At All Costs, Paraphrase
Or, A Demonstration Of Patience.
“You’re saying we should organise our societies along the lines of the lobsters…”
In this largely unedited video, Channel 4’s Cathy Newman interviews Jordan Peterson.
I use the word interview quite loosely. In fact, I propose a drinking game, in which you take a shot of tequila every time Ms Newman somehow misses the point entirely and interrupts with the words, “You’re saying…”
What’s interesting, I think, is the contrast in thinking styles, and which party comes across as rather narrow and dogmatic. And I’m struggling to think of another interview in which the interviewee has to correct the interviewer so many times, on matters of fact and basic logic, after almost every question.
Update:
The Guardian’s Zoe Williams weighs in, having misplaced her medication.
I was just about to send you this. 🙂
I was just about to send you this. 🙂
It does get rather surreal. And it is, I think, instructive, though perhaps not in ways that Ms Newman would have wished.
The disparity in intelligence between Newman and Peterson is like a yawning chasm.
#notallnewmans
The disparity in intelligence between Newman and Peterson is like a yawning chasm.
It’s fascinating to watch. Ms Newman compensates for a lack of nuance in her thinking by repeatedly interrupting with questions that simply ignore previous answers. As illustrated by her struggles, around 20 minutes in, to comprehend some basic principles of free speech. One gets the impression that Ms Newman is barely listening to anything Peterson says and is much too keen to shoehorn in her own, rather simplistic objections to things that haven’t actually been said, or even remotely suggested. This happens repeatedly – it’s practically a default.
And when the conversation turns to the alleged “gender pay gap,” Ms Newman’s theatrical indignation gets the better of her, her voice rising in pitch – one might say shrillness – as she seems uninterested in hearing, and determined to prevent, any explanation for why her own assumptions may be inaccurate and misleading to viewers. Soon, things start to get lively and the wild paraphrasing kicks in. (“You’re saying women aren’t intelligent enough to run these companies…?”) And then, of course, the lobsters.
As a warning to people who are about to be interviewed on mainstream news but who aren’t sufficiently left-leaning, it’s quite instructive.
Something I’ve noticed is common to a lot of SJWs, particularly feminists. They quite deliberately conflate the terms “some” and “all” in order to dismiss an argument. Cathy Newman does a lot of that in this interview.
Rather fondles the nub of it.
They’ll still be sweeping up all the straw she was throwing around.
If a man had done that interview with a woman, and then thanked her for ‘being a good sport’….
Went to see JP talk on Saturday, and it was a fascinating experience, and not just because of his talk. Fist of all, he got a standing ovation just by walking on stage (and another when he finished talking, and another once the Q&A was done). And a quite lovely sympathetic round of applause when he referenced the tribulations of the last 15 months and almost cracked up.
It’s not the sort of fluffy woo-woo I would usually come out with, but there was a lot of love in the room, a sense that people really appreciated and respected what he was doing, by taking the abuse in the cause of the attempt to speak truth, and by acting as a role model/father figure. I joked to my wife beforehand that he was saving a generation, and hyperbole aside, I think there is something to that. She told me that, in the queue for the book signing after (and it seems practically everyone wanted to meet him, so it lasted ages) all the boys/men would smooth their clothes, tidy their hair and stand up straight.
I guess the main takeaway was twofold, for me.
1. There are people crying out for help, guidance, rules to live by that are lacking in modern society (whether societal norms, peer guidance, parental guidance)
2. We see so much of the clown quarter it’s easy to forget that the crazies are a small proportion. There are lots of young people who reject it, and more importantly, want to do something better with themselves.
This was a packed room (the fastest selling event the organisers had ever put on, and so popular they had to rapidly schedule two more), with a lot more women than I expected. It was also the first talk I’ve ever been to where there was no nutter ‘asking’ a grandstanding ‘question’.
I expect the legacy media/SJW spin that it’s a cult, he’s a guru, thinks he’s the messiah, something something, will start soon, if it hasn’t already.
Cathy Newman works for Channel 4 *and* The Telegraph. It’s like she’s double dumb.
Oops, should be Sunday, not Saturday.
Hey! I thought this was a classy joint what didn’t allow public nub-fondling!
And furthermore—
[Drowned out by shrieking of girls that they were entirely too drunk to consent to fondling anyone’s nub and that their removing their minimal clothing, dancing naked on top of the bar, and going home with whichever man poured them into an Uber, is in no way to be construed as consent to anything, especially if in the light of day the man proved to be short, fat, poor, and smelly]
she seems uninterested in hearing, and determined to prevent, any explanation for why her own assumptions may be inaccurate and misleading to viewers.
That.
“I suspect you’re not very agreeable”.
LOL
I expect the legacy media/SJW spin that it’s a cult, he’s a guru, thinks he’s the messiah, something something, will start soon, if it hasn’t already.
I’d say Dr Peterson has, albeit unintentionally, already achieved something close to guru status, at least for some. The ironies and hazards of which will not, I think, be lost on him.
her voice rising in pitch – one might say shrillness
😀
David, SJWs here think in terms of groups, not individuals—thus their confusion of “female” with “feminist.” Being gay, do you and Blowtorch Man run into this in England?
(If that’s too personal a question, I apologize and will quietly seat myself in the Booth of Correction and order the bread and water.)
Being gay, do you and Blowtorch Man run into this in England?
Happily, we don’t generally have to interact with people who think in those terms. But yes, they do exist.
By the way, I think he prefers Captain Blowtorch. Or at a push, The Incinerator.
Pardon me, Captain Blowtorch!
When he does get around to incinerating something, we want pictures!
It occurs to me the scold face needed some updating.
They quite deliberately conflate the terms “some” and “all” in order to dismiss an argument. Cathy Newman does a lot of that in this interview.
Yes, absolutely. Any reference to statistical differences, however cautious and qualified, is met, almost immediately and often before the sentence can be finished, with “So you’re saying [all] women are…”
Jordan Peterson is probably the most important speaker living today. I’ll be sitting down comfortably tonight with my freshly minted copy of ’12 Rules For Life’
I’m paraphrasing, of course. But only a fraction more than Ms Newman is.
a drinking game, in which you take a shot of tequila every time Ms Newman somehow misses the point entirely and interrupts
Just watched the first 5 mins. Better save the drinking game for Friday night.
Better save the drinking game for Friday night.
I’d send any kids over to Grandma’s for the weekend and book Monday off work.
She just keeps singing the same song. Never thinks out of the box about Men , she can only think on one track about Women. She’s angry , you can tell she is angry at men.
Good fill-in, Farnsworth M Muldoon. Current styles seem to say that any colour can be used that, when seen in nature, screams “I’m toxic!”
She just keeps singing the same song.
Ms Newman leans heavily, and uncritically, on rote feminist talking points, and I don’t think feminists are generally known for their intellectual nimbleness and subtlety of mind.
High time somebody took one of those Channel 4 bigots to bits. A joy to behold.
From the YouTube comments:
🙂
In case anyone is interested, Ms Newman was educated at Charterhouse and Oxford. And then, presumably, the leftism kicked in, eroding any benefit. Oh, and she used to oversee the Channel 4 News FactCheck site, which seems somewhat ironic, all things considered.
“One gets the impression that Ms Newman is barely listening to anything Peterson says”
This is actually very likely, regardless of any boneheadedness specific to Ms. Newman (I haven’t watched the video yet). Broadcast interviewers have so much else to think about, with the booth yelling in their ears all the time, that actually listening to the interviewee and altering one’s line of questioning in response comes pretty low down the list.
I’ve always said that it doesn’t matter how highbrow the subject matter, in terms of content, all TV news is somewhere around the level of a cheap tabloid. It’s inherent to the form. They don’t call them “shows” for nothing.
“We see so much of the clown quarter it’s easy to forget that the crazies are a small proportion. There are lots of young people who reject it, and more importantly, want to do something better with themselves.”
That’s why those who represent and stand up for them have to be silenced. The tiny proportion must be “mainstreamed”. It’s why that word exists: they know they’re nobodies, and have invented a whole set of techniques for appearing to be somebodies.
“Cathy Newman works for Channel 4 *and* The Telegraph. It’s like she’s double dumb.”
Says a lot about the 21st Century Telegraph, that.
any colour can be used that, when seen in nature, screams “I’m toxic!”
The term you are looking for is aposematism.
Remember, kids. Bright colours mean stay away.
… educated at Charterhouse and Oxford. And then, presumably, the leftism kicked in, eroding any benefit.
Oxford deserves some credit – quite a lot, I imagine. For all her deficiencies, Newman wasn’t scraped from the left-hand side of the bell curve.
JBP must be a saint. Saint Job (Catholic upbringing, eh?)
His patience and tolerance are beyond me. How he can remain calm, focussed, especially focussed and unangry in the face of the cr*p that the interviewer (for want of a better word) throws at him is stunning. She is rude beyond belief, doesn’t listen and is incapable of understanding.
I would have struggled not to have leapt across the studio and strangled the woman or walked off in a blaze of swearwords.
She is an intellectual pygmy and has had the bad luck to come across one of the most capable male intellectuals and has ended up showing herself up on prime time TV. She totally discredits herself.
And I only skipped through it. I’m saving it for later.
This is actually very likely, regardless of any boneheadedness specific to Ms. Newman (I haven’t watched the video yet).
Yes, live broadcast interviews, especially short ones, are often terrible for the reasons you suggest. But the above is a half-hour interview recorded off-air for later (heavy) editing and broadcast, so I’m assuming there were fewer distractions. And fewer excuses.
My apologies for the OT, but I’m off to watch the JP video. In the meantime, ponder this, from which we learn that one’s melanin level can be an “ideology” and apparently there exists a (purportedly) academic journal styled–I shit you not–Whiteness and Education.
I’m Canadian, and I’m old enough to remember that when Canadians visited the Mother Country they had to be very careful in public debates because the standards of debate in England were so much higher than the flimsy, feels-based hair-splitting Canadians are used to.
I’m not that old.
Statistics is hard. 🙂
Statistics is hard. 🙂
Offhand, I can’t think of another interview in which the interviewee has to correct the interviewer so many times, after almost every question.
R.Sherman,
Hysteria is now something to be cultivated, even celebrated. Stereotypes, what are they?
“man proved to be short, fat, poor, and smelly”
Stop triggering me!
I’d say she’s a dumb blonde, except that would be a cruel insult to dumb blondes the world over.
Rather fondles the nub of it.
Or, maybe, sums up the arse/ass-handing that I just saw.
There’s a new sheriff in town and I like him already.
I’d say she’s a dumb blonde,
Thing is, I don’t think she’s an idiot. You don’t get a first from Oxford, even in English literature, unless you’ve an IQ comfortably above average. I think it’s more that her political convictions, or political assumptions, have made her both dogmatic and foolish.
Funnily enough I had just watched this after a link from another site. There’s a facial/body reaction which women tend to do a lot in interviews which expresses more than disagreement more like contempt whereas Jordan does a genuinely amused reaction at how she is getting everything so wrong.
This woman needs to get her ears cleaned. She didn’t hear a word Peterson was saying.
22’23”- that.
The Oscar for this years’ most convincing portrayal of an idiot goes to …
I get your point. Of course she is not literally an idiot, but her repeated missing of obvious and fundamental points — never mind nearly criminally mis-representing most of what JBP said — left me torn between amazement and vicarious embarrassment.
One prejudice she did very effectively manage to reinforce is that women are generally incapable of analytical thought, and are particularly immune to statistical concepts.
…there exists a (purportedly) academic journal styled–I shit you not–Whiteness and Education.
Purportedly indeed.
If that isn’t academic rigor, I don’t know what is.
You will no doubt be surprised to learn that the authoress of the article in question is both a graduate of the infamous The New School, and herself suffering from Whiteness™.
I dunno what she is getting paid, but it’s too much.