A message from the young thinkers of the University College London Union:
This Union resolves to… struggle against fascism and the far-right… with the perspective of fighting the root cause of fascism – capitalism.
Apparently fascism is “far-right” – a claim that Mussolini and Hitler, avowed socialists, might have found puzzling – and is caused by capitalism. And not caused by, say, dogmatic collectivism and its endless justifications for authoritarian urges. Urges not unlike those of the Union itself, with its intent to ban student groups that it deems both “sexist” and “anti-Marxist,” and which therefore must be met with “unconditional resistance.” To say nothing of the Union’s somewhat ambitious plan to bring about “a socialist transformation of society.”
Via BenSix.
That the originators of Marxoid theory – along with its enactors and so many of its key thinkers – showed such marked narcissistic and sociopathic tendencies might give a person pause. You’d think.
Not if you’re a narcissist or sociopath.
Ouch. My alma mater – still, back in time immemorial the Union were an odd bunch.
Presumably the poster about equality being a false god was deemed sufficient proof of unspeakable intent
er, but equality is a false God, that’s the first thing they should think about…
I’m sure this nonsense about “perspectives” is an old leftwing cliche – but it’s apparently back in fashion. Someone rather pompously told me last year that I should be thinking of “different perspectives” of history – by which they presumably meant one particular perspective.
I think calling Hitler a “socialist” is going a bit far – surely an extreme political opportunist.
It’s true enough, however, that all this very popular nonsense about “the far right” is just so much hot air. It’s hard to know what “right-wing” means these days – in the UK, it’s used as a shorthand for those who oppose unlimited immigration and the EU. They’re all the same as Anders Brevik, you know.
UKIP have certainly been demonised as far-right, and – while I don’t really support them or consider them a serious political group – I think it’s clear that some of our betters on the left think that politics is simply the sophisticated game of accusing the other side of racism/xenophobia (and probably misogyny too, while we’re at it..) Saves a lot of time, probably
Minnow, you seem to suffer badly from that narcissism of the left, that strange belief that as long as you profess to do “the right thing”, the outcomes don’t actually matter. Marxism has led to the largest death toll of any concept of human organisation yet put into practice, it is evil beyond imagining and all who profess it are simply making excuses for death, genocide, and slavery while fooling themselves they wouldn’t themselves practice it as enthusiastically as they could given the opportunity.
And you also have this strange wish to associate that modern most hideous of crimes, racism and slavery with capitalism. Slavery is as old as we have any knowledge of human civilisation, and flourished under all political arrangements until modern democracy. It flourished in all of the soviet states for example, only you refuse to see the state of differing nationalities under Stalin as slavery, yet that is what is was.
Nazism and indeed classical fascism (which is different in degree, Mussolini had quite a different approach to Hitler) and communism as essentially enacted differ in two major aspects; one is that they co-opt the capitalist “class” rather than eliminate but the economic effect is approximately the same; the other is that they profess different lies about their intentions, but they are still,lies. And they are knowing lies by those who actually hold power, but perhaps, to be generous, unknowing in they refuse to accept the truth that lies before them, by those useful idiots in I think Lenin’s phrase (or attributed to but not found in his extant writings) who go along with and enable the horrors to occur.
Minnow, you seem to suffer badly from that narcissism of the left, that strange belief that as long as you profess to do “the right thing”, the outcomes don’t actually matter.
Oh, it’s worse than that: people like minnow – wealthy, western, middle class, but rather dim – couldn’t care two figs about anyone other than themselves (and especially not starved Indians or Chinese factory workers). What they crave is power, control, and recognition but have found that in a capitalist system to get any of those you usually need to possess merit; they have none, hence the need to demonsie the system which stubbornly refuses to give them what they want. The exception lies in the public sector, which is why so many dickheads like minnow gravitate towards it. But don’t fall into the trap of thinking they care about anyone other than themselves, the tears eyed “think of the poor” speeches are merely vehicles for their own ambitions.
“Well, the Nazis didn’t nationalise German industry”
Not 100% of it, no. Just large chunks of it. But they nevertheless controlled 100% of it, so the result is de facto the same.
But then the National Socialists were always more pragmatic than the Bolsheviks – why shoot industrialists and then try to run industry yourself, when you can force the people who already know how to do it to do it for you at the muzzle of a pistol metaphorically held to the nape of the neck? Why keep a dog and bark yourself?
And re. comments on slavery – it, and de facto serfdom, were a major part of the then “actually-existing Socialist” economy in the USSR.
Nobody is “sticking up” for any kind of murdering socialist scum. Which is exactly what the Nazis were. All your sanctimonious talk about what socialism is supposed to be is nonsense. The self-serving self-congratulatory tripe of evil, murdering, arrogant, authoritarian posers.
As for your attempts to claim “crimes” for the West–well most of those crimes were committed by western government scum–not by businessmen. Yeah, some hangers on profited–just as a few businessmen profit from the state’s wars–while most lose business and custom(inc customers) because of those same wars. The west is far less a capitalist society that it is corporate socialist. That is a much better way of putting it than fascist–a word whose meaning(a variation of socialism caused by the failure of Marx’s idiot ideas about the poor inevitably getting poorer leading to “revolution”) has been distorted by 60 years of leftist lying.
Late here, but I’m reminded of a German newspaper interview Hitler once gave circa 36-38 (iirc) in ans to the question as to the difference between Nazism and Communism: “Oh, I think they will eventually end up where we already are,” he answered. And history surely proved him a prophetic political analyst. The SU of the 70s and 80s being almost indistinguishable from Nazi Germany–Fascist in all but name and above all Nationalist, having all but given up on the “internationalist” aspect of Communism..
PS: Someone here made the statement tat Il Duce was a Fascist but NOT a socialist. I would respectfully take issue with that statement. First, it is a historical fact he was a card-carrying member of the Socialist party early in his career and was an editor of Italy’s largest and oldest Socialist newspaper, La Stampa.
To be honest, this is an argument predicated on the idea that a very narrow slice of Marxist theory has the monopoly on the term “socialist” that is so narrow as to exclude all of the “actually existing socialist states” that various western socialists spent 50 years defending and shilling for.
It also proves that anything is permitted if your regime is at least nominally Marxist
“Notice that part about ‘staying in business’. Not that Misses is the most reliable historian. Business did have an alternative to supporting Hitler: opposing him.”
Big talk from a blog troll commenting under a pseudonym.