that often have colonial histories or vulnerable populations, particularly Indigenous peoples.
Yes, telescopes tend to be built in locations optimal for the purposes of astronomy, which are often remote, away from city lights and electronic interference. Apparently, this too is problematic.
SETI in particular carries a lot of intellectual, colonial baggage as well, especially in its use of abstract concepts like “civilisation” and “intelligence,”
Inevitably, these things – “concepts like ‘civilisation’ and ‘intelligence’” – are also deemed frown-inducing, and causes of “real, physical harm,” unlike their opposites, presumably. Though I’m not sure they’re entirely abstract. I mean, without the realities to which they refer, one tends not to arrive at things like telescopes, maps of the early universe, or probes on other planets. And one might, for instance, contrast the insights of aboriginal astronomy, a wildly inflated term, with those of – dare I say it – more civilised cultures at the same points in history.
Despite the list of problematic things and much furrowing of brows, it remains unclear what the “decolonisation” of SETI, and of astronomy in general, might realistically entail. “Listening to marginalised and historically excluded perspectives” is mentioned as imperative, though the specific benefits of doing so, and any consequent enhancements of twenty-first century science, are left mysterious and intriguing. Whether those “Indigenous peoples and other marginalised groups” – these keepers of hidden knowledge beyond the ken of white devils – might have “biases” of their own, or any shortcomings at all, is not explored.
After some pre-emptive disapproval of the “colonial” violation of hypothetical microbes, whose autonomy and wellbeing would apparently be desecrated by human curiosity, we’re told that “making SETI more diverse” – i.e., giving influence and authority, and a salary, to people with no relevant skills – is a matter of great importance. “There’s really no downside,” says Ms Charbonneau. The upside, however – i.e., the premise of the whole 2,300-word article – is, to say the least, a tad vague. Apparently, hiring Iroquois or Pawnee people, or Australian Aboriginals, or whoever is deemed sufficiently brown and therefore magical, would result in “the expansion of our pool of what civilisations might look like.” “It just makes sense,” says she.
Readers unschooled in intersectional woo may be puzzled as to why those chosen as suitably indigenous and put-upon would have much to add to the doing of modern astronomy and space exploration. A pivotal role in any success seems unlikely. Readers may also wonder why those who can construct orbital telescopes and land robots on distant planets should defer in matters of science to those who can’t. And in terms of any discovery of beings elsewhere, I suspect that a century or so of science fiction would be a more expansive resource for anticipating how things might turn out and what not to do. Scenarios of that kind are, after all, a staple of the genre.
We are, however, told that we must begin “prioritising the sovereignty of Indigenous cultures and respecting their wishes regarding settled scientific infrastructure.” Which I assume means dismantling the aforementioned telescopes and moving them to less problematic locations, where they will be less effective. Thereby advancing our knowledge in leaps and bounds.
And this is a theme throughout. We get the usual, wearying references to “racism, genocide and imperialism,” albeit with little obvious relevance, and lots of tutting about notions of civilisation and intelligence – the latter deployed in scare quotes and denounced as “dangerous.” Likewise, we’re told, emphatically, that “including Indigenous voices is so critical,” but the supposedly enormous practical advantages for space exploration – those boosted chances of success – remain shrouded in mystery. “It’s… important to think very critically,” says our fretful academic, while offering a near-total lack of substance, just endless rhetorical faffing.
Indeed, what might be gained, scientifically or otherwise, from a deference to Ms Charbonneau’s rather narrow and monomaniacal worldview is hard to fathom. Beyond, that is, a salary for Ms Charbonneau and those similarly determined to find things problematic.
And one might, for instance, contrast the insights of aboriginal astronomy, a wildly inflated term, with those of – dare I say it – more civilised cultures at the same points in history.
That.
“Listening to marginalised and historically excluded perspectives” is mentioned as imperative, though the specific benefits of doing so, and any consequent enhancements of twenty-first century science, are left mysterious and intriguing.
Call me unconvinced. #Grifter
#Grifter
See also this.
Re the ‘grifter’ link, above, I see the embedded video is now private, which is a pity. The comments, however, should convey a flavour of the contents. Specifically, the ludicrous contortions and endless evasions of the featured, very woke, panellists. These Beings Of Great Status.
I remember when Scientific American was a serious magazine.
21st century Scientific American prefers that rather risible scene in The Right Stuff where the fictional Gordo Cooper converses with Aborigines at Woomera whilst John Glenn orbits in Friendship 7 to the rather more convincing scenario (otherwise known as “reality”) as documented in Contact which featured in last Friday’s ephemera.
Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
I remember when Scientific American was a serious magazine.
The rapid, ongoing decline of that once-imposing publication has been noted here before.
And one might, for instance, contrast the insights of aboriginal astronomy, a wildly inflated term, with those of – dare I say it – more civilised cultures at the same points in history.
From the link:
That.
Tip jar hit.
Tip jar hit.
Bless you, madam. Should pigeons perch on the guttering directly above your newly cleaned windows, may their sphincters remain tight, thereby sparing you a task worthy of Hercules.
Beings Of Great Status … but Nobody to Know What the H*ll They Are Talking About.
…colonial histories or vulnerable populations, particularly Indigenous peoples.
Not just here, but this perpetual banging on from these types about “vulnerable, marginalized, indigenous, etc” reminds me Kipling needs some updating.
Should pigeons perch on the guttering directly above your newly cleaned windows, may their sphincters remain tight, thereby sparing you a task worthy of Hercules.
Bravo, sir, bravo. If there was an award for blessings, that would be a top contender.
So people who are really good at astronomy should shut up and listen to people who *aren’t* any good at astronomy?
If there was an award for blessings, that would be a top contender.
It was quite a bowel movement. It looked like the bloody creature had exploded.
So people who are really good at astronomy should shut up and listen to people who *aren’t* any good at astronomy?
Um, well, sort of. That would seem to be the gist of it. Presumably, on grounds that “Indigenous and marginalised” is a magical state of being and bestows some profound but unspecified knowledge unavailable to the competent. You know, the ones who can actually build and operate orbital telescopes and send reconnaissance devices to distant planets.
It’s the intersectional way.
And one might, for instance, contrast the insights of aboriginal astronomy, a wildly inflated term, with those of – dare I say it – more civilised cultures at the same points in history.
But only those pathetically inferior white people need telescopes: Ancient Africans roamed the heavens using only their minds–or so black “intellectuals” have claimed, and we know that they never lie.
Indeed, what might be gained, scientifically or otherwise, from a deference to Ms Charbonneau’s rather narrow and monomaniacal worldview is hard to fathom.
It’s a jobs program for humanities professors who can’t add two plus two and who flunked “physics for poets”–not to mention “persons of color” who are so stupid and ignorant that they only degree programs they could complete were “grievance studies for dummies”. Social justice demands that all these unqualified fools and poseurs get their fair share of that sweet, sweet science money.
Furthermore, implicit in this demand is that said people will be given authority over projects and scientists, which means the opportunity for these parasites and bully the actual scientists whose competence they resent. See Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union for historical examples of that phenomenon.
the insights of aboriginal astronomy
“with you, everything is gas”
In Hawaii, the telescopes on top of the mountain are now declared to be on historic indigenous land and therefore native hawaiians must be on the board and decide what to do about them. yikes. In Australia, it is declared for universities that aboriginal creation stories are equally as valid as astronomy. Oh, and if the aboriginies say they have always been there, you cannot say they arrived 60,000 (or whatever) years ago. Yikes again.
The only sort of primitive white people are the Ainu of japan. They get no sympathy at all. These “decolonizers” would love to turn over the whole world to native people, except they would keep their Tesla and iphone of course.
In South Africa, there were no black africans when Europeans arrived, just bushmen. Black africans were kept out by sleeping sickness which killed their cattle. They have been moving in from the north for the past 200 yrs. Who is the colonist?
They can only dismantle, never build. Hippies tried to build communes (I visited several back in the day) and they all failed. Such people try to keep primitive people primitive, for their own good of course. They are busy trying to prevent Africa from getting electricity.
In Australia, it is declared for universities that aboriginal creation stories are equally as valid as astronomy.
Very much related. The mental convolutions of wokeness, the endless pretending, must be exhausting.
The rapid, ongoing decline of that once-imposing publication has been noted here before.
My comments there. Wash, rinse, repeat, etc. etc. etc.
OK, maybe more…
SETI in particular carries a lot of intellectual, colonial baggage as well, especially in its use of abstract concepts like “civilisation” and “intelligence,”
So if the people behind the search for extra-terrestrial “intelligence” are not comfortable with the abstract concept of “intelligence”, how would they possibly recognize it if they were to stumble upon it? They obviously have trouble finding such a thing in their own offices.
This is the thing with these non-thinking neo-intellectuals. They get all juicy-juiced stepping outside the standard frame of reference yet seem completely incapable of even conceiving that there could be other frames of reference. Again, smart people…”smaaaart”.
For someone who is still a student Ms Carbonwater has a long CV of trivialities.
https://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/directory/charbonneau
Quoth (formerly) Scientific American:
But it’s also important to think very critically about why we search for intelligence. Is there something special about intelligence?
Perhaps the ability to broadcast its existence to other solar systems?
Does intelligence deserve more respect than whatever we might perceive to be nonintelligence? We might perceive microbes as nonintelligent life, for example.
I’m pretty sure that is more than mere perception.
Does that life have a right to exist without us bothering it? Or is it just germs—just bugs that we are going to just bring back and study and pick apart?
Mars probes are very thoroughly decontaminated because we don’t want to bother any indigenous life on Mars. If there is any. I don’t actually see any issue with studying and picking apart a few of the trillions and trillions of microbes that might exist somewhere out there. It’s not like they won’t be replaced within minutes. That’s the nature of microbes.
rhetorical faffing
LOL
Does that life have a right to exist without us bothering it? Or is it just germs—just bugs that we are going to just bring back and study and pick apart?
Don’t forget the Smart People who want us to agonize over the human rights of extraterrestrial rocks: It would be deeply immoral for us to just go in and extract useful minerals on the Moon, Mars, the asteroids, and so on.
We tolerate these people and take them seriously as grownups at our own peril. This idiocy needed to be stopped 30-40 years ago before it became malignant. I’m beginning to think that the RA of my former college dorm life who was so bloody persistent about sniffing out every single marijuana user might have had a point.
…a salary for Ms Charbonneau and those similarly determined to find things problematic.
Both related and unrelated, between 33,153 and 36, 126 imperial dollars a year for a what?
George Orwell, call your office.
The rapid, ongoing decline of that once-imposing publication has been noted here before.
“Behold the glory and academic rigor of ‘Rehumanizing Mathematics'” which turns out to mean “Center Black and Indigenous people, esp.womxn, queer folx, and other oppressed identities”
It seems that “2+2=4” oppresses “Black and Indigenous people”. Given the continuing underachievement of “Black and Indigenous people” in the STEM fields, this complaint is food for thought–especially in light of the latest demands to destroy the concept of objective knowledge and merit-based hiring and promotion.
Readers may also wonder why those who can construct orbital telescopes and land robots on distant planets should defer in matters of science to those who can’t.
LOL. That.
moving them to less problematic locations.
No, no. That cannot be allowed. Because then the nice rice bowl / sinecure is gone.
These folk, if they are smart, will have learned the lesson of Puerto Rico and the US Naval gunnery practice range at Vieques. That range closed in 2001 at the insistence of local activists, worried about ecological damage. These activists were then dismayed to find that the Naval base at Roosevelt Roads, a mainstay of the economy, was deemed no longer necessary and was closed in 2004.
The Hawaiians have done the clever thing – inserting themselves on the governing boards, where they can influence the flow of money and property rights, without actually having to accomplish anything related to the observatory’s ostensible mission. Keeping the observatory there is essential.
LOL. That.
And we mustn’t forget this gem from the world of woke medicine.
I remember when Scientific American was a serious magazine.
I haven’t had a chance to watch this, but it may be relevant.
Recentering math: Our mexican contractors were not so good at math, and our deck shows the results.
Aussie aboriginies: the aboriginies in that very big continent were NOT a single culture. They had not transport except walking. There were many creation stories. Which one takes precedence to be used in a lecture? This falls into the category of “the magic negro” as seen in The Green Mile and other movies–by virtue of being oppressed, these people have magical, special powers/properties. It is the ultimate condescension.
Recentering math: Our mexican contractors were not so good at math, and our deck shows the results.
I was recently warned that many contractors will hire unqualified and inexperienced people for a day or a week. He gave as an example a masonry building where some some of the lintels have proper weep holes and others do not: Some of the laborers knew nothing more than the bare minimum of how to lay bricks while others were more experienced.
The Hawaiians have done the clever thing – inserting themselves on the governing boards…
Because few of them are clever enough to get STEM degrees and actually do something useful.
In the 1500s, spanish explorers began compiling books of native plants and medicines from the Americas. Many plants were brought back to Europe and planted in botanical/herbal gardens. They EXPERIMENTED to see which ones worked. We have become dumber than they were back then.
I was recently warned that many contractors will hire unqualified and inexperienced people for a day or a week.
My wife and I rented a a villa in the Turks and Caicos from a couple who had moved to the island full time. They were contractors and had started to buy oceanfront properties and were building small two to four unit vacation villas. The biggest challenge they faced was finding skilled labour capable of doing the detail work–finished carpentry, cabinet work, doors, windows, tiling etc. He said the locals only wanted to slap up the concrete walls and foundations that make up most of the construction down there. As a result, they had no idea how long it would take to complete a project. They started to train their own people, but because of the shortage of skills, workers would leave, often without having completed a proper apprenticeship.
The Hawaiians are perfectly right to want seats on the governing boards wherever Big Government Science snuggles into their home ground. Localism is a good and necessary thing. And the so-called “cultural issues” — all that comes under the purview of the Humanities — can’t be swept aside. No one wants to wake up one morning to the impact of “cultural change” at the scale our technology can impose in one blow.
The science apparat itself is to blame for the infection of “woo.” There’s no inherent need for them to ever have deferred to myth and magic on any question pertinent to scientific inquiry or technological practice. The mythic and the scientific could very well work side by side, without grabbing each other’s tools or getting in each other’s space.
First I read about Scotland’s “right” to free period products and how an adult human biological male was appointed as a period dignity officer. Now this?
WHAT?!
Not unrelated, Sod off, Biggles..
They are even going to include a “land acknowledgement”.
[head desk]
The Hawaiians are perfectly right to want seats on the governing boards wherever Big Government Science snuggles into their home ground. Localism is a good and necessary thing…
Parasitism masquerading as localism?
“localism & Hawaii”: could not tell if this was sarcasm, but who gets to decide if a “native” claim is valid, if the native is really a native, and what should be done about it?
Genetic studies of ancient bones (e.g., in Europe) have shown that people historically moved around constantly (by conquest, by infiltration, by replacing people killed off by famine or plague). No one has a permanent claim to a piece of land. England was invaded dozens of times by different peoples. England moreover was ruled for the last 1000 years by royals who considered themselves French (maybe our brit members here have more details) and who spoke french. So england was “colonized”.
Math & local labor…
My parents’ house driveway is 17 feet wide by 80 feet long. One day, after the hired crew (in California, the usual: a young second generation Mexican immigrant boss, who hired a bunch of family and friends) finished, Dad goes out to look it over. It was concrete poured in two parallel strips of squares, with dividers. Dad noticed that the long center line divider does not hit the garage in the middle; it appears to be a bit to the left. So he asks the young boss about it, who goes over to the crew and chats in Spanish with an older guy. Boss comes back with an odd look on his face. He says, “My father ( the older guy) says your Driveway is 17 feet wide. And 17 cannot be divided in two.”
The driveway was 9 feet wide on one side, and 8 feet on the other.
Dad, who’s lived in Ca 50 years, just shrugs.
No one has a permanent claim to a piece of land.
Exactly, regarding “Hawaii” as we know it, it was just a bunch of separately ruled islands until Kamehameha I in the late 1700s with the help of some cannons and muskets (thanks to a British sailor) managed to take over Oahu after having taken over Maui and Molokai earlier. The battles on Oahu included an epic battle in which he drove Oahu warriors off a 1000 foot cliff which is now a scenic overlook locally known as the Pali, which means “cliff”, oddly enough.
Those peaceful and gentle island ways, you know.
rhetorical faffing
Rap group name
A pivotal role in any success seems unlikely.
But the grift is what matters. 🙂