…since AGW activists…modified the name to “climate change”…
They have also flirted with “climate chaos”, but seem to have largely abandoned it–presumably because it did not poll well. 🙂
Steve E
March 19, 2019 5:29 pm
They have also flirted with “climate chaos”
They should be held accountable to their original thesis which was Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming (CAGW) a descriptive name for their screed and all it promised. The looser the name the lesser the acountability. Climate change is an ongoing natural process few can dispute while CAGW remains a largely unproven “scare” story designed to provide cover for increased wealth expropriation and redistribution.
I’m approaching fifty (no idea how that happened) and I don’t remember a time when some kind of climate catastrophe wasn’t imminent. First it was acid rain caused by CO2 in the atmosphere. They seem to have forgotten about that. Then it was the hole in th ozone layer, but alternatives to CFCs were identified and that one seems to have been sorted. Ever since, it’s been global warming, lately modified to climate change. The tenor has always been “we must act now, or a post-apocalyptic future of flooding in some places, deserts everywhere else. The catastrophe shows no obvious sign of being imminent, no matter how many schoolchildren with no memory of the last 40 years they can terrify. Either all the efforts to reduce emissions have been generally successful, or all the warnings have been a wee bit overstated.
I’m approaching fifty (no idea how that happened) and I don’t remember a time when some kind of climate catastrophe wasn’t imminent.
We’re of a similar age, and I don’t remember any of my classmates giving much thought to the consequences of acid rain, or the lack of anyplace to dump garbage, or the new ice age looming on the horizon. It’s not that we were young and stupid (though we were), nor that we never heard about these pending disasters (we heard plenty). Rather, it was that we had several thousand Soviet ICBM’s pointed at our homes, and woke up each morning with the small but significant chance that life on Earth would be snuffed out at the touch of a button.
Fortunately for all of us, and all who have come after, we had Sting. After Dream of the Blue Turtles was released, I knew we’d be okay, because of course the Russians love their children, too.
Of course our lack of long-term planning had consequences. We’re just lucky that the acid rain melted the mountains of garbage, and what remained was covered up by the ice and snow. Life finds a way!
Pst314
March 19, 2019 6:51 pm
Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming
Anthropogenic (darned autocorrect?) but the idea of an apococalyptic plague of furries is funny.
Sam
March 19, 2019 7:00 pm
In terms of the quantity of furries, what’s the cutoff between “convention” and “apocalyptic plague”?
Something tells me we’ll need to know.
WTP
March 19, 2019 7:04 pm
Rather, it was that we had several thousand Soviet ICBM’s pointed at our homes, and woke up each morning with the small but significant chance that life on Earth would be snuffed out at the touch of a button.
As an 11 year old boy I was told by my “teachers” in a parochial school that the events of October 1973 were aligning very closely with biblical prophecy. As the bible tells us, no one will know when the end times actually will occur. They suggested what better time for such a thing to happen but at the upcoming Christmas season when everyone is distracted with the festivities. So I spent that fall into winter obsessed with thinking, as close to 24/7 as possible, about the end of the world. Because of course if just one person would think about it, it wouldn’t happen. And you know, guess what guess what guess what? It didn’t happen. Did I so much as get a thank you for saving the world? No. You bastards don’t even have the g-d common courtesy to send me a Christmas card. A similar thing might also explain what happened to the Ozone hole, though I can’t personally take credit for it. Just a suspicion. Also tangentially, the world was going to run out of oil anyway by 1978…but I digress…
Anthropogenic (darned autocorrect?) but the idea of an apococalyptic plague of furries is funny.
Lol! Thanks. Ahem, yes darned autocorrect. In terms of the quantity of furries, what’s the cutoff between “convention” and “apocalyptic plague”?
It depends on how much you’ve had to drink/smoke/and or snort. If you’ve had the brown acid then the answer is one.
Steve E
March 19, 2019 8:00 pm
Because of course if just one person would think about it, it wouldn’t happen.
For me it was the magical qualities of baking soda that could prevent bad things from happening. My grandfather told me that grandma put baking soda in the refrigerator to keep the elephants out. I’ve never seen an elephant in any refrigerator that held a box of baking soda. I’d like to think it worked for the ozone layer too–some sort of chemical reaction I suspect.
the magical qualities of baking soda…
Another St. Patrick’s Day, another round of confusion as to why “soda bread” tastes nothing like Coca-Cola.
That being said, I must admit that I’ve never seen an elephant in an Irish pub, so at least that theory is still whole.
“Rightist” Ideology?
A bit of a contradiction in terms, I feel, but I know what you mean.
Start, perhaps, with a sense of responsibility; to the past, the present, and the future. We have inherited something, mostly good, from our ancestors, who went through great troubles to leave us what they did.
We have a responsibility to identify and conserve the best of what our ancestors left us, and improve it where possible for the sake of our posterity.
Only when we accept responsibility can we insist on reasonable liberty, to take the risks life sends our way, and enjoy the fruits of our efforts.
I take the view that our sub-species is well equipped to do this without much compulsion, simply education for the young and sanction – severe if necessary – for those who break the rules most of us keep without difficulty.
If you detect a touch of race realism in my views, I will not deny it. I also recommend some ideological realism when considering the types described here: they are our deadly enemies, and may have to be killed in the end, without sentiment.
You all seem like an astute and cultured bunch, so I’ll ask…. How many people here have been watching ‘Love, death and robots’, a collection of animated SF shorts on Netflix? I’ve watched all but the last three so far and I’ve been quite enjoying it for what it is. There’s some stunning visual imagination and creativity on display. Some of the criticisms online are a bit predictable – the shows aren’t feminist enough for the Grauniad, basically (but then, what is?) I think the weaknesses of the shorts arise because of their strengths – ie, the focus on animation and CGI has meant plot and character and narrative creativity are sometimes missing. And some of the old fantasy-SF tropes are really wearing thin (another story about werewolves/vampires? Really?) For me, the more realistic and 3D the animation is, ironically, the worse the results (I think it’s one reason why the ‘this aren’t feministing good!’ cry goes out from the likes of Grauniad journos – realistically animated men and women somehow look more porny than the old ‘Elmer Fudd’ style of animation). Anyway, those are just a few thoughts – I’m interested in knowing what others think.
jabrwok
March 20, 2019 12:01 am
‘Love, death and robots’,
Nope. Don’t have Netflix. I’ve been watching Terrence Popp on YouTube.
NSFW for language and non-PC opinions. The Grauniad would have a conniption.
“what is “rightist” ideology driven by you think?”
I’ve been here before many times. There is no single, identifiable trait of “rightism”, other than that it isn’t Leftism. So the answer is, “Anything you want it to be”. Or, perhaps more accurately, “Anything the Left needs it to be, at any given moment”.
This became clear to me in my early 20s, as an avid reader of the old music weeklies. One minute they were solemnly accusing Morrissey of harbouring Nazi sympathines because he had the temerity to wave a Union Jack on stage, and within a year or so were happily blazoning the very same flag over their front pages as part of the whole “Cool Britannia” brouhaha. And now were back to “Union Jack = Nazi” again.
But then, I suppose that’s where postmodernism gets you. “I’m approaching fifty (no idea how that happened)”
I hear you. I’m just about getting used to being over 30, and now suddenly I’m nearly 50. Slow the hell down, dammit!
Ray
March 20, 2019 9:19 am
Coming to this a little late, but my understanding of firemen’s other duties was putting the fire engine outside on a sunny day and then stripping to the waist and giving it a good wash. This excited one of my wife’s friends no end and the mere mention of yellow waterproof trousers would have her quite flustered. Come to think of it, having firewomen strip to the waist and wash the engine would probably be worth a watch too.
…since AGW activists…modified the name to “climate change”…
They have also flirted with “climate chaos”, but seem to have largely abandoned it–presumably because it did not poll well. 🙂
They have also flirted with “climate chaos”
They should be held accountable to their original thesis which was Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming (CAGW) a descriptive name for their screed and all it promised. The looser the name the lesser the acountability. Climate change is an ongoing natural process few can dispute while CAGW remains a largely unproven “scare” story designed to provide cover for increased wealth expropriation and redistribution.
I’m approaching fifty (no idea how that happened) and I don’t remember a time when some kind of climate catastrophe wasn’t imminent. First it was acid rain caused by CO2 in the atmosphere. They seem to have forgotten about that. Then it was the hole in th ozone layer, but alternatives to CFCs were identified and that one seems to have been sorted. Ever since, it’s been global warming, lately modified to climate change. The tenor has always been “we must act now, or a post-apocalyptic future of flooding in some places, deserts everywhere else. The catastrophe shows no obvious sign of being imminent, no matter how many schoolchildren with no memory of the last 40 years they can terrify. Either all the efforts to reduce emissions have been generally successful, or all the warnings have been a wee bit overstated.
alternatives to CFCs were identified and that one seems to have been sorted
Or so they say…
https://www.greenbiz.com/article/ozone-problem-back-vengeance
but…
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/good-news-about-ozone-hole-even-better-you-think-ncna835971
Odd.
Meanwhile, checkout Beto’s Big Giant Head….
https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-2020-earth-art-appears-texas-story-amazing-man-1367442
I’m approaching fifty (no idea how that happened) and I don’t remember a time when some kind of climate catastrophe wasn’t imminent.
We’re of a similar age, and I don’t remember any of my classmates giving much thought to the consequences of acid rain, or the lack of anyplace to dump garbage, or the new ice age looming on the horizon. It’s not that we were young and stupid (though we were), nor that we never heard about these pending disasters (we heard plenty). Rather, it was that we had several thousand Soviet ICBM’s pointed at our homes, and woke up each morning with the small but significant chance that life on Earth would be snuffed out at the touch of a button.
Fortunately for all of us, and all who have come after, we had Sting. After Dream of the Blue Turtles was released, I knew we’d be okay, because of course the Russians love their children, too.
Of course our lack of long-term planning had consequences. We’re just lucky that the acid rain melted the mountains of garbage, and what remained was covered up by the ice and snow. Life finds a way!
Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming
Anthropogenic (darned autocorrect?) but the idea of an apococalyptic plague of furries is funny.
In terms of the quantity of furries, what’s the cutoff between “convention” and “apocalyptic plague”?
Something tells me we’ll need to know.
Rather, it was that we had several thousand Soviet ICBM’s pointed at our homes, and woke up each morning with the small but significant chance that life on Earth would be snuffed out at the touch of a button.
As an 11 year old boy I was told by my “teachers” in a parochial school that the events of October 1973 were aligning very closely with biblical prophecy. As the bible tells us, no one will know when the end times actually will occur. They suggested what better time for such a thing to happen but at the upcoming Christmas season when everyone is distracted with the festivities. So I spent that fall into winter obsessed with thinking, as close to 24/7 as possible, about the end of the world. Because of course if just one person would think about it, it wouldn’t happen. And you know, guess what guess what guess what? It didn’t happen. Did I so much as get a thank you for saving the world? No. You bastards don’t even have the g-d common courtesy to send me a Christmas card. A similar thing might also explain what happened to the Ozone hole, though I can’t personally take credit for it. Just a suspicion. Also tangentially, the world was going to run out of oil anyway by 1978…but I digress…
(The Modern Parents by John Fardell, from Viz)
Anthropogenic (darned autocorrect?) but the idea of an apococalyptic plague of furries is funny.
Lol! Thanks. Ahem, yes darned autocorrect.
In terms of the quantity of furries, what’s the cutoff between “convention” and “apocalyptic plague”?
It depends on how much you’ve had to drink/smoke/and or snort. If you’ve had the brown acid then the answer is one.
Because of course if just one person would think about it, it wouldn’t happen.
For me it was the magical qualities of baking soda that could prevent bad things from happening. My grandfather told me that grandma put baking soda in the refrigerator to keep the elephants out. I’ve never seen an elephant in any refrigerator that held a box of baking soda. I’d like to think it worked for the ozone layer too–some sort of chemical reaction I suspect.
the magical qualities of baking soda…
Another St. Patrick’s Day, another round of confusion as to why “soda bread” tastes nothing like Coca-Cola.
That being said, I must admit that I’ve never seen an elephant in an Irish pub, so at least that theory is still whole.
Not just Fireman Sam. Offence archaeologists have found Peppa Pig refers to FireMEN.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/19/peppa-pig-sexism-row-use-word-fireman-8938361/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Never mind that it took 10 years for anyone to take offence, or that the fire brigade is female only. No, cartoon pig says wrong word so ‘Evil!!!!’
“Rightist” Ideology?
A bit of a contradiction in terms, I feel, but I know what you mean.
Start, perhaps, with a sense of responsibility; to the past, the present, and the future. We have inherited something, mostly good, from our ancestors, who went through great troubles to leave us what they did.
We have a responsibility to identify and conserve the best of what our ancestors left us, and improve it where possible for the sake of our posterity.
Only when we accept responsibility can we insist on reasonable liberty, to take the risks life sends our way, and enjoy the fruits of our efforts.
I take the view that our sub-species is well equipped to do this without much compulsion, simply education for the young and sanction – severe if necessary – for those who break the rules most of us keep without difficulty.
If you detect a touch of race realism in my views, I will not deny it. I also recommend some ideological realism when considering the types described here: they are our deadly enemies, and may have to be killed in the end, without sentiment.
You all seem like an astute and cultured bunch, so I’ll ask…. How many people here have been watching ‘Love, death and robots’, a collection of animated SF shorts on Netflix? I’ve watched all but the last three so far and I’ve been quite enjoying it for what it is. There’s some stunning visual imagination and creativity on display. Some of the criticisms online are a bit predictable – the shows aren’t feminist enough for the Grauniad, basically (but then, what is?) I think the weaknesses of the shorts arise because of their strengths – ie, the focus on animation and CGI has meant plot and character and narrative creativity are sometimes missing. And some of the old fantasy-SF tropes are really wearing thin (another story about werewolves/vampires? Really?) For me, the more realistic and 3D the animation is, ironically, the worse the results (I think it’s one reason why the ‘this aren’t feministing good!’ cry goes out from the likes of Grauniad journos – realistically animated men and women somehow look more porny than the old ‘Elmer Fudd’ style of animation). Anyway, those are just a few thoughts – I’m interested in knowing what others think.
‘Love, death and robots’,
Nope. Don’t have Netflix. I’ve been watching Terrence Popp on YouTube.
NSFW for language and non-PC opinions. The Grauniad would have a conniption.
“what is “rightist” ideology driven by you think?”
I’ve been here before many times. There is no single, identifiable trait of “rightism”, other than that it isn’t Leftism. So the answer is, “Anything you want it to be”. Or, perhaps more accurately, “Anything the Left needs it to be, at any given moment”.
This became clear to me in my early 20s, as an avid reader of the old music weeklies. One minute they were solemnly accusing Morrissey of harbouring Nazi sympathines because he had the temerity to wave a Union Jack on stage, and within a year or so were happily blazoning the very same flag over their front pages as part of the whole “Cool Britannia” brouhaha. And now were back to “Union Jack = Nazi” again.
But then, I suppose that’s where postmodernism gets you.
“I’m approaching fifty (no idea how that happened)”
I hear you. I’m just about getting used to being over 30, and now suddenly I’m nearly 50. Slow the hell down, dammit!
Coming to this a little late, but my understanding of firemen’s other duties was putting the fire engine outside on a sunny day and then stripping to the waist and giving it a good wash. This excited one of my wife’s friends no end and the mere mention of yellow waterproof trousers would have her quite flustered. Come to think of it, having firewomen strip to the waist and wash the engine would probably be worth a watch too.