Pathology Dressed As Politics
Via Darleen and lifted from yesterday’s comments:
What’s interesting about Antifa’s mob assault of the journalist Andy Ngo isn’t that an organisation premised on recreational thuggery has once again indulged in recreational thuggery. That’s why it exists. What’s interesting is that so many left-leaning journalists have been so eager to excuse or diminish that thuggery and to frame Mr Ngo either as the aggressor or as somehow deserving of assault by people with borderline personality disorders.
The implication being that the poor, put-upon Antifa goons, who are all terribly oppressed, felt threatened by the presence of the unimposing Mr Ngo, and therefore retaliated, albeit pre-emptively, by jumping him from behind, robbing him, and putting in the boot. That’s why they went back in time to stock up on iron bars, knuckledusters and, it seems, cement milkshakes. Obviously.
Previously in the not-at-all-sociopathic world of Antifa:
“Are you willing to die for YouTube shit? That’s what’s gonna come, man. Death is coming to you, dude. Real shit. Feel that energy? That’s why your heart’s pounding.”
“You’re inherently violent,” screams an unhinged blue-and-purple-haired woman named Hannah McClintock, while repeatedly spitting on people and trying to punch them in the face.
Update:
If you poke through the comments, you’ll find additional illustrations of the psychology of Antifa and their cheerleaders, including contortions by leftist educators and the morally ludicrous Laurie Penny.
Also, open thread.
Scoops
Haven’t seen Soylent Green in a while – what happens after everyone finds out? I mean, there’s still not enough food in Ehrlichtenstein, right? Does the cannibalism just become more laissez-faire? Free-range people vs that awful factory farm human parts, etc.
…you couldn’t count the number of lawyers rushing in wanting to file a section 1983 action. Because that would be the easiest paycheck EVER.
You rang ?
Meanwhile, on the opposite side of the Pacific, other people aren’t too impressed by communism.
Dare we hope?
Which links to: “Ted Cruz seeks federal action against Portland mayor after antifa attacks journalist”
Finally someone does something. After all the arguing and all the exposing the left’s somehow yet-shocking hypocrisy finally Ted Cruz, of all people, does something. Given that assault, battery, and attempted murder are already illegal, it falls not to endless chatter and hand-sitting about psychotic behavior but simple authority to enforce existing authority, both in the service of simple negative rights.
Upthread it was observed that Oregonians did this. And since they did, it is up to a nation to fulfill the conservative mantra – one increasingly co-opted by leftists – a nation of laws. The manufactured outrage against all the manufactured rage remains impotent.
You know you’ve crossed your Rubicon when you have to pass laws to enforce laws that stem from the original national lawful contract. But it’s something; something in a land mostly of nothing.
But it’s something; something in a land mostly of nothing.
Meh, in a union of 50 states a handful are bound to go full Venezuela. Voting, U-haul rentals, and speech are all more-or-less legal in Oregon. Handguns and ammunition are as well. Though you feel for the saner residents, of course, it’s simply the people getting what they want good and hard.
in a union of 50 states a handful are bound to go full Venezuela. Voting, U-haul rentals, and speech are all more-or-less legal in Oregon. Handguns and ammunition are as well.
Meaning that speech is impotent, really, because after it’s died down what’s left is running, the violent self-defense that can never happen, or the National Guard.
Somehow I expected that the largest socio-political bloc would have by now learned how to make regular demands of the reasonable congress it apparently never elects.
When I looked at the talk page for the Antifa Wikipedia entry today, there was strong resistance to adding anything at all on this incident, on the grounds that it was too recent. Not something that seems to concern them in other areas.
One chap suggested, in the course of explaining that the cement milkshake story needed to be verified, that it might be an attempt to boost sales of Portland cement. It was also claimed that an article from the Spectator website (the Speccie being one of the oldest magazines in the English speaking world) was not an appropriate source because it was just a blog.*
*Ok, it was by Toby Young. But still.
In the spirit of the Open Thread, and being unable to remember exactly where I found this (might’ve been here for all I know), I give you Garfield minus Garfield!
I never realized how closely the life of Jon Arbuckle maps to my own.
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Dare we hope?
[Predicted] Mayor Wheeler’s response to Ted Cruz:
“Senator, you represent Texas, not Oregon, so mind your own business and stay out of ours.”
“Senator, you represent Texas, not Oregon, so mind your own business and stay out of ours.”
To which my reply would be “So, you think the federal government should not have taken steps to end Jim Crow? Up yours with red-hot rebar.” But I’m not a nice guy anymore so you won’t get measured low-key language.
…you think the federal government should not have taken steps to end Jim Crow?
The presumed social sin of racism does not equate to giving a state over to actual violent chaos, including against existing local, state, and federal law. I’d like to hear the anti-federalist argument that can yet constitutionally justify central overreach involving social, state’s rights issues.
The presumed social sin of racism does not equate to giving a state over to actual violent chaos…
I should have cited how those state governments allowed the KKK to operate with impunity, committing numerous acts of terrorism and murder.
I should have cited how those state governments allowed the KKK to operate with impunity, committing numerous acts of terrorism and murder.
At which point we could both have also cited that the whole spectrum of assault all the way through murder is quite illegal and has been for some time. Locally and regardless of motive.
By the anti-Jim Crow method apparently we defer instead to a federal thought law that ultimately but hopefully affects some degree of material state crime.
Cruz appears to have raised a valid point for consideration: that Oregon is no longer able to police itself, the result not of what X thinks of Y’s opinion of Z’s melatonin – see: ANTIFA – but the simple fact somebody’s going to be killed while local law enforcement and its protect-and-serve mandate has been officially sidelined.
There are real, negative rights like the one to life, and then there are circuitous, over-reaching prohibitions from afar on what is only tacitly tied to ultimate local acts.
Oregon is no longer able to police itself
I would say “no longer willing”.
When a local government deprives citizens of their constitutional rights, federal intervention is justified.
I would say “no longer willing”.
The precedent is Eisenhower federalizing the Arkansas National Guard and sending in elements of the 101st to enforce segregation of Central High as I am reasonably sure the governor (who has a certificate in women’s studies) isn’t about to send the ORARNG in to sort out Portland.
If all of Oregon fails to police itself it is collectively unwilling. Assuming there are law-abiders left in the place they’re unable to be policed.
Federal intervention is at least topical, and Cruz is, whether truly or for political effect, correct to raise it. I’ll add, however, that federally outlawing Jim Crow segregation so as to re-outlaw murder would be akin today to federally outlawing public protests to ostensibly protect the lives of gay Asian journalists.
The right wouldn’t be caught dead, so to speak, outlawing anyone’s right to speech, including everything but the absolutely most extreme corruptions of the word. Such is our constitutional purity. (Funny, because to be honest dear Portlandia may may be on to something by letting willing morons rumble among themselves and maybe reduce the herd.)
But for speech, prohibiting say, the violence of Marxism would save countless lives…
The presumed social sin of racism does not equate to giving a state over to actual violent chaos
Except Jim Crow laws weren’t social sins but actual negation of individual rights, not JUST of blacks but of whites. It was law that forbid voluntary associations between citizens. It wasn’t that it allowed certain business owners to keep out blacks, but it also compelled other business owners to keep out blacks that they wished to do business with. And there were other aspects of government treating blacks differently than whites. Also a violation of basic Constitutional rights.
When the local government acts illegally in a manner that harms the Constitutional rights of its citizens, Federal jurisdiction is called for.
t we could both have also cited that the whole spectrum of assault all the way through murder is quite illegal and has been for some time. Locally and regardless of motive.
Specious as we are not talking about crimes where the local government actually attempts to use it’s police powers to identify and bring to justice the perps of such crime, regardless of the melanin or motive … but where the government is an accomplice in crime by enabling the perps to commit crime against others with impunity.
If all of Oregon fails to police itself it is collectively unwilling.
In which case, the President, per 10 USC §253, and as outlined in Enclosure 4 of DoDI 3025.21 and other relevant documents, is authorized to use federal troops to restore order without the usual Posse Comitatus constraints.
Darleen, Jim Crow was a post-Civil War measure. Brown was in 1954 and federal civil rights, such as became under that rhetorical umbrella, were ten years later. The assertion that federally prohibiting prior state-level social acts morally or structurally addresses assault and murder is unfounded. Up until that time it wasn’t constitutional either (and federalism remains at least something of a principle even today in a land both partisan camps gave over to collectivism long ago).
You need a lot of weight to justify any federal morality but virtually none to reapply prior constitutional law and order in a lawless, violent American state. Tying Jim Crow to lynching is like tying public assembly to Andy Ngo’s assault, and tying either to a federal act aimed at preventing state-level crime is as structurally faulty as it is procedurally dangerous. Elevating assembly to such a level actually protects ANTIFA, by the way, and probably leads to enabling incidents like Ngo. I’m guessing Soros would know. I’m also wagering that post-civil war segregation was originally pragmatic and only later was reinvented as oppression.
But the right has become reactionary. It’s racing the left to reclaim various contemporary social virtues, having first given up so many structural issues and their original, federalist, constitutional ethics. Justifying more arbitrary federal acts in one instance potentially does so in all, and they all eventually come at a cost.
So it’s not specious at all. Crime has a definition and as such, also a proper level of legal procedure and with it, an ethical motive and constitutional framework. Portland is only a potential federal issue justifiably when it descends into mortal chaos, not when thugs need to be prevented from, in your example, either speech or assembly in order to save a Ngo and in the process uphold a broader, detached constitutional element.
Since we’re talking law, may I quote that famous lawman Barney Fife: “Nip it in the bud.”
The U. S. government could prevent much suffering by getting on top of this now, as Farnsworth suggested.
For a change, some non-American nuttiness:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7196679/LIZ-JONES-goes-inside-Gwyneth-Paltrows-Goop-wellness-festival.html?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
(Hat tip Ace)
not when thugs need to be prevented from, in your example, either speech or assembly in order to save a Ngo and in the process uphold a broader, detached constitutional element.
I’m sorry, can you point to where I’ve ever said that Antifa should be prevented from speech? I’m not talking about their 1st amendment right of speech or assembly OR free association. Like the Nazis who marched through Skokie, as abhorent and down right evil their speech, violence to suppress it is wrong.
However, CONSTITUTIONALLY
And if there was ever a group for whom the term Moral Licensing was coined…
It’s worth noting that at Berkeley in 2017, Antifa and their cheerleaders were starting fires, smashing windows and assaulting random women. One of whom had committed the sin of wearing a Bitcoin hat.
Berkeley’s leftist faculty were of course titillated and predictably dishonest.
While the moral colossus Laurie Penny, who was watching from yards away, was busy telling us how brave she is… for talking to conservative students. Because unlike the masked far-left rioters – the ones opportunistically beating strangers with metal bars and gleefully punching women – and whose actions Laurie carefully ignored – conservative students are “vicious and vengeful.” And she’s “fucking terrified of them.”
This is the warped mental landscape in which Antifa thrive.
can you point to where I’ve ever said that Antifa should be prevented from speech?
I didn’t. I said abolishing Jim Crow because of local violence connects them about as well as tying public assembly to assaults on gay Asian journalists. We have more direct laws for that, assuming they’ve not been effectively – or officially – abolished.
You subsequently implied equal protection – 14A (1868) and/or the Civil Rights Act (1870) – concerning assembly re: Jim Crow. Re-litigating the civil war and especially 14A is a difficult and messy business on all levels, as is the sphere of slavery and related issues, again on all levels, as is the proper scope of federalism, which leads us back to Portland.
It is true that Portland police have no duty to protect anyone. But once they protect anyone, they can’t selectively deny protection to victims of a left-leaning group like Antifa. Such ideological discrimination is forbidden.
If this is the free-standing summary of our many Portlands it becomes a lovely bit of ideological sophistry if it again unhooks serious local crime from immediate law and opens the door for yet more federal philosophizing, including in the aftermath of SCOTUS making local enforcement optional. The writer should be clearer in making the distinction between criminal and civil. At any rate attempted murder is not an optional crime.
Laurie Penny, who was watching from yards away, was busy telling us how brave she is… for talking to conservative students.
Honk honk!
Honk honk!
And just to be clear, Laurie wasn’t saying she was worried that being anywhere near conservative students, the ones being besieged and assaulted, might also make her a target for assault by her leftist compadres. She couldn’t admit that. Instead, she was hyperventilating because conservative students are inherently “vicious and vengeful.” They just are, apparently.
At the time, all tweeted live, it was a thing to behold. There she was, announcing her bravery for daring to associate, briefly, with college Republicans and other conservative students, none of whom were reported as doing anything hostile or untoward to their red-haired visitor, while adjacent buildings were being smashed and set on fire by her fellow lefties, whose recreational thuggery was deemed unworthy of criticism, or indeed acknowledgement, at least by Laurie.
The extent to which leftism entails displacement and projection, and a pathological unrealism, is, even now, quite striking.
No, they’re Nazis minus the Joo hate.

Antifa certainly don’t hate Jews, indeed very many Jews support them but they’re absolutely not nazis:
1893: George “Bugs” Moran who thanklessly headed Chicago’s North Side Gang was born. For his efforts battling Al Capone, seven of his gang members were gunned down (Bugs slept in that day) and he never fully recovered his underworld powers. He eventually left the area, quitting the gang entirely and reverting to petty crime such as mail fraud and robbery.
Antifa certainly don’t hate Jews
Guess what they think of Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager — actual religious Jews.
A rather dazed Andy Ngo talks about being assaulted.
It’s as if the movie Inherit the Wind had a different ending
It’s as if the movie Inherit the Wind had a different ending
And so we’ve gone from “The aboriginal population is primitive and unable to think rationally about things,” which is a sentiment to be denounced, and progressed to “We must treat the aboriginal population as if it were primitive and unable to think rationally about things.” Which, apparently, is something to be applauded.
Guess what they think of Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager — actual religious Jews.
I suppose that falls under the “I’m not anti-Semitic, I’m anti-Zionist” excuse.
During the Civil Rights Era, the Supreme Court used the Constitution’s Commerce Clause to force hotels to admit everyone regardless of race, creed, color, or national origin.
They need to apply the same principle to the Bill of Rights, when its employees are not allowed to talk to the press about anything:
“It should be noted that Zoe, who asked not to be identified by her real name because she was not authorized by her employer to speak to the press …”
The left tries to make Ngo a Smollett:“The Proud Boys did it”.
“The Proud Boys did it”.
It was a weather balloon.
somehow deserving of assault by people with borderline personality disorders.
Assault isn’t really something you would associate with people with borderline personality disorder – they find it hard to form stable personal relationships but certainly aren’t particularly violent.
I think perhaps Darleen meant to refer to antisocial personality disorder…
…meant to refer to antisocial personality disorder…
I was thinking of the extremely polarised thinking, impulse control issues, wildly disproportionate anger, emotional bullying and manipulation, needing to cow others, etc., all of which seem commonplace at Antifa gatherings. In hindsight, antisocial personality disorder would be more apposite for some. That said, I’d be amazed if Antifa’s demographic didn’t include a remarkably high concentration of all cluster B disorders. It’s pretty much a signature.
I had heard a rumour (please God let it be true) that these antifuck scum had been planning to disrupt bike week at Sturgis.
Can you imagine it, 25,000 bikers, many of them ex combat vets, being told off by a couple of thousand smelly scumbags?
Pay to view would make a fortune!
Antifa personality disorder
they find it hard to form stable personal relationships but certainly aren’t particularly violent.
[gazes over rim of glass, shakes head dismissively]
the morally ludicrous Laurie Penny.
That. 😀
That.
You have to marvel at a woman who claims to be “fucking terrified” – not of the gang of masked lefties assaulting women for fun and setting buildings on fire, all just a few yards away – but of the non-leftwing people who preferred Donald Trump to Hillary Clinton, and with whom she’s taking refuge. And at the time, among Laurie’s Twitter groupies, this wasn’t regarded as pretentious or bizarre.
Antifa certainly don’t hate Jews, indeed very many Jews support them but they’re absolutely not nazis:
To quote the inimitable Douglas Adams, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family Anatidae on our hands.
An educator speaks. Apparently, Mr Ngo is a “fascist videographer.”
…that these antifuck scum had been planning to disrupt bike week at Sturgis.
Oh yeah, oh Hell yeah! I’d pay upwards of $50 for Pay-Per-View for that one.
an educator speaks
So is Haaretz a communist organ or merely communist-sympathetic?
A couple of years ago, I recalled this chap, and predicted to myself what would eventually happen:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-01/man-who-bravely-fought-islamic-terrorists-put-terror-watchlist-uk-govt
Oh yeah, oh Hell yeah! I’d pay upwards of $50 for Pay-Per-View for that one.
The hell with that, get a concession to set up bleacher seats and really clean up.