Ms Barlow describes herself as “a green and leftwing schoolteacher.”
In the comments Karen adds:
My grandfather would be surprised to hear that WWII was the Allies’ war against “the blood lust of unfettered capitalism.”
Quite. Though I suppose it pays to remember just how intellectually degraded teacher training can be. It’s progress, people.
Via Christopher Snowdon.
This, um, incident may amuse. Sound essential.
That’s so many kinds of funny.
That’s so many kinds of funny.
It does rather illustrate a not uncommon tendency among such people. I mean, you could of course just ignore the loon with the placard, with its warning for “masturbators, drunkards, fornicators and homosexuals.” Or you might find him amusing or surreal, or tragic, or whatever. If sufficiently peeved by his existence, I suppose you could offer a gesture of disdain as you walk by on your way to doing something more important. But instead the screeching, braying student decides to assault the man, repeatedly. And is then outraged – scandalised – when his own criminal action is interrupted. By someone showing more restraint than I think many would.
And you have to wonder how the little Social Justice Warrior would have behaved if a similar placard were being held by a bearded adherent of another religion.
“This, um, incident may amuse”
Hilarious. I’m coming to the conclusion that leftists are in an arrested state of emotional development. Their perpetual cries of ” It’s not fair” or ” I want, I want” are what you’d expect of a 13 year old, not an adult, although ” It’s fucking offensive” guy looks like he might be about 18-20.
‘Yes, Scargill was a household name at the time, but I think over the years as the miners strike has faded from recent memory we tend to recall it as more of a simplistic Thatcher v Scargill/The Unions fight than it actually was. A lot of lefties hated Thatcher but still weren’t impressed with Scargill and his tactics’.
If even the Communist Party of Great Britain thinks you’re a loon, you most probably are.
Needless to say, Scargill (who in his youth was one of the few people to openly approve of the Soviet suppression of the 1956 Hungarian rising) thought that the CPGB were sell-outs.
Or, to put it another way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo
This, um, incident may amuse.
It did. ;D
BWAAAH! GAAAH! YOU BITCH!!!
How DARE anyone stop pterodactyl boy’s violent tantrum?!
How DARE anyone stop pterodactyl boy’s violent tantrum?!
The arrogance is extraordinary. In protest at not being allowed to physically attack someone, he actually brays like a donkey. I half expected him to start throwing faeces.
sackcloth and ashes – To be fair, it was akways obvious that Arthur Scargill was a deluded sociopath who viewed normal folks with contempt.
How else to explain why he thought that we thought he had hair? That comb over was the most insulting disguise since Superman said “feck it, I’ll just chuck on a pair of specs. They’ll never suspect a thing.”
David – “I half expected him to start throwing faeces.”
Andi’s law: the longer a comments thread, the greater the chance of the conversation coming round to chimping.
Scargill never wavered in his belief that he was going to be first dictator of the United Socialist Kingdom. He even released transitional arrangements: day 1 seize all media outlets for the people.
I, for one, am glad he was wrong.
Andi’s law: the longer a comments thread, the greater the chance of the conversation coming round to chimping.
I’m honoured, no-one’s ever named a Law of the Internet after me before. Admittedly this has only happened with one thread here to date… oh, make that two now.
In seven years of doing this I’ve learned many things from my readers. Though few stick in the mind quite as vividly as the meaning of the word chimping.
In The Faces of Janus: Marxism And Fascism In The Twentieth Century James A. MacGregor explained how lots of the “fascists-are-capitalists” propaganda originated from the Communist International. For decades, representatives of the Comintern attempted to cast fascists in the worst possible light (at least according to their ideology, which regarded capitalism was the root of all evil). The fascists were in fact friendlier to capitalism than the communists were, but still tended towards a great deal of price fixing and other regulation by intellectuals promoting their pet theories.
And to quote Luwig von Mises on the reason German capitalists tended to support the National Socialists (a fact sized upon by communists and fellow travelers as proof of the capitalist roots of fascism):
“German workers are the most reliable supporters of the Hitler regime. Nazism has won them over completely by eliminating unemployment and by reducing the entrepreneurs to the status of shop managers (Betriebsführer) [who must follow Nazi directives if they wish to stay in business]. Big business, shopkeepers, and peasants are disappointed. Labor is well satisfied and will stand by Hitler, unless the war takes a turn which would destroy their hope for a better life after the [Molotov-Ribbentrop] peace treaty. Only military reverses can deprive Hitler of the backing of the German workers.
“The fact that the capitalists and entrepreneurs, faced with the alternative of Communism or Nazism, chose the latter, does not require any further explanation. They preferred to live as shop managers under Hitler than to be “liquidated” as “bourgeois” by Stalin. Capitalists don’t like to be killed any more than other people do.” Interventionism: An Economic Analysis (1940)
Zeppo, that all sounds about right.
Just to add, long before the Interwebs were invented so I don’t have a link, I read some reminiscences by an old nazi, collected by a journalist.
This chap was a veteran of streetfights in both Munich and Berlin. He explained that he and his comrades used to kidnap communists and hold them in isolation for a while. After a bit of softening up, they “appealed to the Reds’ conscience”, a mixture of more softening and political argument.
He recalled that very soon they were able to go easy with the softening up, because the two sides had so much common ground, revealed by the political argument. Result: a new recruit.
Quite a few of the SturmAbteilung (SA) were converted commies, consciously socialist.
Communists, Nazis. Same bird, different feather.
My god Fran is a moron. How does she miss the Socialism in National Socialism?
Insta- Insta- LANCH LANCH LANCH!
If you have two cows:
If the government takes them and promises to give you milk, that is Communism.
If the government takes them and promises to sellyou milk, that is Facism.
If the government kills you and steals the cows, that is Nazism.
If the government takes one and gives one to your lazy neighbor, that is Socialism.
If you shoot the government agent, and steal another cow, that is Anarchism.
If you sell one cow and buy a bull, that is Capitalism.
We need just enough anarchism so that Capitalism is free to do its good work.
Insta- Insta- LANCH LANCH LANCH!
Quick, put some coasters out. And hand me that tie.
‘To be fair, it was always obvious that Arthur Scargill was a deluded sociopath who viewed normal folks with contempt’.
Unfortunately not. He is still a folk hero, not just the usual cockends like Owen Jones and the Farringdon Road Massive, but quite a few inhabitants of old mining communities who do not understand that he was their worst enemy.
I do feel genuine sympathy for the latter, as they’re almost like the inhabitants of Jonestown. The only difference is that Scargill didn’t actually require them to actually commit suicide.
Ok. so she didn’t know what the word NAZI stood for.
Didn’t know it was capitalist America that stood up against Socialist Nazis.
But at least she didn’t misspell any words.
That is more than you can expect from most teachers today.
Standard leftist methodology:
1. “I’m a greenie and a leftist;
2. I hate capitalism;
3. Nazis were bad;
4. The Soviets carried the lion’s share of the burden against the Nazis;
5. The Soviets were Communists, so they were good;
6. Since Communism defeated Nazism, good defeated bad;
7. Therefore, capitalists must be Nazis.
Spoons perceiving the taste of food is how leftists handle “logic.”
The communists took their capitalists out to be shot. The nazis took their capitalists out to lunch, where it was explained to them that henceforth they would follow orders or be shot.
Ok. so she didn’t know what the word NAZI stood for.
She knows that it stands for “National Socialist” but denies that the label “socialist” makes them socialist.
Which, fair enough. Anyone can name themselves anything without the label being accurate.
But the nit-picking that it requires to look at the NAZIs as uniquely bad in ways that the socialists weren’t — that’s a very long trip down the big Egyptian river.
“…and leftwing schoolteacher.”
Declaring her political orientation outright like that is rather convenient, but a person is unlikely to go wrong assuming that unless otherwise established, every teacher is a left-winger.
Ok. so she didn’t know what the word NAZI stood for….She knows that it stands for “National Socialist” but denies that the label “socialist” makes them socialist.Which, fair enough. Anyone can name themselves anything without the label being accurate.
Fair enough. But Fatuous Fran also refers to the Nazis’ “unfettered capitalism,” which is a grossly inaccurate description of the way the Nazis ran the economy. The “capitalism” of the Nazi regime was highly regulated, producing what the Nazi government wanted it to. Not unfettered at all.
Two myths: The Nazis were capitalists & atheistic.
“As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods.-Joseph Goebbels
“Gold is not necessary. I have no interest in gold. We will build a solid state, without an ounce of gold behind it. Anyone who sells above the set prices, let him be marched off to a concentration camp. That’s the bastion of money.” –Adolf Hitler
“As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.” –Adolf Hitler
“It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole … that above all the unity of a nation’s spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual….”
“This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture…. The basic attitude from which such activity arises, we call-to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness-idealism. By this we understand only the individual’s capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men.”
(Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)
The diff between fascism/Nazism & Marxism that the latter nationalizes all industry & business; the former allows it, assigning to businessmen all the responsibilities of production while the State retains all the privileges.
The source, though for all three, lies in Plato and the philosophy of Idealism:
“The best ordered state will be one in which the largest number of persons … most nearly resembles a single person. The first and highest form of the State … is a condition in which the private and the individual is altogether banished from life, and things which are by nature private, such as eyes and ears and hands, have become common, and in some way see and hear and act in common, and all men express praise and blame and feel joy and sorrow on the same occasion, and whatever laws there are unite the city to the utmost …” (Plato’s _Republic_ & _Laws_ c. 370 BCE)
All I can say is THANK GOD Hitler decided to attend the premiere.
“But at least she didn’t misspell any words.
That is more than you can expect from most teachers today.”
To be fair to FB, her grammar and spelling on the interwebz are exemplary (even if leaden). She’s probably a very good English teacher.
Always good to remind people that the original communist term for communism was socialism. That is what Marx called it. That is what the Bolsheviks called it (the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). The National Socialists weren’t just socialists, they were communists, just like Stalin.
Many soft leftists today (mainstream Democrats) like to think of socialism as some kind of third way between totalitarian communism and classical liberalism, where you have socialism without the totalitarianism, but that is not the historic meaning of the term, and history shows quite clearly that no such 3rd way is possible. Wherever socialists gain power democratically it is the end of democracy and liberty from that point on.
Like the Islamists, socialists (like Obama) regard democracy as a train that you ride until you get where you get to your station (where you are in power), then you get off.
In her defense Godwin’s law has insured the internet is chock-full of meaningless NAZI references so who could possible know the truth about those fellows? I mean who could possible know anything about anything from the pre-internet days?
If our founding fathers could have seen us today, they would have packed up, went back to England and apologized to the king.
another reason why there should be a list, similar to sex offenders, so people like this can be fired and banned from any and all levels or interactions with education
Writeby, you seem to be confusing what Hitler said openly to a nation of Christians (especially before he had all their little chil’rens in his hands), with what he actually believed.
“Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.”
He liked to repeat that one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Germany#cite_note-10
It’s still popular in certain circles:
http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f20/adolf-hitler-on-islam-and-the-muslims-16502-print/
And so on…
“I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mohammed, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A n***** with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation.”
And so on…
“The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science… The instructions of a hygienic nature that most religions gave, contributed to the foundation of organized communities. The precepts ordering people to wash, to avoid certain drinks, to fast at appointed dates, to take exercise, to rise with the sun, to climb to the top of the minaret — all these were obligations invented by intelligent people. The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams — a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! …Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that’s why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk
Then there were some of the precious little ditties he had the blonde-haired youth singing; one is mentioned here:
http://www.aish.com/sem/wtj/84683857.html
The truth is, like Marx, like the various Soviet leaders, like Muhammad, like so much of the modern Left, Adolph Hitler despised that which did not give him license. A true and proper archist. And like the lot of them, he was also very good at smiling in your face, speaking sweet-sounding words, and pretending to be your friend – if it was of use to him at the time.
Spoken like a true Stalinist. As “Nazi” stands for “National Socialist Party”, the chairman applauds your efforts to smear communism’s left-wing foes by fraudulently linking them with the dark evils of capitalism. Your use of that vile capitalist propaganda machine called Twitter in order to promulgate the scientific truth of the communist dialectic must also be applauded. We do have issues with you, however. First, the smile in your profile picture. There is nothing funny about Marxist thought. This smile must be discarded. Second, is that western hair product you are using? It is certainly not on our approved list. When you come back to the motherland, we must have a chat about such things. But for now, goodbye, and keeping fighting the good fight comrade!
I’m guessing genius lady doesn’t know what “gleichshaltung” means.
In protest at not being allowed to physically attack someone, he actually brays like a donkey. I half expected him to start throwing faeces
Had he done so, someone probably would have handed him a performance art grant.
On another note, are the sorts of analyses and comments made in these threads ever fed back to whichever lefty airhead caused all the kerfuffle in the first place? I think it might broaden Ms Barlow’s mind if she were to be exposed to the insight and erudition in all the above comments. Presuming, of course, that the case is not completely hopeless to begin with.
My grandfather would be surprised to hear that WWII was the Allies’ war against “the blood lust of unfettered capitalism.”
That must be why the Nazis – National Socialists – made anti-capitalist propaganda films.
I’m guessing genius lady doesn’t know what “gleichshaltung” means.
It does seem that a great deal of leftist thought, or rather leftist signalling and emoting, is driven by projection and inversion. See also this on fascism and its copiers.
Interestingly it seems that before the founding of the NSDAP the word ‘Nazi’ was a term of abuse apparently meaning roughly ‘Catholic bumpkin’. My co-author* was surprised to see it used in this sense in an original letter from 1918, with reference to Austro-Hungarian troops on the Western Front. Since the NSDAP exploited the Bavarians’ understandable horror at their brief experience of Communist dictatorship to take root in predominantly Catholic Bavaria (where a restoration of the monarchy could have wiped out the powerbase of both socialist factions overnight), it was obviously appropriate.
* Fighting the Kaiser’s War: The Saxons in Flanders 1914-1918 by Andrew Lucas and Jürgen Schmieschek, coming soon-ish from Pen & Sword…
Everyone should read this book.
Written by a Communist Party member in 1939, Guenter Reimann, the author once and for all shows the Nazis in Germany to be 100% carbon copies of the Communists. German businessmen totally understood what was happening: “The Vampire Economy doing business under fascism”.
THE NAZIS WERE NOT CAPITALISTS.
http://mises.org/document/3080/The-Vampire-Economy
I bought the original edition. Very expensive.
Ms. Barlow appears to be just another village idiot that teach our children. As a double victim of Balkan Genocide my story can be told by nearly Serbian family today who lost a member or relative…not to capitalism but the full-blown disease of manifest hatred. In 1942 in the village of Vojnic, Croatia where my father was born, 99 Serbs were locked inside their Serbian church and burned to the ground…17 of those victims were my relatives. In 1995 when 230,000 Serbs were “ethnically cleansed” from Croatia the last 5 relatives of my name were too old and too sick to flee…I was notified a month later by the Red Cross that they were found with their throats slit.
The following quote is from my book, Jasenovac Then & Now: A Conspiracy of Silence… it is a quote, not from a Serbian survivor and there were on 87 of them, but from a Croatian historian about the 3rd most lethal Concentration camp during WWII in which 700,000 Serbs, 40,000 Jews and 60,000 Roma were liquidated, including 96,000 Serbian children under the age of ten who were poisoned with caustic soda by Roman Catholic nuns to save bullets… not to save some stupid capitalists idea! I suggest that this stupid teacher spent $1.99 to learn a bit of history about WWII.
“…There is not a pen capable of describing the horror and terror of the atmosphere at Jasenovac. It surpasses any human fantasy. Imagine Hell, the Inquisition, a terror more dreadful than any that ever before existed anywhere, run by bloodthirsty wild animals whose most hidden and disgusting instincts had come to the surface in a way never before seen in human beings—and still you have not said enough” —Antun Miletich.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/jasenovac/id478394359?mt=11&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
http://www.amazon.com/Jasenovac-Then-Conspiracy-Silence-ebook/dp/B0064UNXVS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376242575&sr=8-
2&keywords=Jasenovac
William Dorich, Author of 9 books, 6 on Balkan history.
I suggest that Ms. Barlow read my Open Letter to Pope Francis:
http://www.generalmihailovich.com/2014/04/an-open-letter-to-his-holiness-pope.html
She must be German then.
This is a perfect example of what an 11 year BA program @ Berkeley produces. 99% of all colleges preach anti-capitalism and communism is the wave of the future. Oh and let us not forget to hate the white man.
The Nazis weren’t so much about socialism than they were about lying and getting away with it. Actually, they were pretty much all about Hitler, since he was both the champion liar and they guy who put some Nazi thugs into power.
Come to think of it, I could say the same thing about Mao, to an extent. But Mao was seriously all about socialism for everyone not named Mao Zedong. Not as good at the concentration-camp killing, but really a lot better at purging his rivals for power, as well as purging just as a kind of bread and circus.