And Lo, There Came A Great Bunching Of The Panties
“Everyone is allowed to share their opinion. I just hope he gets fired for it.”
Regarding the ongoing ‘Google memo’ saga, I thought I’d lift the following from yesterday’s comments:
To recap. A Google software developer with a PhD in biology writes a polite, conciliatory and politically centrist memo suggesting that there’s a leftist groupthink problem in the company that inhibits open discussion; that men and women on average have differing preferences and abilities, albeit with a large overlap, and so “diversity” policies might benefit from bearing that in mind; and that perhaps people should be treated as individuals rather than as mascots of allegedly oppressed identity groups.
This is immediately met with ludicrous and wilful mischaracterisation by “social justice” Twitter and the ‘progressive’ media, including deliberately deleting the memo’s links to supporting data; a general refusal to engage honestly with the author’s points, or in many cases even to read them; baseless accusations of every ‘ism’ going; personal doxxing; boasts of blacklisting; and demands that the author of the memo be fired for his heresy and never employed again.
On grounds that his arguments are “violently offensive” and in need of being “silenced.” He is, you see, “committing violence” with his statistics. All of which rather proves the author’s point about leftist groupthink and its reliance on distortion, intimidation and outright hysteria.
The employee in question has of course now been fired. Readers who wish to be violently offended can read the memo here.
Update:
Jordan Peterson interviews James Damore, author of the supposedly scandalous and “fascist” memo. Skip forward to 5’10:
“The thing that was disturbing to me about watching the response to you is that, so far as I can tell, there isn’t anything that you said… that violates the scientific literature as it currently stands.”
Update 2, via the comments:
Within the field of neuroscience, sex differences between women and men — when it comes to brain structure and function and associated differences in personality and occupational preferences — are understood to be true, because the evidence for them (thousands of studies) is strong. This is not information that’s considered controversial.
Update 3:
Allum Bokhari interviews a (pseudonymous) Google employee:
Several managers have openly admitted to keeping blacklists of the employees in question, and preventing them from seeking work at other companies. There have been numerous cases in which social justice activists coordinated attempts to sabotage other employees’ performance reviews for expressing a different opinion. These have been raised to the Senior VP level, with no action taken whatsoever… For conservative employees, this is obviously demoralising, but it is also dangerous.
Update 4:
The Quillette website, which published some strong support of Mr Damore’s memo, is currently experiencing a DDoS attack. A coincidence, no doubt.
Update 5:
When Black Lives Matter hysteria hit its peak, sometime in 2015, it became taboo to criticise identity politics, and later on, it became very dangerous to criticise any member of a minority group at all (even if the criticism had nothing to do with their identity).
Allum Bokhari talks with more (pseudonymous) Google employees.
Update 6:
A compendium of gender research by Sean Stevens and Jonathan Haidt at Heterodox Academy:
Damore is correct that there are “population level differences in distributions” of traits that are likely to be relevant for understanding gender gaps at Google. Even if we set aside all questions about the origins of these differences, the fact remains that there are gender differences in a variety of traits, and especially in interest/enjoyment (rather than ability) in the adult population from which Google and all other tech firms recruit.… Damore was drawing attention to empirical findings that seem to have been previously unknown or ignored at Google.
Unknown or ignored. By our self-imagined betters.
Update 7:
And for those with a taste for irony, here’s video of a talk by Michael Gurian, titled Leadership and the Sexes, given at Google HQ nine years ago. Curiously, the topic of psychological and neurological gender differences was, not too long ago, deemed suitable for discussion by Google management and employees, and indeed advantageous. During the talk, none of the ladies present seem particularly outraged, or oppressed, or in need of a fainting couch.
Update 8:
A Primer On Statistics to Help Quell Your Outrage at the Google Memo.
Maybe we could start talking about Fields of the Nephilim, since David isn’t around anymore?
since David isn’t around anymore?
[ Mysterious rustling in bushes. ]
That was just a test. :ahem!:
A Primer On Statistics to Help Quell Your Outrage at the Google Memo.
though I think you could have been clearer
Without a doubt. I’m much better with software code…or so I like to believe. At least it’s easier to control context with the curly braces…or parenthesis…or tags…well, you see my problem…
If there is such a difference [in preferences between men and women], and it is significant, this variable could dramatically skew the potential hiring pool for Google and tech more broadly without the problem having anything to do with discrimination. (Indeed, in this case, it’s the opposite of a problem because such a state represents an increase in fulfillment of individual liberty and thus with life satisfaction for women and men alike, with women standing more to gain due to lingering historical imbalances.)
But there must be more women in tech, whether they like it or not! “From each according to his [/her] ability…”
Any gendered difference in interest in tech doesn’t apply to anyone working as a software engineer at Google because, whatever the sex ratio in the relevant interval describing high enough interest may be, everyone working in tech at a firm like Google is in it.
A subtle point, I know, but perhaps the best made so far, at least for those interested in the minutiæ like me.
A Primer On Statistics to Help Quell Your Outrage at the Google Memo
Oh, that it would be so. Many of the most outraged appear to understand basic statistics. Or appear to have jobs that should require them to understand statistics. Certainly I would expect the CEO of Google to understand basic statistics. But such capacity to understand has done little to quell the outrage in many of these people. It only seems to make them want to scream louder. I submit this is due to what I described earlier is that our education system is far more rewarding of an ability to repeat what one has been taught than an ability to reason. Let me give a personal example that I’m sure I’ve repeated on these pages before…and please forgive my engineer language skills….
I had a statistics course in college where the instructor, a man with a PhD in statistics, did not understand the Monty Hall Problem. His insistence that “luck has no memory” overrode his capacity to understand that, while true, that aspect of statistics does not apply to the MHP. Students would argue with him, after class, but he never wavered. Even went so far as to argue this point with Marilyn vos Savant to the extent that she published his disagreement with her in one of her books. As a former student I found it humiliating. I often wonder if at some point Dr. McClure (? IIRC) ever did.
WTP,
Your previous comment explains exactly why Google want diversity. They don’t want boring people like you & I who are willing to spend huge amounts of time building fibre networks on the weekend or — dare I say it — reaching some arbitrary and pointless goal involving, say, a certain number of comments on a fringe (but delightful!) website.
They don’t care about us. Bastards.
We are the real heroes.
fringe
[ Faints with indignation. ]
mainstream?
Maybe we could start talking about Fields of the Nephilim
Or why four-twelve is the code name for Captain James T. Kirk.
Or why four-twelve is the code name for Captain James T. Kirk.
This took some searching – Stan Freeburg’s “St. George and the Dragon Net” Dragnet parody.
St. George: “I got you on a 412 too”
Dragon: “A 412 !? What’s a 412?”
St. George: “Overacting.”
A Stan Freeburg classic. I remember hearing that on the Dr Demento Show in the ’70s.
fringe
[ Faints with indignation. ]
Quite so, I always had the impression that David was rather closer to The City than Edinburgh . . .
Thanks to Farnsworth and Spiny for furthering the discussion about Captain James T. Kirk’s code name, but the first correct answer was posted by Nate Whilk on August 13, 2017 at 02:53 (albeit without explanation).
Yet no-one has managed to solve the puzzle of why 412 is the first letter of the Bible.
Yet no-one has managed to solve the puzzle of why 412 is the first letter of the Bible.
Oh, that’s because it’s before the second word.
Yet no-one has managed to solve the puzzle of why 412 is the first letter of the Bible.
412 is the first letter of the Torah only if you are into Hebrew mysticism and numerology.
The first word, however is, בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית, and, as we are reading right to left, the first letter is ב , and sometimes a bet is just a bet.
the righteous man…
…because I had to…
The first word, however is, בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית, and, as we are reading right to left, the first letter is ב , and sometimes a bet is just a bet.
As is often the case, I have no idea what’s happening here.
412 is the first letter of the Torah only if you are into Hebrew mysticism and numerology.
Hmmm… I can only give you half a mark for this. You correctly state that the letter Bet (which is, as you say, the first letter of the first word of the Torah, “in the beginning”) equates to 412, but you haven’t shown knowledge of the reason why, suggesting it’s only for mystical reasons. It’s rather more prosaic than that.
Like the Greeks and Arabs, the Hebrews lacked separate numerals, so the letters of the alphabet double as such. Aleph is 1, Bet is 2, etc., Yod is 10, Tau is 400. When spelled out in full, the letter Bet is Bet-Yod-Tau; thus 2+10+400.
Of course, the fact that words are also numbers resulted in centuries of noodling by the rabbis to try to tease out the hidden meaning of passages in the Torah and other texts through making connections between words of the same numerical value (amongst other tricks), in what has been described most succinctly as “a crisis of the text”.
With respect to James Damore, in Biblical Hebrew his name could conceivably be spelled יעקב דאמור which equates to 433, the same as the word זכות which means “privilege”. In other words, the Cabala tells us that James Damore, being male, is an avatar of male privilege. And if we add one “for the concealed unity therein” (one of the tricks they used), we get 434 which is the letter Dalet spelled in full. The letter Dalet means “a door” (not mystically: every letter is also a word; e.g., Yod means “a hand”), which tells us symbolically that Damore was shown the door.
I’m not sure if these gematric speculations represent “a crisis of the comments”.
It’s rather more prosaic than that.
Yes, but the prosaic leads to the mystic as described above, which makes the mystic meaning more significant. 412=412, OK, roger, got it, drive on. 412=another word with other meaning, cue eerie music, then drag in origin of bet meaning house as in God’s house and we’re off to the machloket races.
412=another word with other meaning, cue eerie music, then drag in origin of bet meaning house as in God’s house and we’re off to the machloket races.
Yes, quite. I don’t think many would argue it’s any more valid or useful than, say, the doctrine of the four humours in medicine, which was the dominant paradigm for much the same historical period. Gematria aside, though, some aspects of cabala (e.g., the theory of emanations) are not all that far removed from aspects of mathematics, physics and chemistry (e.g., the periodic table); or at least some parallels could be drawn. Not very useful parallels, I would think, but still.
This is my favorite thing read today thus far.
Cathy Young interviews James Damore.
This is my favorite thing read today thus far.
I don’t know, my vote would be for that, and being shown the door.
Lord in heaven, you guys are really going to push this thing to 500, aren’t you?
#PushThisThingTo500
#PushThisThingTo500
In a trail of fire I know we will be free again
In this thread we will be one
In a trail of fire I’ll post before you reply to me
Set your sights for the sun
The Pendulum swings on to 500…
The Pendulum swings on to 500…
Somebody’s going to bring it on home. Not me with this post, of course, but soon.
Lord in heaven, you guys are really going to push this thing to 500, aren’t you?
We would be remiss not to, besides, look at all the goodness herein, out of control SJWs, google idiocy, pickled hippo testiles, Hebrew numerology, who knows what marvels a new page will bring ?
Lord in heaven, you guys are really going to push this thing to 500, aren’t you?
We would be remiss not to, besides,
Ehn, at ~81 or so, there is awhile to go . . .
In the meantime, the assorted scriptural analysis brought to mind someone’s prayer—No, not as an answer to something, the prayer just popped into mind . . .
Ehn, at ~81 or so, there is awhile to go…
Sure, 17 feet shy of the summit of Everest, meh, let’s go back. There is no I in team, except in French.
I was told there wouldn’t be any math.
I was told there wouldn’t be any math.
Oh, don’t worry, there is only playing with the little beads, no math involved at all, just see the little beads and flick them up and down . . . .
#PushThisThingTo500
I don’t even remember where this thread started. It’s just a thing.
Something that has been bothering me about this post is the comments concerning nothing but the pursuit on the next hundredth comment. Topics that remotely relate to the subject, I can accept. But these others which serve no other valid purpose except to drive the count up feel like cheating. Juvenile. Sophomoric at best.
And this makes what? 489?
Something that has been bothering me about this post is the comments concerning nothing but the pursuit on the next hundredth comment. Topics that remotely relate to the subject, I can accept.

Fine, here, this is relevant, and has nothing to do with #500. Nothing.
Maybe the joke’s on us and David upped the posts-per-page limit to 500 or something…
Topics that remotely relate to the subject, I can accept.
And while doing a bit of catchup reading, I finally noticed one of the headlines, on the /. site.
Google Fires Author of Divisive Memo On Gender Differences (bloomberg.com)
Posted by BeauHD on Tuesday August 08, 2017 @01:00AM from the cause-and-effect dept.
With comments, lots of detailed comments—being /., these being comments from rather a tech oriented background regarding what’s going on at Google and such . . .
Topics that remotely relate to the subject, I can accept.
Did you forget? This is the most polite thread on the interwebs. That alone is worth 500.
Not much to offer that’s on topic. Unethical to simply post for the sake of posting.
Hurrah, Damore! Boo, Google!
Hurrahdamore! Boogle!
Itsy titsy ho!
Not very much on topic, I admit.
Feels like everyone’s counting down the minutes till H-Hour. Going over the top. Stand in the door. Ramps down. The Big Push.
There was once another interesting and occasionally amusing free-for-all blog I used to frequent (before they went barking moonbat shortly after the election of the Teleprompter Jesus) that once had an “everlasting comment thread” that continued on for quite literally months – until it was finally closed after more than 2800 comments, most of the last 200 or so consisted of “Last!”
(It was an offshoot of the old LGF, before Charles went moonbat “Captain Queeg”, or “Mad King Yertle” as one of the other “Banned Legion” of old-time regulars calls him. In case anyone is curious, “Discarded Lies”, I think it was called. It may still be a going concern, but I haven’t checked in years.)
#)$&_(#$&Y insomnia.
Hurrah, Damore! Boo, Google!
Hurrahdamore! Boogle!
Itsy titsy ho!
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This seems an appropriate moment for me to weigh in again with a more mystical, theological tone.
I’m sure none of the following is original – somebody else has probably said it already, quite possibly on this blog – but it occurred to me upon observing the image “The burning of heretic Damore upon the ſtake of Google” that there are in fact some parallels to Catholicism in the SJW creed.
Firstly, transubstantiation of matter. If a man says he is a woman, or vice versa, then a magical transformation takes place to make it so, though no change in outward appearance be visible.
Secondly, the doctrine that the trinity of men, women and transgender are as one being (equal), but yet separate for employment purposes (diverse).
Just thought I’d mention it. How many comments is that now?
How many comments is that now?
We are a couple short.
Daaaaaaaaaaavid! Are we there yet?