You Know The Drill
We’re being asked to conform to an orthodoxy which we haven’t had a say in… Why were we not involved in the conversation?
Peter Whittle interviews London mayoral candidate Laurence Fox.
Also, open thread. Share ye links and bicker.
We’re being asked to conform to an orthodoxy which we haven’t had a say in
That.
“stop reducing my person to a racial category in your teach ins”
https://www.thecollegefix.com/watch-fed-up-uvermont-professor-speaks-out-against-antiracism-calls-whiteness-dogma-discriminatory/
From academics to high priests in two easy steps…
I see Khan is busy finding a Routemaster to throw Cressida Dick under…
Don’t know if this has been posted here already, but GarbageHuman appears to be back.
https://twitter.com/Gee2TheAitch
UVermont prof:
“Find its way to”? You clueless dolt. That’s from whence it bloody originates.
GarbageHuman appears to be back.
From which, I see that the Los Angeles Times thinks that people in wheelchairs aren’t doing enough hiking.
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Sadly, the Los Angeles Times is paywalled, and I’m not inclined to encourage them in cash form. But from other reactions to the piece, it seems to include the standard, near-ubiquitous question-begging, whereby statistical differences in group activity and interest are framed by default as some systemic and nefarious exclusion. Generally, with “whiteness” lurking in there somewhere, along with intimations of racism.
But if someone can’t bring themselves to engage in some supposedly desired activity simply because they don’t “see themselves represented” and therefore don’t “feel comfortable,” then it seems to me they’re not really trying and are basically making excuses.
And on the subject of “diversity” in hiking, we’ve been here before, of course.
More than once.
If you say so
https://twitter.com/Gee2TheAitch/status/1370821237186949122
He’s on a roll.
‘Yes, my adoptive daughter resisted arrest and shot a cop but why did he let himself get shot? Isn’t it really his fault?’
https://t.co/2JcShIZngs
Ouroboros; faster please.
But if someone can’t bring themselves to engage in some supposedly desired activity simply because they don’t “see themselves represented” and therefore don’t “feel comfortable,” then it seems to me they’re not really trying and are basically making excuses.
That.
But if someone can’t bring themselves to engage in some supposedly desired activity simply because they don’t “see themselves represented” and therefore don’t “feel comfortable,” then it seems to me they’re not really trying and are basically making excuses.
That.
Dangit [+] beat me to it. I would only add “or hold some position” to can’t bring themselves to engage in some supposedly desired activity. This idea that we need to have the flavor of the month represented in some position (usually of power) before anyone else of that flavor can be there is stupid. Has no one ever heard of being a trailblazer? Or is that too much like work.
That.
As I mentioned the last time this subject cropped up, the East Asian walkers and hikers I see in the nearby Peak District – and people just enjoying a modest stroll in pleasing scenery – don’t seem to be inhibited by their minority status. They don’t seem to require hand-holding or identitarian affirmation. They just, you know, go for a walk. But then, they don’t appear to be steeped in a pernicious and infantilising victimhood culture propagated by lefties week-in, week-out.
Related, the inequality of kayaking.
Short version – woman takes on whitewater over her head (NPI) with less than optimal outcome.
After kayaking only two years in a flood stage river how could it could be the fault of anything else.
I guessed that they mentioned the “big drop” to get a laugh and mess with me.
White men never do this sort of thing to one another. It’s strictly a way that we keep minority chicks in line.
After kayaking only two years in a flood stage river how could it could be the fault of anything else.
I wonder why she did not seek out a group of beginners.
a world where people do a double take when they see a young half-Filipino woman with a whitewater kayak
With the implication that this might be raacism. The reality, of course, is that the people she encounters are not thinking about her much at all, but at most merely noticing someone who looks a little out of the ordinary.
Joey: “You think Gabi is okay?”
Karl: “Sure. Why wouldn’t she be?”
Joey: “Well, she took a pretty good tumble in that hole while we were coming through Hollywood.”
Karl: “That? She was down for like ten seconds. You and I have both gone through way worse than that! I’m sure she was shaken up a bit, but she’s back in her boat and telling everyone she’s fine.”
Joey: “I suppose you’re right. We should get going. I mean, God forbid we treat her like a baby — she’d probably write some 5,000-word essay about how hard it is to be treated seriously when you’re a girl kayaker!”
White men never do this sort of thing to one another
I am routinely amazed by how many women take affectionate male “ball-busting” as an attack on their sex, via them.
This, with all the gripes about how “women are socialized to x” or “taught not to y” when there hasn’t been one solitary male involved in that process.
Not to mention the enabling in distinct women’s culture of toxic grudge-holding.
Let’s Have A Conversation about Toxic Femininity, shall we?
…but at most merely noticing someone who looks a little out of the ordinary.
A university student kayaking the James in and near Richmond, VA, nobody would notice. However…
Oh noes, no senior show where people weren’t giving her the expected participation trophy. What is a strong empowered woman to do but cry.
In municipal public finance in the U.S. there’s a big financial document called the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, or CAFR. Today I learned that we’re no longer allowed to say the word “CAFR,” because it sounds too much like a South African racial slur.
I’m guessing that some fresh-out-of-college finance clerk just saw Lethal Weapon 2 for the first time and found a way to leave her mark on the profession.
Today I learned that we’re no longer allowed to say the word “CAFR,” because it sounds too much like a South African racial slur.
Use it because it sounds like kafir and if they gripe, say you are denouncing all the infidels in solidarity with our Islamic brothers. That’ll shut ’em up right quick.
Let’s Have A Conversation about Toxic Femininity, shall we?
Can you imagine the ten-page feature in GQ about how millions of men would rather spend time in an unfinished, unheated garage, watching sports and throwing darts and drinking beer with the other husbands on their block, because they all feel unwelcome in their own homes?
“Jesus, Doug — can’t you go outside if you have to fart like that?”
“Give it a rest, Karen — something needs to counteract the sickening cloud of potpourri saturating this place!”
the people she encounters are not thinking about her much at all
I have become convinced that what fuels a very large number of Angry Studies types is a very potent blend of paranoia and sollipsism.
They start off on the foot that “I feel out of place, this discomfort is because of my race/not-fitting-in”, and then, since they think about their race/complication all the time, they imagine everyone else must think about that race or complication all the time. Thereafter, we have the cartoon image of the evil racialist cabal meeting in secret to Put The Black Man Down or w/e, because it is inconceivable that others will not think about one’s skin tone as much as one does ones self. It is not possible e.g. that anyone paler spends any less time obsessing about race – nor might be comfortable in their own skin. The fact that it is totally ridiculous for a typical middle-class white Kansan to spend as much time thinking about, say, The Hispanic Menace as a Hispanic man might of Hispanic cultural issues is of no object.
It’s one of any number of variations of the poisonous main symptom of a closed leftist mind. “People I disagree with are evil me”. It is impossible for another to have different worldview, different priorities, different understandings, or even different knowledge – all one’s own opinions are the recognized fact acknowledged by all, and only an insane person will attempt to deny and undermine, through some projected version of one’s own vices. How easily the demonization follows all this is left as an exercise – few people are capable of hating anyone as much as themselves.
It’s often quite impossible to unwind this, as well – how easy is it ever to tell someone that they don’t matter, at least to others? That others don’t think about them – or even notice them or care? Ego demands that one faces struggles because one is Radically Important, and the imputed jealousy fills in the gaps…
…but at most merely noticing someone who looks a little out of the ordinary.
But if you actually read the article, she calls up her mentors and they readily agree to go out kayaking with her and others – almost spur of the moment, not usually indicative of shunning. The telling part of the story is when she describes balking at going down one set of rapids. Karl and Joey paddled to the next rapid while the rest of us, the younger, newer paddlers, watched and cheered each other on. We finished up and followed our mentors’ leads. But the author doesn’t want to do what everyone else is doing – following the mentors leads, cheering, pushing to herself to build confidence and ability. So yes, after 2 years she still feels very ill at ease and runs into trouble in one of the rapid sections. But the issues don’t appear remotely related to any “half Filipina” or “woman of color”. In fact the overall gist of the article seems to be that the author overestimated her ability and confidence but if there were more kayakers of color, easier kayaking runs would be performed. OK, but maybe you just need to stay with more beginner groups suited to your ability. Sort of like more traditional “running groups” – you need to join one that actually matches your running level, and you may have to try several before you find a good fit. Pantone shades haves little to do with this.
Sadly, the Los Angeles Times is paywalled,
Here’s the archive link for the article.
And damnation, all the “outdoors for healing” and “long time oppression keeping [victim group de jour] from the outdoors” … I want to scream. WTF are they talking about vis a vis So Calif?
Probably the #1 conduit to learning at a young age about hiking and camping in So Cal was the Scouting programs. Of course, that means adults in their own neighborhoods have to step up and form troops. Wypipo are responsible for “BIPOC” adults eschewing Scouting for their own kids?
And the idea that Latinos don’t go to the outdoors is ridiculous … try hiking in hills north of Azusa or staying in any of the campgrounds there while “white”.
Of course (back to scouting again) many of the BIPOC flatlanders who run up to the local mountains, especially any time it snows, have NO CLUE on how to behave in the wilderness. The amount of damage and trash they leave behind is ridiculous and something that idiot writers like Victoria Hernandez will never address.
have NO CLUE on how to behave in the wilderness. The amount of damage and trash they leave behind
Ouch. My own personal knowledge is extremely limited, dating back to when I was in Scouting and encountered badly behaved affirmative action campers.
And on the subject of “diversity” in hiking, we’ve been here before, of course.
More than once.
Me, too.
“long time oppression keeping [victim group de jour] from the outdoors”
The question-begging and unearned assertions appear to be obligatory. And somehow this has become the default explanation for this inflated micro-woe. Whether in the States or over here, it’s the same template.
Me, too.
From the linked comment: “…we gave up on hiking an area of the San Gabriel Mountains …where one of the lower areas…is clogged with people swimming, leaving dirty diapers, beer cans and piles of trash next to the water. Vast majority of them “Latino” from down the mountain, who don’t have the first clue of how to behave in the wilderness (minimally, you take out what you bring in)…”
Darleen, have you read Victor Davis Hanson’s accounts of the trash and unlawful behavior around his farm?
Since this is an open thread, may I present one of the most cretinous and illogical things I’ve read this year:
https://twitter.com/Clayburn/status/1371268469145079809
@Captain Nemo: great wedding vows! ‘Do you take this minority sex servant…’ 😂
And in the event the above gets deleted, here’s a screengrab:
https://twitter.com/lporiginalg/status/1371482154090295296/photo/1
may I present one of the most cretinous and illogical things I’ve read this year
Or has a wife, as the rest of us might say. I mean, those of us who aren’t racial fetishists and, by the sound of it, projecting wildly.
have you read Victor Davis Hanson’s accounts of the trash and unlawful behavior around his farm?
Oh yes I have. Two things happening … one is cultural where the dumpers have no conscience about their behavior and, two, governmental where the local enforcement policies are driven by $$ .. they know they won’t be getting the fines from the citations as opposed to busting homeowners & businesses for actual trivial stuff so they don’t bother.
A lot of firefighters, first responders and even law enforcement live in the mountain communities of Wrightwood, Running Springs and Big Bear and they’ve come to dread snow because of the invasion of people who just trash their communities including ignoring fences around private properties because “the snow belongs to everyone!”
most cretinous and illogical things I’ve read this year:
I have a hard time following Twitter replies and such. I just don’t get the formatting. Thus when I read replies to tweets, unless the context is clear I have a hard time figuring out if the harsher replies are to the original post (Amber in this case) or to the first responder (this Clayburn guy). I presume the latter but given the degree of stupidity in this world it gets harder and harder to determine who is criticizing whom, whether someone is being sarcastic, what the parody is parodying, etc. Pile on top of that how people are increasingly change the meaning of words to mean their opposite (looking at you, Dictionary.com)…
So you shouldn’t assume someone isn’t racist just because they own a minority sex servant
Sci-fi author Brad Torgersen had the same accusations flung at him during the Sad Puppies affair.
…may I present one of the most cretinous and illogical things I’ve read this year
You mean “this year so far .” 😉
Drama queens gonna drama.
He’s not very good at this being a racist business is he?
Heh.
…most cretinous and illogical things I’ve read this year…
Later down that thread, we meet someone who hasn’t been paying attention, and she has way too much company.
I have become convinced that what fuels a very large number of Angry Studies types is a very potent blend of paranoia and sollipsism
It’s simpler than that: they’re children. Emotionally, anyway. Children think the world revolves around them until well into late adolescence. (This is why trauma affects them so deeply; since to the child everything is about them, the trauma must have been their fault or because of something they did.)
Angry Studies majors have been coddled their entire life and denied the necessary life experiences to see the world as a larger entity independent of their own actions, needs and desires. If they’re discomfited at all or suffer any unpleasantness, it must be due to the deliberate actions of someone else targeting them specifically.
They’re children. Treat them appropriately.
Or has a wife, as the rest of us might say.
Quite. Still, minority sex servant is a great band name.
Apologies if I’ve missed someone else posting it, but the wife in question’s response is rather splendid.
don’t “feel comfortable,” then it seems to me they’re not really trying and are basically making excuses
Perhaps this is salient: in the tabletop gaming hobby, “gatekeeping” (intentionally excluding certain types of people from the hobby) has been a terrible sin for decades. Originally this was driven by the usual handwringing about getting more women into the hobby, a fool’s errand anyway because women don’t want to play D&D or Warhammer 40K as it turns out.
Well, we’ve had about a decade or so of pandering to various identity groups in the hobby, and there’s a very rapidly growing “we need to bring back gatekeeping” movement. No women, no blue-haired freaks of indeterminate gender, no race hustlers, no one who isn’t a straight white man.
It perturbs me. Some of my best gaming buddies are varying shades of brown and are as PO’ed by left-wing identity politics as anyone (Ajay owns more guns than I do, ffs). But here we are.
It’s simpler than that: they’re children.
I don’t think we disagree. That is certainly the core of their beliefs, their worldview. “I am the world, and the world is me and my concerns”. A child’s sollipsism and not an adult variety.
I was proposing a further sort of crippling of reason extending from that – for those who spend time “thinking” – in how the model allows rationalizing of the acts of others. When the subject should *know* intellectually that acts have nothing to do with them, but need an explanation otherwise to comport to the belief it really is still all about them. “That person has done a thing that I don’t understand, therefore it must be explained in terms of what I’d do if I were them – *and evil*.”
Compare Obama’s childish sin-as-in-conflict-with-my-values remarks.
in the tabletop gaming hobby, “gatekeeping”
Gatekeeping is a looming threat of pernicious control that has loomed over tabletop for time immemorial, but always ends up descending on other hobbies instead.
My mother, a very introverted person, engaged briefly with d&d at the end of the ’70s while it was still in packet form but didn’t stay with it. If it didn’t actively keep her out then, how could it be said to keep anyone out since? Rather, it’s been more a thing of the hobby’s Pure Autist Energy and the boredom that often follows it. Why must it be more anguished in welcoming women than model railroading?
Apologies if I’ve missed someone else posting it, but the wife in question’s response is rather splendid.