Answers On a Postcard, Please
The Guardian’s Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett – she of the ill-fitting hair – asks,
Are we too selfish to live like hippies?
Herself a child of what she generously terms “communal living” – specifically, an “Islington house furnished from skips” – Ms Cosslett allows her mind to drift back, way back, to the heady days of the late Twentieth Century:
My memories are faded but what remains is a picture of a happy, lively household whose ethos was not so far removed from times when children were raised by communities, not individuals.
A faded memory from childhood, when people are generally much less discerning, is perhaps not the soundest footing for an approach to housing policy. And hey, what parent wouldn’t want their child raised collectively by a shifting pile of misfits, losers and unemployable hippies? Or as Ms Cosslett puts it, rather romantically, “art students from Berlin, Portuguese musicians” and, naturally, “miners during the strike.” Yes, all this, and in an environment where six layers of wallpaper – a historical record of sorts – gradually detached themselves from damp plaster walls:
Though the conditions weren’t great, they paid £11 a week rent… Low rents (or if you were squatting, no rents) enabled people to work in the arts, to create music (I was sampled on a Madchester dance record, aged three), write literature and paint.
And working in the arts – I suspect the term “working” is used here loosely – is more than reason enough to squat and not bother with humdrum details like permission or paying rent. That such freewheeling sentiment is less fashionable than it was saddens Ms Cosslett. And so boilerplate ensues:
Our political apathy, our materialistic obsession with property ownership, our disinclination to pursue alternative lifestyles all explain why communes and squats are in decline… Walking through Park Crescent the other day, past impossibly grand houses with their dark interiors… I felt an incredible sadness. It is the disappointment at the abandonment of an experiment… Imagine what you and your friends could do with a crowbar, a guitar, a few sacks of lentils…
I’m convinced that witnessing how resources, material and intellectual, could be pooled at such a young age has shaped me as an adult… Communes represented a different way of being – sharing the cooking, the cleaning and the childcare was not only practical but also beneficial to the wellbeing of the members.
Readers who as students shared a house and cleaning duties, in theory at least, will no doubt testify to the practicality of this approach and the lofty hygiene standards that invariably resulted. Now imagine those high standards applied to parenting and childcare.
Readers may recall Ms Cosslett’s Guardian colleague Owen Hatherley, a former contributor to the Socialist Worker and self-described Marxist, who shared with us his belief that making vaguely alternative pop music is all but impossible without an Arts Council grant, a subsidised spell at art school and a suitably bohemian squat. The same Mr Hatherley who wants us to share a toilet and kitchen with people we may not like, and thereby “look beyond our obsession with private space.”
And we mustn’t forget another Guardian contributor, Alexander Vasudevan, a lecturer in “cultural and historical geography” and “cartographies of protest,” who wishes for people schooled in “radical politics” to “seize and reclaim” your property as a “potent symbol of protest.” That’s reclaim as in forcibly transfer from you to them.
Update, via the comments:
It’s perhaps worth pondering Ms Cosslett’s conceit that squatting and “communal living” are somehow the opposite of selfishness. Rather than being – as illustrated repeatedly in the comments – a license for freeloading, theft and irresponsibility. Which is to say, selfishness writ large.
It’s also interesting that Ms Cosslett’s professed hippie ideal – the thing that prompts yearning for the use of a crowbar – is an “impossibly grand house” on Park Crescent in London. Such romantic gushing is less often directed at the possibility of squatting a rundown terraced house in the less glamorous parts of, say, Burnley, which could be bought outright for five grand or less. Hardly a stretch for half a dozen people who want to pool their resources and pursue “alternative living.” But then a squat just isn’t rah unless it’s in a rather expensive part of town, preferably in London, where the squatters can feel superior to the suckers paying mortgages.
Readers who as students shared a house and cleaning duties, in theory at least, will no doubt testify to the practicality of this approach and the lofty hygiene standards that invariably resulted.
Five of us in one house. The cleaning rota lasted barely a week. It got so bad we had rats in the kitchen. Then I moved out.
It got so bad we had rats in the kitchen. Then I moved out.
I denounce your uppity bourgeois standards.
The cleaning rota lasted barely a week.
I imagine that’s about average. I remember my first home away from home, shared by four of us. I had such hopes for the cleaning rota, all dashed within days. It can’t have been more than a month before the struggle against squalor was lost forever, except for one doomed attempt at “spring cleaning,” which just revealed the full scale of the horror and caused widespread resignation.
I remember buying a new set of cutlery only to discover that, two days later, every suitable item had been used for hot knives and left with an unappetising and unshiftable brown residue. And I vaguely recall lots of heated arguments over bath towels and how they roamed the house at night and hid themselves under chairs and behind wardrobes without every getting dry, or indeed washed.
Funny when the lefties mention communes they inexplicably overlook what was by far the most successful incarnation of the idea: the Israeli kibbutz system. For reasons of space, I assume.
‘Us’, ‘we’, ‘our’. Fucking middle-class lefties and their endless presumption. Marry that with a uniformly infantile worldview and tada: relentless, whiney, boilerplate fascism.
Housesharing… a perfect microcosm of socialism and a perfect illustration of why it is a terrible, unworkable idea. The responsible, tidy, actually-give-a-fuck people (hi) are taken advantage of by the feckless and selfish.
I love how not wanting to share a squat with half a dozen lefty wankers is because of “our political apathy, our materialistic obsession with property ownership”. They can’t *ever* get over themselves.
Imagine what you and your friends could do with a crowbar, a guitar, a few sacks of lentils…
Indeed- especially if they reboot “Scrapheap Challenge”.
They see ‘The Young Ones’ as an instruction manual rather than a comedy. Rik – left wing posturing; Adrian – crowbar; Neil – guitar & lentils.
They can’t *ever* get over themselves.
What tickles is the strange idea that, were we not such terrible, unimaginative conformists, we’d all want to live as teenagers, all busily painting and strumming guitars, or, God help us, “working in the arts.”
It’s as if Ms Cosslett doesn’t realise that many of us have experienced the communal living she swoons over, at least as teenagers or students, and yet I shouldn’t think many of us, as adults, would wish to relive the dream. And relive it for the rest of our days. Call me stuffy, but I like the fact that the groceries I buy with the week ahead in mind won’t have vanished overnight, scarfed by persons unknown, and I do prefer my towels to be laundered, locatable and even mould-free.
And don’t get me started on the joys of communal toilet paper use.
whose ethos was not so far removed from times when children were raised by communities, not individuals.
What happened to ‘families’?
What happened to ‘families’?
Quite.
I take it she’s never read ‘Lord Of The Flies’
Imagine what you and your friends could do with a crowbar, a guitar, a few sacks of lentils…
Lentils give me gas and I don’t play guitar. However, I’d be more than happy to use a crowbar to clear out any hippies who tried to occupy my spare bedroom.
Sadly, Ms. Cosslett forgot to include her home address in the article. I’m sure she’s got a couch that’s not being used.
Yes, we are too
selfishself-aware to live like hippies.Communal living works in only one place, and that’s a barracks.
The gungy fucker who doesn’t wash himself or keep his bed-space clean soon sees the error of his waves. And as for theft, well … unofficial justice gets applied very swiftly, and without mercy.
The Guardian is a permanent source of vital information on how not to do stuff.
I remember turning up first (out of four male mates) at a private rental in Hull. Took over the house from 4 female friends. After 30 seconds they became ex-friends.
An effing pigsty. We got it sort of clean and it stayed sort of clean for the year, but my standards (never particularly high as my current wife will attest) were never ever met, not by a long way.
Never again.
However, I’d be delighted to stop over at Ms. Cosslett’s house next time I am in London (or wherever she lives). I promise not to nick more than one towel of each size.
I give good conversation for free 3 course meals and unlimited fridge access.
she of the ill-fitting hair
Snork.
“I’m convinced that [blah, blah, blah] has shaped me as an adult.” She’s being overly generous; this callow clap-trap has very little relationship with adulthood, other than “I might grow out of this.” Not likely, in this case, especially in the self-congratulatory Guardian environment.
And don’t get me started on the joys of communal toilet paper use.
Hot and cold running dysentery, oh boy!
sharing the cooking, the cleaning and the childcare was not only practical but also beneficial to the wellbeing of the members
I love the conceit that sharing works.
Cooking
I recall this was shared until someone complained about what was served. Then one or more would drop out of the group and cook solo. Eventually, nearly everyone cooked solo.
Cleaning
This was done by the person who broke first.
I recall resenting the fact I had done my bit whilst others used the plates I had cleaned. I would try to pretend I could live with it until the lazy one broke, but they never did. Faced with no plates they would get fish and chips.
I recall we couldn’t get into the kitchen without knocking over one of the dozens of empty milk bottles strewn around the room. We only had to take 10 steps to the front door and the milkman would collect it. I broke.
Childcare
Didn’t apply to me but I recall some girls with sprogs. They got priority in university accommodation and places in the crèche. Others got council flats and the crèche of course. Universities are very good places to find oneself in that position. Squatting is of course a different proposition.
There have been literally hundreds of commune types experiments like Jonestown, New Harmony, Oneida over the centuries. Invariably Contributors begin to resent Free-riders, resulting in either them leaving or them ejecting the free riders. You can imagine how the people who plough the fields came to view the “artists” who thought their fair contribution was to write the songs.
At the time I did notice that the degree to which fellow housemates were pursuing their “alternative lifestyles” and “work in the arts” was inversely proportional to their interest in buying toilet paper or keeping the fridge stocked. All of which presumably seemed trivial and, if left long enough, was done by others.
My memories are faded but what remains is a picture of a happy, lively household whose ethos was not so far removed from times when children were raised by communities, not individuals.
And then there’s the Hog Farm . . .
While noting the several and ongoing quite documented successes, there is a rather telling anecdote in Saint Misbehavin The Wavy Gravy Movie. Wavy’s son is interviewed in the movie, telling of what it’s like to grow up with his parents—and then by extension, to also have everyone else in the rather businesslike commune also be his parents. The main comment I’m remembering is a statement of You learn to check yourself very early
Oops, so much for an actual and genuinely ongoing commune reality with Wavy Gravy’s son raised by individuals, in that community . . .
When I was young I wanted to meet all thpes of people and have fun etc … Now that I am old I have learned to avoid people as much as possibe. Everyone seems normal until you get to know them. Most suck the big one.
Regarding music as a career or profession or avocation or even as obsession … I learned to play the saxophone on my own … an old cheap horn as I could afford back then. I went on to play professionally for about 20 years then on to a music related career … I never had funding of any sort and I always paid my way throught life. This was through the 60s and 70s … I watched the whole hippie thing develop a d get stupider by the day. It is still a stupid life style for the dull witted.
Just thinking about the, as David notes, romantic and highly selective portrayal of squatters as “art students from Berlin, Portuguese musicians.” Because of course everyone (once freed from square-o wage-slavery and associated false consciousness) is axiomatically exotic and creative and thoroughly agreeable (in middle-class Guardianista terms). Such a happy coincidence.
It’s exactly the same, and just as mindless, as the lefty understanding of multiculturalism. (i.e. “Everyone is just like me, really! But of course they are – my worldview, assumptions and priorities, and the eerily identical ones of all my super, super chums, are the only fair and natural ones to hold!”)
Somewhat OT, but definitely in the “ill fitting” category, peruse if you will the trials and travails of simply getting dressed for an interview presented by one CayleyGraph on Patterico’s blog. This is just a sample. Take it all in…
http://patterico.com/2015/06/08/a-smart-response-to-a-misguided-complaint-about-work-ethics/#comment-1767835
“And working in the arts – I suspect the term “working” is used here loosely – is more than reason enough to squat and not bother with humdrum details like permission or paying rent. “
For shame, David! Why, without ‘artists’, who else would screw taxpayer money out of the government for such worthy projects as…
Well, see for yourselves:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/boeing-737-jet-to-be-buried-just-outside-birmingham–all-in-the-name-of-art-10306032.html
Ah, communes. Those were the days. Getting up at the crack of noon to see that the cows weren’t being fed and the harness was not being mended… Heading down to the creek to bathe… Stealing your food from the asshole grocer who refuses you any more credit…
Communists would be pathetic if they weren’t so dangerous. Stupid is is always dangerous.
Sackcloth and ashes: “…unofficial justice gets applied very swiftly, and without mercy. “
‘Who ordered the Code Red..?’
I lived for one period in a house full of lads and another period in a house full of girls, plus I visited lots of others’ houses. I seem to recall the lads’ houses being a bit better: eventually the guys would get angry at each other and agree to sort the place out, at least for a while. But the girls used to snipe and bicker and never agree to all blitz the place for a few hours to get it sorted. My housemates weren’t too bad to be fair, but I do remember guaranteeing a clean glass to drink from by using an empty jam jar. Nobody else thought to use it as a glass, but I’d seen an old farmer doing it years before.
“Hey, what’s this?”
“Your stuff. Take it with you when you leave.”
Leave? Hey, I pay rent!”
“Not for six months. We’ve been carrying you.”
“Ok, ok, I’ll go look for a fuckin’ job. Assholes.”
“Tell your story walkin’, pal.”
“What?”
“Which part of ‘get the fuck out’ was unclear?”
wtp,
I went an read that whole exchange, and that “sample” hardly touches the surface.
I think “clueless” doesn’t even begin to describe young Cayley, who apparently truly believes “slacker” is the future and “professional appearance” is so trivial.
Any wagers “CayleyGraph” is a Laurie Penny Twitter follower?
Ms Rhiannon Lucy Coslett is an endless source of amusement. Where else could the unemployable sprog of communards find a niche, except at The Guardian? She’s almost beyond parody.
‘Who ordered the Code Red..?’
These things don’t get ordered, they just happen.
But justice is fair. The guy whose only crime was to snore particularly loudly at night? He just had someone position a few French Fancies around his person when he was asleep. He rolled over, repeatedly, and that was that.
‘Imagine what you and your friends could do with a crowbar, a guitar …’
A guitar …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqpNQ9AJYgU
Hmmm. A way to pile up resources . . .
How US students get a university degree for free in Germany
and
American students head to Germany for free college
From the latter . . .
“ill-fitting hair”
It’s not so much her hair, David: it’s that Guardian look of smugness with certainty, even fanaticism. Compare, for example, Seamus Milne with columnists on other news outlets. Seamus looks, well, mad: as though he’d cheerfully execute us all for incorrect thought.
It’s delightful that this thread has prompted so many people to share their stories of nightmare student house-shares with all the associated squabbles, infestations and mouldy bits. We all went through it and, in later life, look back at those sordid days with a degree of affection. Amongst the dirty dishes and electric fires that failed to work, we had fun and relished the freedom from responsibility. But we grew up, and got jobs and contributed to society. And if, in bourgeois middle age, we feel disinclined to give up the comforts and privacy that we enjoy, it may well be because we feel that we have earned those things over many years of unappealing and unromantic gainful employment.
Certainly we won’t be encourage to return to communal living by the half-witted blatherings of stuck-up entitlement junkies like this silly Cosslett woman.
Which is why I no longer find You Can’t Take It with You to be a delightful little film as I did when I was in college.
It wouldn’t surprise, Spiny. The whining (or as y’all say, winging iirc) about how difficult it is to keep ones shirttail tucked in is … We really, really need synonyms for “pathetic”. And all that about how hard it is to get a belt. Who would employ such a sad sack (had to reach back to the 40’s for that one)? Reading that, I imagined a world in which every one of CG’s complaints/excuses was accounted for and it looked a lot to me like the early scene in Idiocracy with the guy sitting on the toilet watching TV stuffing his pie hole. Except CG would complain about having to make the effort to stuff his own pie hole.
Oh, and just for the record since we’re getting all share-y and stuff. I spent at least one semester in a 1500 SF 4 BR house with six other roommates. Everything described here sounds like my exact experience. Multiplied by 7/4. And that’s not counting two roommates’ cats…
I once knew some people who lived in a shared house. The stench of un-emptied, un-cleaned cat litter boxes was horrible. And then there were the piles of dog feces on the attic stairs….
I’ve never shared myself, but on helping a friend move out of a shared flat it was immediately obvious that such arrangements should be banned on public health grounds.
I don’t know why everyone’s so down on communal college living. I lived with three other guys and, as I recall, our girlfriends showed up every ten days or so to give the place a once over. Also, we used paper plates to fullest extent allowed by law.
In my student house-sharing days, there was definitely a correlation between the more left-wing a housemate was, the more selfish they were, and the less they contributed to the communal well-being (making sure the gas card was topped up, actually cleaning their crockery and cutlery).
I used to have to stash a set of cutlery and crockery away so that I actually had something to eat off so that Mr. Che Shoot-Me-In-The-Head Guevara poster didn’t use it and leave it in his pit for a month.
I hated communal living. Absolute proof that socialism is unworkable bunkum, cos left-wingers are personally selfish cnuts.
I once came home to find my roommate banging some guy she’d picked up at a bar on MY bed! After I got through shouting the usual, “What the f…goddammit, why…what…stop that!” one shouts at these times, she replied, “Well, I just changed my sheets and didn’t want to mess them up. I didn’t think you’d mind,” in the tone of voice Cayleywhatsit probably uses when his mother protests his eating all the Cheezsnax.
‘Twas then I swore I’d never share again…as I marched her, carrying my sheets, to the laundry….
Are we too selfish to live like hippies?
Note Ms Cosslett’s conceit that squatting and “communal living” are somehow the opposite of selfishness. Rather than being – as illustrated above – a license for freeloading, theft and irresponsibility. Which is to say, selfishness writ large.
It’s also interesting that Ms Cosslett’s professed hippie ideal is an “impossibly grand house” on Park Crescent in London.
You don’t often hear such people clamouring to squat a rundown terraced house in the less glamorous parts of, say, Burnley or Gainsborough, and which could actually be bought outright for five grand or less. Hardly a stretch for half a dozen people who want to pool their resources and pursue “alternative living.” But then a squat just isn’t rah unless it’s in a rather expensive part of town, preferably London, where the squatters can feel superior to the suckers paying mortgages.
“You don’t often hear such people clamouring to squat a rundown terraced house in the less glamorous parts of, say, Burnley or Gainsborough, and which could actually be bought for five grand or less.”
Insufficiently Bohemian for the Vanguard of the Proletariat to have to slum it around the real working classes whose best interests they claim to represent.
It’s just following the example of their prophet, after all.
“art students from Berlin, Portuguese musicians” and, naturally, “miners during the strike.”
Miners in Islington?
Note Ms Cosslett’s conceit that squatting and “communal living” are somehow the opposite of selfishness. Rather than being – as illustrated above – a license for freeloading, theft and irresponsibility. Which is to say, selfishness writ large.
The most selfish behaviour I’ve ever seen was when I shared a house as a student. It was an education alright.
“The most selfish behaviour I’ve ever seen was when I shared a house as a student. It was an education alright.”
Likewise. And as I mentioned above, always the lefty students who are the most selfish.
I put this down to several things. They consider themselves “saved” (to use evangelical language) by virtue of their politics and thus Good People. So they don’t need to make any effort. However, they feel obliged to *force* others to be caring and sharing to make up for their own lack of virtue on this point (which they recognise subconciously). “I don’t have to be considerate cos I want to force others to be so”. Just like their prophet.