Such Details Are Beneath Her
Readers of this blog will, over the years, have marvelled at the outpourings of one Polly Toynbee, the Guardian’s foremost social commentator and hand-wringer in chief, a woman voted “the most influential commentator in the UK” and whose views regularly grace the programming of the BBC, for which she was formerly a newsroom social affairs editor. “Polly Toynbee’s influence is perceived to be huge in British public life,” wrote Julia Hobsbawm of the media analysts Editorial Intelligence. “Her columns resonate in Whitehall and beyond.”
From high atop those resonating columns, Ms Toynbee delivers her various pronouncements, including a conviction that “left-wing people are more intelligent and just generally better people,” i.e., better than thee and me, and a demand that taxes must be raised “to pay the state to become the best possible nanny to all babies.” There’s also her belief that “disruptive 16-year-old boys” should be taken out of class to spend a term being taught the finer points of dance, thereby resulting in a “transformation in the whole year group.” When not curing inner-city classroom delinquency with the thrill of modern tap, Polly tells her readers that obesity isn’t chiefly a matter of inactivity and overeating but instead has a more pernicious cause, i.e., a lack of socialism:
It is inequality and disrespect that makes people fat.
To bolster this radical insight Ms Toynbee made a number of further claims regarding economic inequality and expanded waistlines, each of which proved to be either misleading or untrue. And chunkier readers should note that waiting for a socialist revolution probably isn’t the best way to lose those extra pounds.
Our imperious champion of the poor has a famously intermittent relationship with facts, logic and mathematics, such that an entire website, Factchecking Pollyanna, was devoted to providing detailed corrections of each week’s errors and distortions. Sadly, this effort to bring factual accuracy to the finest Guardian journalism became dormant some years ago, its anonymous author possibly having collapsed under the weight of the endeavour.
Happily, however, Tim Worstall has now published the best of that legendary blog in book form, so that another generation may bathe in Ms Toynbee’s blunders and fumbling with numbers. Amid various examples of Polly inverting statistics and misreporting figures by several orders of magnitude, as when she inflated council tax benefit changes by a mere 5,100%, the volume includes such moments of high journalism as Ms Toynbee telling the world that 142% of people were dissatisfied with Tony Blair, and a 21-word sentence containing no fewer than five factual errors.
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From high atop those resonating columns,
Thanks for the mental image.
I was hoping to convey her self-imagined grandeur.
Polly Toynbee, supported by Julia Hobsbawm? Marx was sort-of right. It’s history writing, rather than history itself, that repeats itself – the first time as tragedy, the second as farce.
‘left-wing people are more intelligent and just generally better people’
Says the harridan who dropped out of Oxford (after somehow getting in with only one A Level), and who wrote a spiteful attack on Auberon Waugh after his death, illustrated with a cartoon of said writer being flushed down the toilet.
As we’ve seen many times, Polly is much more troubled by what you earn and keep than by what she earns and keeps. Which, given her six-figure Guardian income, plus appearance fees, royalties and property portfolio, is quite a feat. But this is someone who thinks that voting for the state to confiscate even more of other people’s earnings is an act of altruism, and, conveniently, an excuse for not using her own considerable resources to help those she deems deserving. Again, another feat. And if a well-heeled person bangs on, week after week, about how terrible unequal incomes are and how something must be done urgently, and then says she won’t do anything to help directly until the state forces everyone else, this isn’t a resounding affirmation of her professed morality.
In that respect, she’s not unlike quite a few middle-class lefties, only more so.
Toynbee made a number of further claims regarding economic inequality and expanded waistlines, each of which proved to be either misleading or untrue.
God, I miss the Daily Ablution.
God, I miss the Daily Ablution.
So say we all. More than any other, Scott’s was the blog that inspired me to start this thing. Many. Moons. Ago.
Link between obesity and governmental food assistance in the U.S. (NYT)
Many moons ago, I worked in grocery during college. Based on my observations, perhaps one in twenty food stamp customers used their allotment for healthy foods. The rest bought all manner of junk and from appearances were certainly not starving.
Interestingly, about that time, the worthies concluded that low income pregnant women and mothers of young children were not using their food stamps properly. Thus a new government program was instituted: “WIC” (Women, Infants & Children) which provided vouchers for milk, beans, rice, fresh fruit and vegetables. N.B. there was no thought about eliminating things like potato chips and pretzels from approved food stamp purchases. Instead, the taxpayers wound up funding a new program to make sure recipients got what they should have been buying in the first place with the taxpayers’ money.
Instead, the taxpayers wound up funding a new program to make sure recipients got what they should have been buying in the first place with the taxpayers’ money.
Ah, but if only they could confiscate, say, 50% of our earnings, for ten or so generations, and put cameras everywhere and implant lots of electrodes for remote scolding, they could finally, eventually, fix the underclass.
And then maybe, just maybe, the voices would stop.
It’s worth noting that although Polly struggles with simple arithmetic and is reliably wrong on matters of basic fact, this has had little if any impact on her career or her standing among editors at our state broadcaster. Her niche is one in which being repeatedly wrong – ludicrously wrong – has no real consequences. It costs her nothing. And so she never has to apologise, never has to learn. Now imagine if, say, plumbers or structural engineers enjoyed a similar immunity. Buildings would be collapsing on a weekly basis and every other home in Britain would be flooded as I type.
. . . they could finally, eventually, fix the underclass.
Quite. I recall a conversation with a young, socialist European acquaintance when I complained that food stamps were used to purchase, among other things, “Frosted Double Sugar Bomb” breakfast cereal instead of generic corn flakes or the oatmeal which I ate every morning on my college budget. Said the socialist, “It would be unfair to deprive the poor children of the snooty breakfast food when their friends at school had parents who could afford it.”
It’s not about feeding the poor; it’s not about health. It’s about punishing people who’ve had the temerity not to be on the government dole.
Toynbee was called a blogger a “pendent”, and the blogger proudly quoted that on his masthead. Wasn’t it Worstall?
Wasn’t it Worstall?
Yes.
She also had a public sense of humour failure on ‘The Sunday Politics’, as shown here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NOerIRqwz8
“It is inequality and disrespect that makes people fat.”
Yon Toynbee has that lean and hungry look. Such women are dangerous.
It is inequality and disrespect that makes people fat.
Also crisps.
Good news: @GodfreyElfwick is back and in fine form.
Life makes sense again.
Heh.
“chunkier readers should note that waiting for a socialist revolution probably isn’t the best way to lose those extra pounds”
Oh I don’t know, Polly could point to the success of the DPRK weight loss program.
. . . they could finally, eventually, fix the underclass.
Will never happen.
As P.T. Barnum was alleged to have said, There’s a hipster born every minute, and as the Christian New Testament notes, For the hipster will be among you always.
Every time I see her name I think of the Ray Bradbury story.
Another Pollyana gem here, getting quite a monstering in the comments:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/26/queens-speech-miliband
‘Classwarrier 13m ago
A very useful historical document which could be the first of a long series on losing Labour manifestos – 2010, 1992, 1987, 1983, 1979 etc.
Obviously there is no point in looking at the manifestos of 1997, 2001 and 2005.
Winning is so last decade.’
‘exsanddancer 15m ago
Lord Falconer? I don’t recall anyone voting for him in his gilded path from public school to Cambridge. No he never bothered to submit himself to the votes of the great unwashed, preferring the lordship his old mucker Tone bunged him back in the day.
So he writes the bills eh? Good to hear!
One small problem Poll, my old friend:
Your lot lost by a landslide so all of their sixth form rubbish policies are landfill now.
But no doubt that wont stop “lord” Falconer’s dreams of glory will it Poll?’
‘Impossibleblobby 23m ago
I can’t say I’m happy that the Tories won, but this seems pretty pathetic’.
‘Chris Davison 1h ago
“A poor campaign, not bad policies, lost Miliband the election.”
Overlooking the obvious again, Polly. The two are not mutually exclusive.
labour’s problems started with both of these concepts and added them to an uncharismatic “leader”. fail on three levels.
Labour lost – Get over it. If the next five years will be so bad, then start finding some policies that real people like and support, not just what appeals to the chatterocracy and the political classes and drives normal people to distraction (or worse, UKIP).’
‘TheMarxOfProgress 5h ago
Well, we’re all idiots, aren’t we? When it’s put like this I really have to wonder quite why I didn’t vote Labour.
It definitely wasn’t because the party doesn’t sufficiently resemble an out-of-touch metropolitan elite telling the proles how they should live. Definitely not that.’
“She’s the sort of woman who lives for others. You can tell the others by their hunted expression.” — C. S. Lewis.
Hal @ 18.24 which Ray Bradbury story? Also, even on her Wikipaedia page a few years ago, she was called “the Guardian’s resident madwoman”, but it got deleted.
She sounds like one of Dickens’ nightmare women–persecuting the poor and annoying everybody else.
Was it the Aesthetics that sat on columns? The Asiatics? No, that can’t be right.
Better ask Polly.
‘She sounds like one of Dickens’ nightmare women–persecuting the poor and annoying everybody else’.
If you’ve read ‘Porterhouse Blue’, she’s basically Lady Mary, the wife of Sir Godber Evans.
The likeness is uncanny.
Hal @ 18.24 which Ray Bradbury story?
Actually, the post of Every time I see her name I think of the Ray Bradbury story. wasn’t me and was instead randian | May 26, 2015 at 18:29 . . .
My thought was to note the differences between patricians who fix plumbing, plan and execute and troubleshoot actually working budgets, draw up and pass actually workable legislation, and other assorted actually useful actions, vs peons who merely demand to be the center of attention, openly lie on every occasion, and stamp their little feet when greeted with reality.
—Why yes, today I am indeed having to figure out how I and two or three functioning coworkers can manage to do assorted babysitting, or ideally, get the hell out and get to a functioning working environment, does it show?
via Roger Kimball:
“Surrounded by Disturbing Art.”
I was triggered at the Frick.
Those alarming Veroneses
may appeal to certain crazies;
I felt terrified and sick.
I was triggered at the Met.
“Los Caprichos” are disgusting
with their cheating and their lusting,
and those Schieles at the Neue
are at least as bad as Goya.
I was triggered at the Guggenheim,
the Whitney and the New.
I left MoMA in a coma
and I think that I might sue.
We need signs that give a sense of
what you’ll find in a museum:
“Works of art may be offensive.
Are you sure you want to see ’em?”
by Jeffrey Kindley
Regarding “the Ray Bradbury story” try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Toynbee_Convector
The reference is to Poppa
Cheers,
Dean
and those Schieles at the Neue
are at least as bad as Goya.
Bravo.
It was indeed Worstall but it was pendant. A story which is in the bookette of curse.
For she called me something valuable, a jewel possibly, an object one keeps near the heart. Or, of course, something close to a tit.
We need signs that give a sense of
what you’ll find in a museum:
“Works of art may be offensive.
Are you sure you want to see ’em?”
I feel sure that the signs are already being made. After all, an “Australian opera company bans ‘Carmen’ for smoking”
“Polly tells her readers that obesity isn’t chiefly a matter of inactivity and overeating but instead has a more pernicious cause, i.e., a lack of socialism”
Well she isn’t exactly wrong here…after all socialism is extremely good at starving millions of people to death for no good reason and that would surely solve the obesity epidemic.
It’s worth noting that although Polly struggles with simple arithmetic and is reliably wrong on matters of basic fact, this has had little if any impact on her career or her standing among editors at our state broadcaster. Her niche is one in which being repeatedly wrong – ludicrously wrong – has no real consequences. It costs her nothing. And so she never has to apologise, never has to learn. Now imagine if, say, plumbers or structural engineers enjoyed a similar immunity. Buildings would be collapsing on a weekly basis and every other home in Britain would be flooded as I type.
I wrote myself a little essay which talked about this, of which below is an excerpt:
It is safe to say that the lower animals have a close fit with reality. By which I mean that they represent it to themselves, by whatever mechanisms they have, fairly. If by some fluke a hopeful monster had emerged with the ability to pretend that reality is other than it is chances are it would quickly be removed from the gene pool. The point is that, with regard to reality, an individual misrepresenting it to themselves is at a disadvantage. If you pretend there is food when there is not, you would starve. If you pretend you are desirable and you are not, you don’t mate. As Ayn Rand put it: ‘You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’ And no doubt the same is true, more or less, for early hominids. But as soon as you get recognisable minds, and intentions, you get much more complex representations, and you can influence those representations, and misrepresent, and you can cheat - yourself as much as others. And there is no longer any need to suppose that the representation an individual has of reality necessarily accurately represents reality. As the NLP mantra goes ‘The map is not the territory’. The important point to note here is that, in the West, many have now reached a position where, to all intents and purposes, there is no disadvantage to having a wrong map.
Thus you may read a commenter ignorant about economics, but their being hopelessly wrong does not mean they’ll starve. Given the tendency of people to go where their ideas are mirrored, you will more than likely be among friends, so your mating potential is unlikely to suffer either. The point is that you can be wrong about practically everything, and it doesn’t matter in any serious sense. Nothing bad will happen to you personally as a consequence.
Because it is no longer a matter of life and death that one accurately represents reality, you have removed a restraint from one’s own self-representation. If it makes more sense to the individual to live in and through a wrong understanding of the world, and this happens at no obvious cost, or even accrues benefits, it is perfectly natural and understandable that that is what will happen.
This notion of ideas having (or not having) consequences may suggest a way of viewing certain hypocrisies: those who talk about forcing comprehensive education and reducing carbon footprints, who then promptly send their children to the best schools and then fly to their second homes abroad as for example with the commenter Polly Toynbee, or decrying private health and then sending your child to a private hospital under an assumed name as with the MP Barbara Castle. Because wrong ideas have no personal consequences when put forward as commentary or policy it matters not that they are ignorant and wrong. However, when it comes to reality, to real decisions and real desires about oneself and ones clan, all these purported beliefs about reality go out of the window, reality intrudes, people do what they have always done to provide the best for those closest to them. They are perfectly aware – when there are consequences, when it matters to them – that you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
Ah, the Daily Ablution. Missed still, a decade on.
Labour campaign 2020: “You know we called you all stupid after the last election? Well, about that. Can we forget about it please? Pretty please? Can we not let that affect your judgement this time around? Clean slate, eh?”
I take it as a sign of the success of capitalism that one of the problems of the poorest among us is obesity. That’s unprecedented in history. Toynbee is correct that socialism would rectify that problem; food scarcity will do that, after all.
“Ah, the Daily Ablution. Missed still, a decade on.”
Indeed, Tim. Come back, Scott, all is forgiven.
It appears (to this Yank anyways) that Ms. Polly T. is simply carrying on a long tradition of impervious elitism. This from Wiki concerning her grandfather, the eponymous convector himself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._Toynbee
So grandpa was a twofer symp for both the Nazis and Soviets. Quite an accomplishment. He even made the cover of Time magazine. He was, like, real smart. I’m not a religious man but when I do pray, I pray to God Almighty to save us from the “smart” people. It seems it’s the least He could do for us.
I pray to God Almighty to save us from the “smart” people.
Amen.
The quality of opinion writing of most Guardian columnists is abysmal. The Guardian is considered one of the most influential news outlets in Britain, and yet most articles — even allowing for political leanings — barely deserve publication in the student newspaper of a mediocre liberal arts college.
Add to this the overt Marxism of some their opinion writers and the LSD-inspired environmentalism of Monbiot and it becomes farcical.
“The Guardian is considered one of the most influential news outlets in Britain…”
Only by the BBC. And social workers, media femiloons and some students. Circulation of the paper is just 140, 000 – and falling.
Re the quality of writing in the Guardian:
‘Tea is a national disgrace – a relic of our colonial past’
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/27/tea-national-disgrace-beverage-british
I don’t think it’s hyperbole to say that doing the tea run in the office is one of the worst punishments that can be inflicted on a human being.
Apologies, the link in that comment doesn’t seem to be working.
The article is well worth looking up, though.
It’s truly terrible.
Link fixed.
Thank you, David.
@RY
The article is well worth looking up, though
No. A thousand times, NO!
It’s truly terrible.
Yes.
Literally so.
And not in a “it is so bad it is good” way.
It is just a woefully poor rant, with a bit of boilerplate Guardianista “relic of colonialism” verbiage appended.
I like to think of the dreadful harridan as Mrs. Pollybee, like the old baggage from Bleak House, obsessed with the plight of the benighted natives of Borrioboola-Gha and blind to any notion of charity beginning at home. Her apparent earnestness is divorced from whether her warmed-over paternalistic idiocy has any practical application to the world. Indeed, one suspects that that is half the point.
That is Peak Grauniad, right there. Brewed to perfection.