And Workplace Harmony Will Doubtless Ensue
You see, the tiresomeness of it all is for your own good. And besides, escape is forbidden.
Update, via the comments:
Readers may, I suspect, have reservations. But do bear in mind that ostracising people and engaging in petty workplace spite – calling them Nazis, for instance – is so much easier when you know who they voted for. And do take a moment to consider the oppressed in this equation, by which, of course, I mean the needy and neurotic, those whose status and self-worth hinge on mouthing – and being seen and heard to mouth – the most fashionable political opinions. Now, imagine these poor souls being denied the opportunity to bore others with them, at eye-watering length, during office hours.
That the owners of Basecamp, a web software company, should find themselves having to officially ask employees not to use the workplace, work networks, and working hours for “political advocacy” – and explaining that angry exchanges about politics, i.e., leftist identity politics, “can’t happen where the work happens anymore” – i.e., stop behaving like spoiled teenagers who are still on campus - is quite a thing. One has to marvel at how they’re essentially having to explain to their woke and quarrelsome employees the concept of a workplace, as a thing that’s not in fact interchangeable with a protest march or a student union bar.
Update 2: The drama escalates.
It’s not a coincidence these grand stands against divisive “politics” at work issue down from white male tech executives.
Writes Taylor Hatmaker at TechCrunch. In a not-at-all-loaded and totally non-divisive way.
Why, it’s almost as if fixating on people’s sex and skin colour – and assigning some kind of collective moral defectiveness to the pale and male – were a habit that other, saner people may not find entirely enhancing of their working environment. Just a thought.
Following a controversial ban on political discussions earlier this week, Basecamp employees are heading for the exits. The company employs around 60 people, and roughly a third of the company appears to have accepted buyouts to leave, many citing new company policies.
And presumably taking with them their intersectional prayer mats. Again, if you’ve been hiring people who appear to regard themselves as activists more than employees, and who prioritise their political opinionating – on work time, using work networks, and resulting in a distracting and fractious environment for everyone else, an environment described as “unhealthy” – than perhaps you should reflect on how wise that was.
Update 3: In the comments, CJ Nerd steers us to this:
Tech journalist Casey Newton said about one-third of the company’s roughly 60 employees took buyouts shortly after, with one fuming: “Basically the company has said, ‘well, your opinions don’t really matter — unless it’s directly related to business…’ A lot of people are gonna have a tough time living with that.”
Yes, the kind of vain, unworldly creatures who imagine that their employers and colleagues want, indeed need, to hear their views on “whiteness” and “microaggressions,” and who equate a list of funny customer names with a march towards “genocide.” The kind of overindulged, overgrown children for whom reciprocation would be anathema, a basis for indignation, and who complain that being asked to focus on the job they’re actually paid to do constitutes not being “allowed to exist.” In other words, the ideal end product of an expensive progressive education. And who, having seemingly learned nothing, will presumably go on to disrupt and demoralise some other fool’s business with their pretensions and farcical high-maintenance.
Update 4:
Two employees told me that they had found themselves crying and screaming at the screen.
After all, it just isn’t wokeness without weeping and howling.
Via Garbage Human, via Rafi.
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I guess nobody noticed that since resources are things to be exploited that the name “Human Resources” was a big hint on that department’s mission.
I used to joke about that, but nobody laughed.
Imagine having all the employees just focused on doing the job, and then discovering that Nazis are the best workers!
The change came when they went from “Personnel” to “HR”.
I used to work for a large urban daily newspaper and it had to deal with a lot of unionized employees: ITU, Teamsters, etc. The department was named, up into the ’90s, “Employee and Labor Relations” which we all abbreviated to ELR. I liked that name. It seemed to acknowledge that employees were people who had interests and that the company had to negotiate with them — manage a relationship. The company was proud of the fact that in more than 100 years of operation it had never laid anyone off.
The day it changed its name to HR was when I knew the end was coming. That and the internet. I left in 2000, and the paper is now just a shell of itself. The original prominent local family who owned it for generations sold it off to a chain a number of years back.
> The clear moral of the story is to not hire activists in the first place.
So without an HR department, how do you hire anyone? How do you maintain compliance with the plethora of employment regulations?
I like the implicit assumption that you can’t have an HR department without hiring activists. Probably true, though depressing.
I’d suggest the solution to the problem lies a tier up from the activist-filled nature of the HR profession and might be found in the direction of your final phrase: “the plethora of employment regulations.”
Wow, the bigger the photo of him gets, the more insufferable he looks. It’s like one of those crazy optical effects they used to put in kids magazines. “See how if his face is far away, he looks just a little bit punchable, but when his faces is really big and up close, you probably can’t resist punching the picture? Amazing!”
https://jessejamesgarrett.com/ (NSFD — Not Safe For your Display)
Jesse James Garrote –
A veritable who’s who of lefty tech douches, corporate woke cowards and of course, the rotten apple floating at the top of the barrel, the U.N.
Quelle surprise.
You may jest, but that’s exactly what the HOA at my brother’s condo wound up doing with the in-ground jacuzzi.
This is also why I have my Zillow search filters set up to block as much as possible anything with an HOA/POA. I don’t mind CC&Rs, where everybody can see the rules before plunking down tens (or even hundreds) of thousands of dollars. Giving a bunch of power-mad Karens and amateur pettifoggers the power to create and interpret those rules on the fly will only lead to tears.
Basecamp
The entire tech field is full of staggeringly immature and unprofessional people. In some cases this is not coincidental; Microsoft and Google both have or had a policy of maintaining employee environments (dorms, labs, “student unions” with support businesses on premises, etc) that were identical to university facilities in order to keep the employees from realizing they weren’t at university any more – because undergrads/grad students are accustomed to working long and unconventional hours without additional pay. IIRC, a Google employee was fired for pointing this out on Twitter about a decade ago.
it would have been difficult to find something worse than Perl, had JavaScript not been created
I can reliably cause the millennial React coders who are making a dog’s breakfast of our UI to BSOD by pointing out that Node.js is making exactly the same mistakes that Ruby on Rails did fifteen years ago. I sent one of them Zed Shaw’s Rails is a Ghetto essay with all references to Rails swapped for Node and he didn’t notice.
I am still trying to figure out how Web 2.0 is different from Web 1.0
Client-side rendering vs. server-side. And we’re on to Web 3.0 now, although the distinction now seems to be marketing-driven rather than a meaningful distinction on architecture.
The HR field is full of this crap
HR is the symptom, not the cause. When large numbers of women entered the workforce in the 1970s and 1980s, the little darlings discovered that it wasn’t all cocktails at lunch and Making It After All, but rather a rough-and-tumble, cut-throat place where men blew off steam in ways hitherto out of sight of the womenfolk. This led to piles upon piles of new legislation against “hostile environment” harassment, “pay equity”, mandated maternity leave, hiring discrimination, etc. HR departments are a response to that; companies needed dedicated staff to protect themselves from employee lawsuits.
HR departments have certainly been co-opted by petty tyrants in power skirts in a form of regulatory capture, but a company prepared to pay the costs of legal settlements rather than maintain an HR department can do so. In many cases it would cost less. A former employer of mine did exactly that when employee self-service benefits portal became enterprise-ready.
The nerve of these people. Exceptions for them because they have the special “knowledge”
There is, of course, another possible explanation: we’d like to use the facilities for a one-off event that’s outside the usual regulations, and we realize that the regulations are there because of legal liability and not because you’re being mean about it; so we’re happy to do all the boring expensive drudge work of writing up disclaimers, indemnities and so on on our own time to shield the HOA from any issues, and hopefully we can all make this work out.
Lefties aren’t the only ones who project. If you assume everyone is a nasty vicious c*nt constantly trying to stab you in the back, make sure you’re not just looking in a mirror.
Daniel:
True enough about the HOA issue, but one principle I have learned to live by is, “never take the advice of a lawyer that is acting for another party”. As Andrew Tobias said in another context (cold calls from brokers), this is so basic as not to warrant elaboration.
Lefties aren’t the only ones who project.
As Solzhenitsyn said, the line between good and evil runs through the middle of every human heart.
WTP: “The lack of self-awareness in that profession is astounding. Pond scum, the lot of them.”
I always liked this as a result of few discussions with lawyers about matters professional which left me wondering in what parallel universe they live:
Replacing lab rats with lawyers: The National Institute of Health (NIH) announced last week that they were going to start using lawyers instead of rats in their experiments. Naturally, the American Bar Association was outraged and filed suit. Yet, the NIH presented some very good reasons for the switch.
1. The lab assistants were becoming very attached to their little rats. This emotional involvement was interfering with the research being conducted. No such attachment could form for a lawyer.
2. Lawyers breed faster and are in much greater supply.
3. Lawyers are much cheaper to care for and the humanitarian societies won’t jump all over you no matter what you’re studying.
4. There are some things even a rat won’t do.
Speaking of administrative bloat: University of California at Berkeley Posts Ad for Staffer to Host Climate Healing Circles and Lead Transgender Backpacking
4. There are some things even a rat won’t do.
That is a classic.
Barnard College instructor discusses murdering whites wholesale in coming race war.
“When this race war hits its crescendo. I’ll gather you all into a beautifully decorated room under the pretense of unity. I’ll give a speech to civility and all the good times we share; I’ll smile as we raise glasses to your good, white health, while the detonator blinks under the table, knowing the exits are locked and the air vents filled with gas.”
Mass murder complete with gas chambers. As I’ve said before, there are a lot of black Americans who would willingly follow a black Hitler…and a lot of white liberals who would cheer.
Black racists are scum, but white liberals (who hire and protect them) are even worse.
When large numbers of women entered the workforce in the 1970s and 1980s, the little darlings discovered that it wasn’t all cocktails at lunch and Making It After All, but rather a rough-and-tumble, cut-throat place where men blew off steam in ways hitherto out of sight of the womenfolk. This led to piles upon piles of new legislation against “hostile environment” harassment, “pay equity”, mandated maternity leave, hiring discrimination, etc. HR departments are a response to that; companies needed dedicated staff to protect themselves from employee lawsuits.
Well yes, exactly. My last boss at the last defense contractor where I worked had zero personality, was a passive-aggressive jerk, even lied to my face once to cover for his boss, etc. to the point where he was known in certain circles that knew me as MSD (for My Second Dick). Needless to say, I hated the guy. Anyway, his direct reports (not really a team…but I digress) got a message from HR about a meeting with him and an HR rep. The black, female HR woman running the meeting, who really knew very little about him, starts belittling him in front of the whole team. As the only other person in the room over 40, I felt it my responsibility, regardless of how I felt about him personally, to come to his defense and point out that she was not just being unfair but borderline cruel and this meeting was not the place to do such a thing. We were there (supposedly) to work through what the problems were. I had to hold back on the cruel part a little because I was afraid my defending him might make him feel even more belittled. Again, with a guy I despised. It was one of the most absurd things I ever saw in my 8 years there. Though admittedly I did see quite a few other absurd things even more…absurd.
There is, of course, another possible explanation: we’d like to use the facilities for a one-off event that’s outside the usual regulations, and we realize that the regulations are there because of legal liability and not because you’re being mean about it; so we’re happy to do all the boring expensive drudge work of writing up disclaimers, indemnities and so on on our own time to shield the HOA from any issues, and hopefully we can all make this work out.
Da bawls on dis guy…
Oh, the boring, expensive drudge work eh? You know what’s drudge work? Volunteering your time to manage a community of ingrates. We have rules. Rules that other people in the community have respected. This guy wants special treatment and I’m supposed to get all weepy/appreciative that he’s not going to put me or the board to any extra work or expense? Not to mention Jim Whyte’s point, which was actually my first unconscious instinct, “never take the advice of a lawyer that is acting for another party”. Especially as I now hear that this indeed was the property where the homeowner put his fence up backwards and refused to correct it. Actually, I am now told he was given a heads-up while the fence was going up but refused the “advice” he was given.
And when other homeowners ask for approval for this party or that party going forward, shall we ask “Are you a lawyer? No? Ah, well you can’t afford it.” But neither you nor this lawyer scum will be around to address their concerns. Nor may I or anyone else who may have moved on and/or forgotten the whys and wherefores. Because some people gotta have their own special rules. And they’re the f****g rule makers. God help us.
And that’s not to mention the 12 year long f****g lawsuit over a tree that the board was not allowed to discuss (or some even know about) whilst homeowners asked WTF we were doing with the money they were paying. Money that we had to put aside in case we lost…which we couldn’t tell them about…Oh f*** it. I posted all about that here before. Not going into it again.
What I really want to know now is WTF is with this rule #7, “It shall be unlawful to use cocaine, young boys, $100 bills, prostitutes, or vehicle accidents to attract attorneys.” I mean, I understand the “young boys” part but…We’re not hunting them for sport nor food (ugh, can you imagine? Gotta be even slimier than hobo meat). Kinda more like coyotes. Varmints/vermin. That sort of thing. Should GF&W really care?
Also…Giving a bunch of power-mad Karens and amateur pettifoggers the power to create and interpret those rules on the fly will only lead to tears.
People need to be aware that much of the “Karening” that they associate with the HOA is…AGAIN…litigation fear. Too many rules are a bad thing. Personally, I take care of my stuff partly out of self respect but also because I respect my neighbors. I don’t have a problem following rational rules, and even many irrational ones that don’t really affect me. In a perfect world we would all be able to have just exactly the right number of Goldilocks rules that fit our lives perfectly. But that’s not the world we live in. Some people care about some things others care about others. A civilized person, a mature person, a grown-up, should be able to tolerate slight annoyances in favor of the greater community. Now I am speaking here in relevance to REAL ESTATE. It is a unique form of property that cannot be moved and other people are forced to deal with. Personal property, businesses, etc. are a totally different matter where far more choice is available to otherwise disinterested parties. Ah, but I digress yet again…what I’m trying to get to is these rules we may not like, that some of us may not even like to enforce (me me me me), are quite often a function of an overly litigious society. Once one person gets a break, then the next person wants to know why they can’t get the same. Especially in today’s environment where all sorts of grievance groups are looking to cry to the plethora of lawyers out there looking for business.
Well, if I’m running a business, jjg would be out the door. “Come in, jjg. Sit down. I’m afraid you’re not a good fit. As you know, we are the leading manufacturer of left-handed widgets, and we have a sole-source contract with DOD for ambidextrous widgets. It’s no exaggeration to say we are important to world peace.
“Now. When you got here, we had no policy against talking politics at work. But, between you getting people into hand-waving arguments, and your average of 14 trips per day to Human Resources to complain about one person or another, we had to institute such a policy. You have refused to abide by it. We can no longer afford the 43% drop in production caused by your behavior. World peace and all that, and also. frankly, we ain’t paying you to talk politics. we’re paying you to make widgets. Sorry it didn’t work out. Good luck in your future endeavors.”
And since you KNOW he’s taping it all, resist the temptation to add a humorous “ Sieg Heil” as you’re showing him out.
Also in regard to Karening…When the pandemic began, there was concern from some residents and some on the board that we needed to close the pool because if someone got Corona there, we could be sued. I and one other board member stood very, very firm that with proper posting of social distancing rules and such, the pool would remain open. As I understand it, we were one of the few communities that did keep our pool open. I know that big Country Club near me closed their pool. We kept ours open but the implied legal threat, regardless of CDC guidelines stating pools were not an issue, did generate a good bit of Karening that we had to deal with.
Indeed. There is a fairly large body of water (AKA “large pond”) at the rear of my house which is part of my city’s drainage system. As it so happens, all of the homes around said large pond own a slice of that large pond out to the more-or-less center. One of the people who owned a home on that large pond liked to go kayaking on it.
(That pond is pear shaped with a maximum length of ~130 meters and maximum width of ~93 meters. I figured you lot would ask about that.)
Someone pointed out that if some fool managed to drown near the center of pond, then said fool’s survivors could sue almost any of us since you couldn’t be sure upon whose property the fool drowned upon. Shortly thereafter, the HOA (which normally only dealt with pond maintenance) promulgated a rule where nobody at all could swim or boat on the pond. That annoyed the kayaking home owner quite a bit, but so be it.
I don’t have a problem following rational rules, and even many irrational ones that don’t really affect me. In a perfect world we would all be able to have just exactly the right number of Goldilocks rules that fit our lives perfectly. But that’s not the world we live in.
I have a problem when they start telling you what colour your drapes have to be; or a specific type of blind you have to use if you want blinds on your windows; or not allowing you to hang a wreath on your door; or what type of plants you can put in your garden etc. etc.
@ RC: “(That pond is pear shaped with a maximum length of ~130 meters and maximum width of ~93 meters. I figured you lot would ask about that.)
Depth? The depth affects how high any diving platforms, if any, can be built.
I have a number of man-made dams [for irrigation and supplying water to live stock] on my property which are within my fenced boundaries. The boundaries are clearly marked with “Keep out; Private Property” signs. I [and other farmers] locally are not required to have toddler/idiot/drunkard-proof fencing around each of these dams, though if we had a proper swimming pool within the house yard we would have to have child-proof fencing. If some plastered fool falls into a dam having trespassed or someone visiting the area loses a little child who wanders into a dam and, sadly, drowns the responsibility does not rest with me. During the season for mushrooms it is amazing how many people think they have the right to come through my fences and pick mushrooms on my property without asking for permission – and the fools, not knowing the difference between a cow and a bull, can place themselves in grave danger. Some years ago a neighbour on his way home from town stopped to tell some folks to leave his property as they picked his mushrooms. They told him to F-Off! He left them, only pausing to explain politely “Those cows aren’t cows.” The fools were in his bull paddock with several large bulls. Nothing untoward happened to them, but he did warn them.
I have a problem when they start telling you what colour your drapes have to be; or a specific type of blind you have to use if you want blinds on your windows; or not allowing you to hang a wreath on your door; or what type of plants you can put in your garden etc. etc.
Agree. For the most part. But two things…Yes the interior stuff is nobody’s business…except funny you mention blinds. For about 6 months or so, one home had their blinds all askew. Walk/drive past it for a few days, weeks…no big deal. But after several months it’s bloody annoying. I’m usually the last to notice these things but once I do notice them, I can’t stop seeing it. After thinking about this a bit, I started to wonder if this is partly because there’s a natural, human social instinct, at a subconscious level, to wonder if the people there are OK. Now I had seen activity there. Open/closed garage. Car in drive then not. Why wouldn’t/couldn’t they just straighten the blinds? Neighbors start to complain to us. Eventually they got sent a letter. There was some rigmarole about God knows what, I forget. She was having this problem or that problem. It made no sense. Just fix your frikken blinds. I personally get zero satisfaction out of telling a grown-ass adult to behave like one. Eventually that, and the green growth that was on her mailbox and garage door, did get taken care of. But why do mature adults, people living in $250K-$375K homes, need to be told such things? At first we assumed she was elderly or sick. There was some allusion to being sick but when one of the board members offered to come over and fix it for her, she suddenly wasn’t all that sick and the stuff got fixed.
As for colors…well this is the standard thing about keeping people from painting their homes neon orange with purple stripes or whatever. Rather than having to approve each color as chosen, there’s a color book. People get very upset that they have to pick from the book, even after we tell them if the color they like isn’t in there (it’s an old book from 30 years ago or so), we generally approve whatever they want so long as it is within reason. But people get all freaky when they read that they have to pick from that specific book. It’s not that strict of a rule. But people start off all wound up about these things. I call it pre-Karen Karening.
At the end of the day (heh…I hate that phrase), if you really want to get upset about HOA’s, well yes there’s plenty for you to choose from to get upset about. The thing is, people buy a home, they are given a copy of the covenants and restrictions. From what I can tell, no one (except maybe me) reads them. They just drive into a beautiful community and think that, I don’t know…perhaps angels from heaven come down and keep it that way. A nice community takes work. Either work by the vast majority of the homeowners (happening less and less) or by an HOA. Don’t like it, don’t live in one. I personally don’t like being told what to do, nor do I like telling others what to do. I don’t even want to be on this frikken board, let alone president. Hell, I even make it a point (this goes way back before my HOA involvement though) to never vote for myself. But nobody else is willing to do it. I joined because some drunk ran into one of our walls several years ago and it didn’t get fixed for months. I learned that part of the problem was there weren’t enough board members to form a quorum to get anything done. I thought I’d only be on for one three year term, such was my intention as I have a summer home elsewhere. But then at a meeting I lost my temper a bit with a whining home owner and told him if he didn’t like how things were getting done, he could get off his sorry ass and help. Never saw him at another meeting, nor in the neighborhood again. This, unfortunately, impressed some people and next thing I knew, I’m the bloody president.
next thing I knew, I’m the bloody president.
You have my salute and my sympathy. I always thank our board members for their work and talk with others in ways that convey how much they do for us.
one home had their blinds all askew
One of our homeowners has very messy looking curtains, almost as if they have hung sheets in the bedroom windows. It makes the place look bad to anyone going by, and prospective buyers might wonder if those people are on welfare or are just slovenly and will be problem neighbors in various ways.
Some years ago a neighbour on his way home from town stopped to tell some folks to leave his property as they picked his mushrooms. They told him to F-Off! He left them, only pausing to explain politely “Those cows aren’t cows.”
The “F-Off” response begs for some sort of punishment: Aggressive anti-social behavior needs to have costs.
I have a problem when they start telling you what colour your drapes have to be; or a specific type of blind you have to use if you want blinds on your windows; or not allowing you to hang a wreath on your door; or what type of plants you can put in your garden etc. etc.
I can sort of understand the idea of uniform window blinds or drapes (they can make a condo building look ‘messy’), but still find it astonishing that anyone could object to Christmas wreaths, a variety of plants and flowers, etc: A variety of plants and flowers are part of the beauty of a neighborhood. Do the rule-makers hate Christmas or are they over-worried about somebody putting up an “inappropriate” or “garish” display?
I guess nobody noticed that since resources are things to be exploited that the name “Human Resources” was a big hint on that department’s mission.
Our HR department recently rebranded itself. Now it’s called “People Solutions.” We half-joke that we’d like a heads-up when they start developing the “final” one.
I can sort of understand the idea of uniform window blinds or drapes (they can make a condo building look ‘messy’)
Yes, this is the argument that’s often made to enforce drape & blind uniformity. I just don’t see how your 20 second view of my purple drapes from a distance once or twice a week should overide my enjoyment of my favorite colour for multiple hours a day, seven days a week.
Some years ago a neighbour on his way home from town stopped to tell some folks to leave his property as they picked his mushrooms. They told him to F-Off!
Last time I told mushroom pickers to get off my property I had a 12 gauge pump shotgun slung casually over my shoulder. No “F-Off’s” were uttered. That sh*t don’t fly with me.
And speaking of bulls, I, too, have had trespassers venture into pastures where I had a bull running. One such couple drew the interest not of the bull, but of a large, friendly ox I have. He decided to trot over to them to say hello. The sight of a 2,000 pound horned black behemoth headed your way at a trot can be pretty bracing. They later told me he “charged” them, but I know better — I’ve known that big teddy bear all his life. They learned to stay off the property, though.
The sight of a 2,000 pound horned black behemoth headed your way at a trot can be pretty bracing.
Reminds me of this great Buddy Hackett joke about why some cows have horns told to Johnny Carson on the Tonight Show.
Reminds me of this great Buddy Hackett joke
Sorry, the cow joke starts at 1:54.
I have no sympathy for people complaining about serving on an property-owner managed HOA. If you dislike it so much, and are such a misanthrope, quit. Some people just aren’t cut out for it, just like some people aren’t cut out for living in an HOA-controlled development. Unfortunately, those HOA board spots tend to go to two types of people. (1) The inevitable busybody who like to wield power and is totally inflexible, and (2) the good samaritan who thinks it is their duty to serve in hell for a bit, but want to be considered for sainthood because of it. Type 2 usually yields to type 1.
The trouble with HOA covenants is that they get drafted, and then years go by before anyone bothers to keep them up, despite things like paint colors and shingle styes no longer being available, so the property owners have to ask for clarity from people who don’t want to be clear. It has rules about garbage pickup, except they’ve switched garbage disposal outfits 6 times and those rules no longer apply.
“Oh, the boring, expensive drudge work eh? You know what’s drudge work? Volunteering your time to manage a community of ingrates. We have rules. Rules that other people in the community have respected. This guy wants special treatment and I’m supposed to get all weepy/appreciative that he’s not going to put me or the board to any extra work or expense?”
You sound like you expected a public-facing position was going to be like assembly-line work. Everyone should just stay in their little lanes and never want anything not on the menu.
Here’s a solution: don’t volunteer and then be a bitch about it because you don’t feel appreciated enough. If drafting a document to allocate risk and indemnify your HOA is such drudge work, you should have no trouble drafting one yourself. What you fail to acknowledge is he wouldn’t be the opposing party in any lawsuit, it would one of the party guests. At best he’d be a co-defendent, and once the judge realized he was the drafter, that piece of paper would mean nothing in terms of protecting him. If your HOA can’t find an insurance company that has a package that allows the residents to rent the pool for a limited private party, let me suggest your lazy ass HOA isn’t trying very hard. You don’t like the inconvenience of a pool? Maybe you should move somewhere that doesn’t have one. Isn’t that the classic response of all HOA’s to people complaining about the HOA?
The biggest problem I’ve had with the HOA community that I’ve been in the past 9 years is the property owners who rent their places instead of living in them. Those are the units that aren’t maintained, the rules are rarely properly explained to the tenants, and the tenants come and go so fast it’s hardly worthwhile. Not to mention the tenants who are useless druggies and steal from their neighbors. Unlike in a condo situation where the other owners have a say in who is allowed to live in their community.
My HOA Board seem to be reasonable people, except for periodically wanting me to be responsible for an old steel lamp post out by the sidewalk that arguably is on community property and there is no sign that the light is fed off of my power panel. It’s rusting away and starting to lean since the builders buried the steel post directly into ground rather than cement, back 40 years ago when they constructed these cheap units. Whenever I raise these points, they drop the issue without clarifying anything, until the next committee gets installed. Hey, at least I keep a working light bulb in it, unlike about 30% of the other ones.
Reminds me of this great Buddy Hackett joke
Here’s another:
A man is driving down a country road when he comes across a shepherd and a huge flock of sheep. He tells the shepherd, “I will bet you $100 against one of your sheep that I can tell you the exact number in this flock.” The shepherd thinks it over; it’s a big flock so he takes the bet. “973,” says the man. The shepherd is astonished, because that is exactly right. He says “OK, I’m a man of my word, take an animal.” The man picks one up and begins to walk away.
“Wait,” cries the shepherd, “Let me have a chance to get even. Double or nothing that I can guess your exact occupation.” The man says sure. “You are an economist for a government think tank,” says the shepherd. “Amazing!” responds the man, “You are exactly right! But tell me, how did you deduce that?”
“Well,” says the shepherd, “put down my dog and I will tell you.”
I just don’t see how your 20 second view of my purple drapes from a distance once or twice a week should overide my enjoyment of my favorite colour for multiple hours a day, seven days a week.
Yes, although it’s a lot longer than 20 seconds for pedestrians in my neighborhood, but any problem with the color of drapes is easily solved: just get liners which do not affect the look from inside. Most of the objections that I have encountered have been from people who have an excessive need for uniformity in everything. (insert photo of Adrian Monk carefully arranging everything)
Sorry, the cow joke starts at 1:54.
The ensuing joke about a duck is apropos as well. Actually funnier if you hadn’t heard it before. But it’s been several decades and thus maybe you have. But Buddy Hackett still makes it worth it for the telling. Also, it centers around the killing of a duck. Which is nice.
Also, it centers around the killing of a duck. Which is nice.
The menace must be exposed.
I have no sympathy for people complaining about serving on an property-owner managed HOA. If you dislike it so much, and are such a misanthrope, quit.
And I have no sympathy for people who complain about HOA’s. If you don’t like them, the GTFO. Stopped at (1) The inevitable busybody who like to wield power and is totally inflexible, and (2) the good samaritan who thinks it is their duty to serve in hell for a bit, but want to be considered for sainthood because of it. Type 2 usually yields to type 1.
Wow. Some God like vision you got there, Charlie. Why you are wasting it on me, God…ah, You…only know.
OK, I lie. I read a bit further now. Still, WTF is YOUR problem? Do I sound like a “good smaritan” to you? Nobody else was willing to do the job. I don’t do it for my fellow man. I loathe and despise my fellow man. Especially the kind like yourself. I do it because I was raised with certain sense of responsibility to myself but also to things around me that I see that need to be fixed. They impact my property value as well and as no one else is going to do the work, I do it. My actual long-term goal once all the things finally get fixed that previous boards failed to address due to f***** lawyers, I plan to be as big a pain in the ass to people such as yourself as possible. Not for the power trip mind you, but to get lazy freeloaders like yourself off your lazy asses to do the job rather than bitch about it. Or even having the nerve to bitch about those who actually do the work. Does that sound like a “good samaritan” to you?
OK, I lie. I read a bit further now. Still, WTF is YOUR problem?
Sounds like a bad-tempered lawyer. 🙁
(1) The inevitable busybody who like to wield power and is totally inflexible, and (2) the good samaritan who thinks it is their duty to serve in hell for a bit, but want to be considered for sainthood because of it.
We only ever had one power-loving busybody, and we never had anybody who wanted to be “considered for sainthood.” We have had lots of people who volunteered because they knew the job had to be done, and who served for years in spite of the aggravations. The most frequent problem has been–and is–inconsiderate homeowners.
The trouble with HOA covenants is that they get drafted, and then years go by before anyone bothers to keep them up, despite things like paint colors and shingle styes no longer being available, so the property owners have to ask for clarity from people who don’t want to be clear. It has rules about garbage pickup, except they’ve switched garbage disposal outfits 6 times and those rules no longer apply.
Not a problem here: When the original window model was no longer available, we worked with that homeowner to do a little research and then ruled on what make/model/color must be used. Problem solved. We have changed garbage disposal outfits a few times, but that has not been a problem. But homeowners who do not properly dispose of their trash has been a continuing problem.
The biggest problem I’ve had with the HOA community that I’ve been in the past 9 years is the property owners who rent their places instead of living in them.
We solved that problem over 20 years ago: We passed an amendment prohibiting rentals.
Here’s a solution: don’t volunteer and then be a bitch about it because you don’t feel appreciated enough.
Nobody is expecting to receive flowers and chocolates. But we would like to not be subjected to vitriol and abuse, not to mention unreasonable demands from people who cannot understand why exceptions should not be made for them, and the endless problems with inconsiderate owners who do not think the rules apply to them.
At work, one should (must really) be able to work with people who you do not like, whose religion, sexuality, politics, and food preferences you find repugnant–otherwise no work can take place, ever. This is why “get woke, go broke” is an aphorism–they are taking their eye off the ball. In most businesses, there is a small margin for profit and you can totally go into the red by forgetting your mission.
Thanks for saving me some typing.
We solved that problem over 20 years ago: We passed an amendment prohibiting rentals.
Is that still in effect? We originally had such a restriction but I was told that after the 2008 real estate crash, in order to bring the demand back up the feds forbid such restrictions. We recently amended our docs to restrict short term Air-B-N-B vacation style rentals.
Is that still in effect?
Yes. We managed to keep our property maximally attractive through very good financial management: We have never had to have a special assessment because we very carefully manage the budget: We hire good experts to evaluate our property and make a 30-year estimate of likely repairs and replacements, and we set the monthly assessments to build and maintain sufficient reserve funds to cover them.
the feds forbid such restrictions
I have never heard that. Could you have been given incorrect or inaccurate information? Or maybe there are legal limits on such restrictions but they have to do with particular selective types of restrictions, such as “no children” etc?
Curious. What state are you in? Maybe it is a FL thing, but I don’t think so.
Illinois. But not Chicago, thank God.
We passed an amendment prohibiting rentals.
We did have to grandfather in all existing rentals, so we were not completely renter-free until the last such unit was sold. But that only took a few years as best I recall.
Writes Taylor Hatmaker at TechCrunch. In a not-at-all-loaded and totally non-divisive way.
From that link:
“Drawing the line on ‘political’ topics becomes murky very quickly for any non-white or LGBTQ employees, for whom many issues that might be seen as political in nature in some circles — the Black Lives Matter movement, for instance — are inextricably and deeply personal.”
The writer may be too work to realize that Black Lives Matter can be deeply personal for white and Asian people too, as we do not like being harassed, terrorized, beaten or even murdered.
Arrgh, that’s ‘woke’ not ‘work’.
And presumably taking with them their intersectional prayer mats
Lol. That.
Lol. That.
Well, the religious connotations don’t seem entirely inapt.
Again, if you regard it as acceptable to use work time and work resources to be political 24/7 – say, to endorse Black Lives Matter in the workplace or to denounce the alleged devilry of Donald Trump – and if you regard this somewhat odd activity as more important than actually doing the job you’re being paid to do, and despite it disrupting the ability of your colleagues to do their work, the thing that pays their mortgages, etc., then some belated growing up seems in order.
And some unemployment.
Well, the religious connotations don’t seem entirely inapt.
Wokeness is similar to Islam, in that a chief reason for the existence of both is the divine mandate to prey upon other human beings.