Hustlers Gonna Hustle
“You’re a mean, mad, white man.”
In the video below, Jordan Peterson, Stephen Fry, Michelle Goldberg and Michael Dyson debate political correctness and “white privilege.”
Note that when asked to estimate the degree to which Peterson has benefitted from his alleged “white privilege,” and to suggest specific measures of correction, Ms Goldberg carefully ignores the question, and Dr Dyson, a professor of sociology, proudly makes the six-word assertion quoted above, and which he later repeats as a supposedly triumphal mic-drop. After some rhetorical meandering, Dr Dyson also informs the audience that “white privilege doesn’t act according to quantifiable segments,” and that to ask for specifics, actual points that might be discussed and tested, is itself a sign of “white privilege,” especially when such questions are asked with “lethal intensity.”
Apparently, one must simply defer, indefinitely, without quite knowing the reason why.
A longer, two-hour video of the discussion can be found here, along with an audience poll on whether political correctness is indeed the measure of progress.
Update:
In the comments, Joan shares this short but telling clip illustrating the lofty standard of debate offered by Ms Goldberg, one of the New York Times’ finest. Readers are invited to watch the clip and then join me in devising possible excuses. For instance,
“I, a professional journalist with a degree in journalism from Berkeley, didn’t actually bother to watch the interview that I referred to repeatedly during a public debate and which I cited with great enthusiasm, and in which both the interviewer and interviewee make clear, pointedly and repeatedly – at least three times – that Peterson didn’t say what I, a professional journalist and self-styled upholder of good manners, claimed that he said.”
Of course the acid test of Ms Goldberg’s integrity, such as it may be, is how she responds to the dozens of people who’ve tweeted her with proof of this, shall we say, error. Will there be a retraction, an admission of ineptness, an apology to Peterson?
Four days in and nothing so far.
It’s time to regard the progressive left as a disorder. Not rhetorically, actually. It’s at that point that they cease to be and the ostensible right can get back to relearning the principles it forgot, a talent scores of non-rightists practice far, far better than it.
Otherwise? Co-dependency.
Maybe it is just me, but as Dyson’s rants went on, the members of the audience within camera range started giving each other side glances. At one point I could swear I heard an almost collective intake of breath, and not in a good way.
Seemed like he managed to alienate almost the whole house.
I’ve said it before. Politicians on the left promise to use the power of the state to improve life for the disadvantaged, and politicians on the right promise to shrink the state and get out of our lives, but in power, both use the state to enrich their friends.
Although to be honest, I’d prefer routine petty corruption to the prospect of a true believer like John McDonnell with his hands on the levers of power.
a true believer like John McDonnell
Speaking of whom.
“a mean, mad, white man”
Aren’t the first two adjectives redundant when followed by “white man”?
The grammar of racist invective – I mean political correctness – can be confusing.
Seemed like he managed to alienate almost the whole house.
Well, he isn’t the most charming creature to stumble across the Earth. And I suspect that this kind of racial browbeating and theatrical victimology works best when there’s some other leverage in play – in a classroom, where grades may be at stake, or at some mandatory workplace “diversity training.” In a mixed crowd and free from peer pressure and the usual forms of censure, it just looks obnoxious, pretentious and wearying.
Some formed an opinion of Dyson much like my own – i.e., of a nasty, incompetent sophist, a man accustomed to getting away with second-rate race-hustling.
Compare and contrast.
What, you’re going to keep fighting until those 800 years never happened?
Heh, nice one!
That was one of the most frustrating “debates” I’ve ever watched. Dyson’s a one-trick-pony. Back when I had a television (and I’m sure even today), one could regularly see him on the political shouting matches spouting his hustle play to the ignorant marks watching.
Peterson kept asking his “opponents” (and I put that within quotation marks because to not do so would give Dyson and Goldberg more than they deserve) when would they say that the Left had gone too far, and the question never was answered. Oh, Goldberg eventually vomited up some mealy-mouthed verbal pig’s breakfast about violence. Under that measure, the Left has already gone too far (witness, to choose but one example, Cal-Berkeley when Milo (Can’t spell his last name) showed up.
the bizarre claim that you can’t treat black people as individuals unless you first think of them as an interchangeable pile of victims with no agency of their own.
Logic is hard.
It was, I think, telling that the champion of political correctness was the one reduced to making inappropriate gay jokes.
When you really *care* about minorities… 🙂
When you really *care* about minorities… 🙂
Well, quite. I’m not necessarily put out by gay jokes – I’ve heard one or two belters – but given the context, it was bizarrely inapt – and naff. It was so tone deaf and incongruous that Peterson looked across at Fry as if to say, “What the hell is going on?” And it did rather suggest that the piety being professed, all that gushing sensitivity, may not be entirely sincere.
Would you like to make a statement before your sentence is carried out?
“lethal intensity”
This is, of course, a rhetorical device to justify violent suppression of dissent. Let’s treat Dyson as the enemy of civilization that he is.
And it did rather suggest that the piety being professed, all that gushing sensitivity, may not be entirely sincere.
These aren’t your amateur empathizers who just have warm feelings towards humanity. Professional-level empathizers are licensed to judge who doesn’t deserve empathy. Competitive callousness is where the fun and profit is for the pro-empathizer.
https://thompsonblog.co.uk/2018/01/elsewhere-261.html
20-year Milgram Experiment, where the meta-message inside political correctness is to override your own judgement
Try at least 40 years. It was that far back that they told me that the US Civil War was NOT about slavery. Or at least that is what we were told to write on the big test if we wanted to get credit for knowing anything about the most prominent conflict in our nation’s history.
“Milo (Can’t spell his last name)”
It’s Yanny-something. Or Laurel.
More Jordan Peterson…
http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/21/the-left-and-the-right-arent-hearing-the-same-jordan-peterson/
US higher education doubles down on stupid…
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10920
And then the terminally inadequate Ms Goldberg simply lies about what Peterson said,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhl5yeZlltI
And she writes for the NYT.
And she writes for the NYT.
Heh. Thanks for that. And so we have to wonder whether Ms Goldberg, our statusful columnist and “senior correspondent” with a degree in journalism from Berkeley, is an incompetent giggling ditz, or a liar. Though I suppose it could be both.
And she writes for the NYT.
I’m now imagining the possible excuses. “I, a professional journalist with a degree in journalism from Berkeley, didn’t actually bother to watch the interview that I referred to repeatedly during a public debate and cited with great enthusiasm, and in which both the interviewer and interviewee make clear, pointedly and repeatedly – at least three times – that Peterson didn’t say what I, a professional journalist and self-styled upholder of good manners, claimed he said.”
Of course the acid test of Ms Goldberg’s integrity, such as it may be, is how she responds to the dozens of people who’ve tweeted her with proof of this, shall we say, error. Will there be a retraction, an admission of ineptness, an apology to Peterson?
Four days in and nothing so far.
Post updated.
ZeroFox Given attempts to parse the ramblings of Michael Dyson.
Inappropriate gay jokes.
A display of raw power. I can say these things, you cannot.
So Dyson’s point is that since Jordan Peterson is doing very well as an author pointing out problems in society then there is nothing to worry about?
Peterson isn’t pointing out the problems with his own life, he is pointing out the problems with society.
And why can’t we make gay jokes?
Maybe some gays like humour.
“Inappropriate Gay Jokes”
Band name?
Band name?
It’s certainly a name that’s easier to say to my mother than “The Butthole Surfers”:
“I thought you were going to that new movie with your friends.”
“We’ve put it off to Sunday because Carl backed out to see the Butthole Surfers.”
“…”
Inappropriate gay jokes.
