My Kingdom for a Time Machine
The left should revisit the good old days of the feminist collective.
So says the Guardian’s Julie Bindel.
Our fearless scribe is pining for the days of “anti-hierarchical collective working” in the twilight of the Seventies. When, coincidentally, she was young. “In many ways collective working was successful,” says she, though the basis for this claim is somewhat sketchy, beyond a further claim that “eminent professionals” and “working class women” bathed in mutual respect and “recognised we could learn from each other.” Ms Bindel’s attempt to persuade us of the virtues of feminist collectives is, however, derailed by sharing her memories of actually being in one:
I recall a collective meeting about setting up a weekly telephone support service for lesbians. It was decided that each collective member would volunteer to take turns manning the phones at their own home, until we could raise the money to rent a space. One of the members did not have a telephone in her house, but insisted she was being discriminated against and “oppressed” by being left out of the rota.
Some difficulties involved scheduling conflicts:
Whenever the media wanted a quote from a feminist organisation, the collectives always missed out in favour of those with a hierarchical structure. All decisions had to be made by consensus, so if the journalist’s deadline was the next day, it was no use explaining that our next meeting was a week on Thursday.
The list of problems does in fact take up quite a lot of the article:
Sitting in endless meetings, unable to reach agreements, and taking days to produce one leaflet because someone objected to the word seminal.
Perhaps sensing that her sales pitch is faltering somewhat, Ms Bindel stresses the immense radicalism of it all:
There was a total resistance to the cult of the individual… until the Thatcher government declared war on society.
What, you didn’t know?
Collective living was also encouraged. Unlike today, when most of us, gay or straight, seem to be railroaded into monogamous coupledom and marriage, back in the day we often lived in groups, bonded by our political activism and vision, raising each other’s children and sharing tasks and late-night discussions.
Imagine the fun. Lasting for decades.
The shortcomings of collective parenting and “raising each other’s children” were of course touched on recently following an equally nostalgic piece by fellow Guardianista Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett. During the subsequent discussion, we wondered how many former commune enthusiasts are still intimately “bonded” with their one-time housemates, the people to whom they entrusted the raising of their children.
Despite her struggle to convince, caused chiefly by recalling what the “good old days of the feminist collective” did in fact entail, Ms Bindel ends on a bold and defiant note:
In these times of neoliberalism, working collectively could signal a new way forward. For the fractured left, it is increasingly obvious and important that we need to forge new alliances in order to defeat the march of uber-capitalism.
Readers with a taste for “anti-hierarchical collective working” and “defeating uber-capitalism” may benefit from watching Vanessa Engle’s excellent documentary series Lefties, particularly the second episode, titled Angry Wimmin, which follows the adventures and frustrations of the ladies involved in such endeavours. And in which, incidentally, Ms Bindel can be seen insisting that heterosexual feminists are a contradiction in terms and that lesbianism is an ideological duty. You see, any woman can be a lesbian if she just tries hard enough and embraces the right kind of politics. Given her intense political commitment, one presumes that Ms Bindel would have selflessly facilitated any such transformation. When she was young.
I’m sure there’s reams of twaddle to be written on how awful it is that white privilege has so watered down yer actual effnic bona fides that despite really, really feeling non-European you look like a Swedish granny. Like Elizabeth Warren, say. Definitely more than just a honky in the woodpile there. And then we have the sui generis case of that Kids’ Company dingbat who dresses like she’s the first wife of a Nigerian prince despite being half Belgian and half Iranian and therefore just about as Aryan as it’s possible to be without being in the 17th SS Götz von Berlichingen. Yet they’re the ones that are banging on about ‘cultural appropriation’. They are all as mad as a big bag full of mad things.
the cult of the individual
Make absolutely no mistake, the true cult is that of the collective.
I need feminism because my vagina has a voice
So why don’t you use that one and give the other one a rest for a while?
There was a total resistance to the cult of the individual, and, until the Thatcher government declared war on society, no dog-eat-dog narcissism was tolerated.
Eh? So there was “total resistance” until Thatcher was elected and then everyone in every feminist collective stopped being collectivist?
They retired to their fainting couches for the next decade, presumably.
Eh?
Yes, it’s one of Ms Bindel’s many baffling, unpacked assertions. Perhaps she doesn’t unpack them and lay out her arguments clearly because then they’d sound even less convincing. The idea that radical feminist communes of the late Seventies were scrupulously devoid of narcissism and in-group manoeuvring is very nearly hilarious. As the Angry Wimmin documentary illustrates vividly, many times.
For instance, Ms Bindel’s belief that other women should be expected to invert their sexuality to comply with group ideology – and her exasperation and annoyance when they failed – sounds a tad authoritarian. And her favoured slogans – “get men off the streets” – “kill men now” – don’t exactly call to mind visions of modesty. Sheila Jeffreys’ insistence that “Feminists who sleep with men are collaborating with the enemy” sounds a wee bit judgmental and doctrinaire. And the claim that her “visionary movement” was thwarted by “corporations” and unspecified “forces of reaction” suggests egomania. Hardly the words of an unassuming type. And Linda Bellos, who abandoned her small children to spend time “being political” in a separatist lesbian commune, doesn’t exactly strike me as someone freed from ego and self-absorption.
I bet when she was young she laughed at oldies who insisted that things were so much better when they were young.
Button pushed, and you have my insomnia to thank for that.
Ugh, dessicated lesbifems. Crusty cranky old things.
Oh, yeah, I had adorable pink suede platform sandals that I wore with a pink star-spangled mini-dress in the ’70s. That’s what we’re doing, remembering the high point from the decade of doubleknit polyester, right?
Christ, Stevemageddon, is that dopey broad wearing a Christmas sweater???
pink suede platform sandals that I wore with a pink star-spangled mini-dress
Were you switched-on and fabulous?
I dunno about switched on. but I was pretty darn fabulous!
I need feminism because my vagina has a voice
Just another c*** talking then.
Sorry.
I denounce myself.
Regarding Ms. Doyle, perhaps she is related to Elizabeth Warren, or merely misspelled Arboriginal meaning she eats entire trees.
Ms. Doyle?
http://ncis.anu.edu.au/_lib/img/people/doyle.jpg
Or Jennifer Saunders as Fairy Godmother?
http://dopepicz.com/16601101-shrek-2-fairy-godmother-wand.html
Given her intense political commitment, one presumes that Ms Bindel would have selflessly facilitated any such transformation. When she was young.
What do you mean you don’t like the taste? Are you some kind of fascist?
“17th SS Götz von Berlichingen”
I saw that hahaha
To give Bindel her due, she is one of the few prominent Western feminists I’m aware of who actually thinks that women’s rights apply to all, and is prepared to direct her ire against practices such as FGM.
http://www.justiceforfgmvictims.co.uk/the-report/
The giveafuckometers of many of her sisters (see, for example, Naomi Wolf) tend to flicker to zero when it comes to fighting for the rights of non-white women and girls, particularly where practices sanctioned by certain cultures in Africa and the Middle East are concerned.
’17th SS Götz von Berlichingen’.
It’s interesting here that you refer to one of the SS Divisions whose ideological fervour was in inverse proportion to its effectiveness in combat. The Fallschirmjager who fought alongside this formation in Normandy lost count of the number of times this supposedly crack outfit broke under US fire, and the German paras had to save their arses.
sackcloth and ashes – Bindel doesn’t just care about non-white women – she was writing about the organised abuse of working class white girls when most feminists were (and still are) looking the other way.
http://ukcommentators.blogspot.co.uk/2007/10/more-grooming-in-northern-mill-towns.html
“As I’ve said before, race seems to trump gender for most soi-disant feminists. Not so for JB. She doesn’t care what race or creed the abusers are – she judges them not by the colour of their skin, but by the contents – indeed the existence – of their scrota.”
Maybe if I put my left ear a little closer to your vagina, I will hear it talking.
’17th SS Götz von Berlichingen’
Of the vagaries of naming things. Gottfried “Götz” von Berlichingen “mit der eisernen Hand,” i.e. of the iron hand. That’s probably what they were going for, the iron hand likely representing the firmness that the 17th SS was meant to exhibit. In actuality, the iron hand was a prosthetic device because he lost his right hand. To friendly fire, if my sources are correct. More amusingly, and maybe more to my point, Götz von Berlichingen is best known for his purported use of the “Swabian Greeting.”
Oh. The greeting? In his eponymous play, this is how Goethe ascribes it to him: “Er aber, sag’s ihm, er kann mich im Arsche lecken.” Somewhat loosely translated as: Tell him that he can kiss my ass.
So if sackcloth and ashes is correct it would appear that the general attitude of the 17th SS is not entirely inconsistent with the connotations that the mention of Götz von Berlichingen evokes in those of us of a literary bent.
‘In his eponymous play, this is how Goethe ascribes it to him: “Er aber, sag’s ihm, er kann mich im Arsche lecken.”‘
Well it’s more in the spirit of another great German soldier, Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck, who responded with a rather pithy remark when Hitler offered to make him Ambassador to the Court of St James in 1935.
Speaking to one of Lettow-Vorbeck’s officers, his biographer said ‘I understand that when Hitler offered him the London ambassadorship, the General told him to go and fuck himself’. His interviewee replied ‘He did, but he didn’t put it so politely’.
“the connotations that the mention of Götz von Berlichingen evokes in those of us of a literary bent.”
Doh!
Great commenters. Would recommend.