When Bedlamites Gather
Following his appearance at a “white privilege” conference, a white male sociologist corrects a small factual error – and is promptly denounced.
You see, politely correcting a factual error – and thereby revealing an insinuation of “white supremacy” as absurd – is somehow proof of “defensiveness,” “white fragility,” and, by implication, latent white evil.
Via Damian, who adds, “It doesn’t matter how actually correct you are; you will never appease the politically correct.” Quite. Because the drama, indignation and passive-aggressive spite must go on indefinitely. How else will people know their place in the egalitarian pecking order, and to whom they should defer, always and forever?
Given that I’m a) white and b) massively intellectually superior to these window-lickers then yep, I guess I’m a white supremacist, faute de mieux.
If you’re going to attach labels to people, in bad faith, then don’t be too surprised if they decide to own them. I’m being ironic in the preceding paragraph (in case it wasn’t obvious), but at some point I might cease to be.
My grandparents spent some time in Communist Europe post WW2 and this sort of behaviout is exactly what they saw then
Posted by: Dan | April 20, 2016 at 08:37
It also occurred in the Communist Party of the USA around 1950. Dalton Trumbo got it. Dee Ron and Allis Radosh’s “Red Star Over Hollywood”. You can use Amazon’s “search inside”.
Also see Dorothy Healey, in “California Red: A Life in the American Communist Party”. Search Google Books for her last name and the phrase “white chauvinism”.
Liberal petard hoisting. Always a pleasure.
But I thought Communism was a beat-up and it was Senator McCarthy who was totally deluded and also evil? That’s what they taught me at school!
Everyone’s a little bit racist?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM
Oh the whole Twitter thread relating to this conference fallout is a hilarious read.
But I thought Communism was a beat-up and it was Senator McCarthy who was totally deluded and also evil?
Ehn.
When right wing liberal, one claims that McCarthy is the saint and Stalin the evil monster.
When left wing liberal, one claims that Stalin is the saint and McCarthy the evil monster.
When conservative, one notes that both are the evil monsters, while also noting that Stalin’s situation and environment allowed him to rack up his pile of murders, where McCarthy’s situation and environment allowed him to destroy himself instead.
No earthly force could untangle that kind of mental wreckage.
An entire pantheon of gods couldn’t do it.
Well, if disagreement is instantly construed as proof of wrongdoing, and if further attempts to explain one’s position or to correct some faulty assumption are regarded as scandalous provocations, it’s hard to see how a realistic discussion could take place. Reading these tweets, and others by the attendees, I tried to imagine how I’d go about engaging with such people, how it might play out. But it’s almost as if the goal were to make realistic discussion as difficult and unrewarding as possible. A coincidence, I’m sure.
McCarthy was largely correct about the marxistic penetration of Hollywood. He handled matters badly. Considering the “storytellers” he was up against it is not surprising he ended up cast as the monster.
DiCentra is correct–this stuff is not a joke. The SJW dross are a massive danger to the future of us all. They must be purged from the Unis and the Red Guard scum likewise.
That’s not conservative, that’s retarded.
And that’s absurd. You’re dismissing millions of deaths and countless other crimes as “situation and environment” to pretend that a mega-murdering, government-toppling, country-annexing, genocidal despot is somehow the moral equivalent of a peaceful civil activist. I can object to McCarthy on choice of tactics, but it’s nonsense to call him an evil monster.
McCarthy stated that there was ongoing Communist subversion and worked to oppose it at a time when there was ongoing Communist subversion. For this he was destroyed, in no small part by Communist sympathizers. This doesn’t make him a saint, but it does qualify him for speaking truth to power. For an example of how high and far the subversion reached, consider for example Silvermaster.
And so there was a Communist agent overseeing US production, telling the Soviet Union what the US was producing and how much, thanks to the backing of other Communist agents in high places. Silvermaster, Currie, White, Golos, Perlo, Hiss – we have the records now, for the most part. We know about e.g. Communists at the Treasury smuggling printing plates to the Soviets so they could print American currency. We have the defectors like Bentley and Bezmenov describing the Communists’ attempted subversion and infiltration of everything they could put an agent in, from Hollywood to high school, with definite malicious intent.
What microbillionaire said. And bobby Kennedy was right by Joe all the way, to some extent rightly, yet avoided any of the scorn.
Regarding Evil, White, Racists, here’s one of the sadder testimonials I’ve seen (about 19 minutes long): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAPKqjFeXxA
Meanwhile, further to this, the arrest of serial vandal and race-baiter Denzel McDonald has apparently caused uproar and searing mental trauma across campus, or at least among other pernicious little clowns in the University of Wisconsin’s Department of Afro-American Studies:
Because when the police calmly and politely arrest a black thug who’s wanted for threatening behaviour and 11 counts of vandalism, causing thousands of dollars of damage – specifically, spraying deranged anti-white racist graffiti on campus walls – the real victims here are, apparently, professors of Afro-American Studies.
“there are consequences for perpetuating white supremacy”
Not enthusiastically agreeing with these people all the time is apparently “perpetuating white supremacy”. Pretty cool, huh?
Meanwhile, further to this, the arrest of serial vandal and race-baiter Denzel McDonald has apparently caused uproar and searing mental trauma across campus, or at least among other pernicious little clowns in the University of Wisconsin’s Department of Afro-American Studies.
Perhaps ‘diversity’ isn’t a strength after all?
Storysharing?!?!?!?!?!
It’s presumably an extension of so-called “critical race theory.”
McCarthy . . . . was destroyed, in no small part by Communist sympathizers.
Heh!
Sooo, if we’re correctly understanding your claims, The Senate of The United States Of America was documented and well known for taking the direct orders of Stalin’s Kremlin . . . .
Ehn, No.
McCarthy will remain as he is and has been, an American analogue to the Soviet Stalin.
Ehn, No. McCarthy never killed anybody, outside of war that is. Stalin killed what? 20 million?
If you want an analogue to Joe McCarthy, witch hunts, and such, look no further than the special snowflakes falling all around. Which brings us right back in a nice circle to the beginnings. Ain’t life some kind of poetry?
McCarthy never killed anybody, outside of war that is.
??? The idea that he actually succeeded in getting anyone killed does look odd–And yes, apparently his own associates state he didn’t kill anyone at all . . .
Stalin killed what? 20 million?
Or something . . . so yes, being where he was, he could get that done. In America, McCarthy was limited to bullying, blustering, and being full of himself, thus being quite the useful idiot for his Eastern European analogues.—Beria just popped into mind, and since Beria was indeed in the USSR instead of safely in the US like McCarthy, he got shot . . .
If you want an analogue to Joe McCarthy, witch hunts, and such, look no further than the special snowflakes falling all around.
Bingo. Now imagine them continuing to be just like McCarthy, running for office so that they can carry on in some legislature just like McCarthy did . . . .
“Legislators would divert funds currently allocated to the Office of Diversity, “to minority scholarships for engineering students. ”
BWAHAHAhahaha…
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2016/04/19/senate-panel-votes-strip-university-tennessee-diversity-funds/83233434/
McCarthy stated that there was ongoing Communist subversion and worked to oppose it at a time when there was ongoing Communist subversion.
And how many of them did McCarthy uncover? If he had turned over dozens of actual spies, instead of ruining the lives of people who weren’t, he would be remembered fondly.
There were Communist agents at the time (probably still are) but it’s not like the FBI wasn’t looking for them. McCarthy’s public denouncements didn’t work, and didn’t help. (When you uncover a spy, it’s really quite important that you don’t blab about it initially, so that you can work him or her for a while.)
McCarthy was brought down because he was about to destroy the army as his next target. Starting a witch-hunt in the military is really not good, a public witch-hunt even worse. (Stalin’s “purge” of the army was a good reason Hitler was so successful in Operation Barbarossa.)
True, McCarthy didn’t kill anyone. But then he never got the chance. Other people saw him for the lunatic he was and chopped him off. I have no doubt that public executions would have been his thing, given half a chance.
@ Microbillionaire
McCarthy began his anti-Communist crusade purely to bolster his own electoral chances. His targets included men like George Marshall and Dean Acheson who did more to fight the Cold War against Communism and to protect the American people than Tail-Gunner Joe ever did. He smeared public servants for crimes they did not commit, and the end result was that he discredited a cause that was honourable through his opportunism and deceit.
Remember that story about the boy who cried wolf? That was Joe McCarthy, that was.
Yeah…so my OCD can’t leave this as is…
Yes, Joe McCarthy was a problem. Yes he was overzealous to a dangerous degree. But much similar can be said of the over reaction to the over reaction to the discovery of communists and communist sympathizers in some high positions in the US government. To turn the term “useful idiot” inside out to apply it to JMcC, while novel and amusing, distracts from the far wider, far more damaging useful idiots who blew the problem out of proportion. Most people who were both alive and of mature age from that time are now gone. But I recall studying this in school, in AP history. And I recall bringing the subject up with numerous older adults, besides my parents. It fascinated me how this subject was being emphasized in school to such a degree yet I had only started hearing of it then. While these older adults gave me some background on it and several thought JMcC had gone too far, not one of my parent’s friends, my scoutmaster, or others had the “crisis point in US history” view, the degree, that was being promulgated in my classroom or the news media at the time. Now granted this is my empirical perspective but at the time I wrote these older adults off, even the ones I suspected were Democrats, as the dumb ole conservative know-nothings that was the cultural perspective at the time. But as I got older, and with the ease of digging into numerous perspectives via the internet, I developed an appreciation for the times in which these events took place. Secrets on the bomb had been leaked to the Soviets. The Rosenbergs had been busted and executed. The Profumo scandal was not long after. There may not have been reds under the bed, but there were reds and they were serious.
Again, remember he wasn’t a totally loose cannon. He was, despite being a Republican, good friends with the staunchly anti-communist Kennedys. He was godfather to RFK’s first child. RFK quit working with him when he went too far, but there was a reason this process started out as bipartisan. And RFK refused to attack McCarthy when challenged to. This perspective is never brought up in the MSM and grandly glossed over in mainstream academia. But it’s there.
You are not. You are so far from understanding them that I am reminded of Clarke’s Corollary to Heinlein’s Razor: Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
I noted Communists in high places outside the Senate, and I said that there existed Communist sympathizers who worked against McCarthy.
From this you committed an Olympic-grade leap of logic to somehow mangle this into
To paraphrase Welch, have you no sense of intellectual honesty?
My claims concern the opposition to McCarthy – which overlaps with, but is not identical with, the Senate. One example of such might be the infamous See It Now program concerning Annie Lee Moss, speaking of which:
Moss, that supposed icon of injured innocence, turned out to be a Communist party member, and to have lied about this under oath. Got any other candidates for ruined lives you want to propose?
Moreover, I’m claiming fellow travelers, not just Party members.
Try Elizabeth Bentley’s story for another example of what’s going on. Bentley is not a devoted Communist. Bentley is a devoted Christian, and for a while she believes that Communism is doing Christian things, and supports Communism to oppose Fascism. Then she ceases to believe that Communism is doing Christian things, and ceases to believe that supporting Communism is a good way of opposing Fascism, and so defects. En route, she intertwines with a heck of a lot of Communists and Communist sympathizers.
Or consider the “alternative explanation” Wikipedia mentions in its account of how the Soviets ended up with American treasury plates:
Rewording that last part slightly: ‘The Soviet Union demanded American Treasury plates, and American government officials thought that keeping the Soviet Union happy was important enough to go along with this.’
Summing up, there’s a spectrum of explanation here. At one end, you believe that the American government was riddled with treacherous spies, and at the other end, you believe that the American government was riddled with non-spies who just happened to think that giving the murderous Communist regime everything it wanted was somehow good for America. But the fact remains that when the Soviets said “Jump”, the American governing structure went weak at the knees.
To what degree the pinkos were powered by the pay of the Kremlin or by unpaid idealism is beside the point.
The single most shocking thing I’ve heard on the BBC (I know, stiff competition, especially if you take an interest in its climate coverage) was a Radio 4 programme where a group of BBC types looked back on some historical event – in this case the unmasking of Anthony Blunt as a Soviet agent. Granted, Brian Sewell was present (and I can forgive him for being loyal to his friend), but the rest were unable to utter a single syllable in condemnation of his treachery. Not one word.
Treason which extended back into the time of the Nazi-Soviet pact, when the Soviet Union was actively supporting the German war effort and communist union leaders were actively working against our own.
Those who were communists (in the US just as much as anywhere else) when Stalin was on the throne were Stalin’s agents: each and every one of them. Some were used by the Soviets, some were not: but they were all available.
Stalin: you might be a bad person when the number of people you’ve murdered is most often rounded off by the tens of millions.
Stalin: you might be a bad person when the number of people you’ve murdered is most often rounded off by the tens of millions.
Ooooohhhhh. That comment isn’t good, that comment is excellent.
Have a couple of pieces of David’s cake.
“Fellow travelling” has never been illegal.
Nor should it ever be. Freedom of thought is a tenet of liberalism (small L) worth fighting for.
Belonging to illegal organisations is illegal. Selling out your country is illegal regardless of political affiliation. Traitors should be hunted out and punished mercilessly.
But there is no decency in witch-hunts for “wrong thought”. It’s disgraceful when the SJWs do it, and it was disgraceful when McCarthy did it.
I don’t care that Communism is a plague on humanity. Everyone has the right to go about their business regardless of what I think, provided they stay inside the law.
“Fellow travelling” has never been illegal.
Nor should it ever be. Freedom of thought is a tenet of liberalism (small L) worth fighting for.
Nor is anyone here saying it should be, unless I missed it. Nor was such the focus of JMcC efforts. He was trying to root out communists in the State Department, Army, and elsewhere in the US government. AGAIN, he certainly went overboard which has been stated in the comments here several times. One could work for the government without swearing that they were not be a member of the communist party, nor any organization that advocates the violent overthrow of the United States and its constitutional form of government. I signed an oath stating such several times well into the 1980’s to apply for jobs even outside of government in critical industries such as electric power and such. If you were a communist and you were working in the US government you were a subversive. Outside of government, I don’t think there was ever a law forbidding people from being communists. There was, and still is I think, a Communist Party USA.
That shoul read “One could not work for the government…”
WTP: Microbillionaire appears to be saying that Joe McCarthy was on the right track, because even if some people had not actually committed any offences that they were fair game for a hunt because their political opinions were wrong. (He said “Moreover, I’m claiming fellow travelers, not just Party members.”)
Outside of government, I don’t think there was ever a law forbidding people from being communists.
No law maybe, but the Hollywood “blacklist” wasn’t deemed illegal. And the US government “investigated” Hollywood for communist subversion as if it was.
I read Micro-b’s comments a little more nuanced than that, but I’ll leave him to clarify if necessary. As for the Hollywood blacklist, the House Un-American Activities Committee was responsible for that. Again, a bipartisan group that did its own damage but also uncovered a number of communists in government. But JMcC was a senator. He never served in the HoR.
And again, for all the faults of the anti-Reds, and they are numerous, they pale in comparison to the damage that communism has done. The very fact that we, on a conservative leaning, rather staunchly anti-communist and anti-socialist site are tying ourselves in knots over this is really quite telling on how deeply such socialist propaganda has poisoned rational political discussion.
“Bedlamites” is an apropos tag for these neo-jocobin creatures but not strong enough nor indicative of the perfidy that drives their motivation.
Anyone sick enough to disavow (read; betray) their race, culture and heritage of democracy,freedom and prosperity, is demented enough to take others with them on their political/cultural suicide attempt. This is why they align with west-hating radicals of Islam – a fanatic tag team effort to deconstruct western liberal pluralistic democracy.
This latest hatch of western communists haven’t the ethical or moral passion that drove their progenitors to treason – theirs is a sickness of soul and misanthropic malevolence only military intervention will cure.
Make no mistake, these are revolutionary weapons grade commies, not the buffoons you would like to think, and if you ignore them you will certainly end up fighting them to keep your country free.
I didn’t mean being a fellow traveler was illegal, I meant that people who did illegal Communist-supporting things – like treason – did them for reasons of both being fellow travelers and being Party members.