The Roar of Enlightened Manhood
A troubled student writes:
As a proud male feminist,
Oh, go on. Guess where.
As a proud male feminist, I believe it’s important for men to rally around the feminist movement to provide support and to act as an example for other men to follow. So it confuses me that at university a shockingly large number of male students I speak to refuse to apply the term to themselves, instead being evasive and avoiding such an empowering title.
Yes, dear readers, it’s both shocking and confusing that in the twenty-first century, in one of the most cosseting and politically corrected environments in all of the developed world, some male students feel no need to describe themselves as feminists. And calling oneself a feminist, announcing it proudly to the world – or at least to other, likeminded, equally proud students – is apparently the duty of all righteous beings, especially those with testicles. It’s empowering, you see. And never a sign of narcissism, credulity and pretentious moral grandstanding.
The scandalised and bewildered author of this piece is Mr Lewis Merryweather, a first year student of comparative literature at the University of Warwick. “He is a proud feminist,” reads his Guardian profile, “and writes poetry.” And the sorrows of his life are there for all to see:
I often encounter negative reactions when declaring myself a male feminist at university.
Missionary work is hard. Bring handkerchiefs, quickly, a dozen at least. And possibly towels and a mop.
I find this attitude among male students worrying… Perhaps it stems from male panic, that, foolishly, male students worry they may lose power and opportunity in a world of feminism. Perhaps guy students are embarrassed to align themselves with a word that lexically alludes to female-centrism.
Yes, that must be it. Those lexical allusions are a real bugger.
Maybe they’re worried about feeling emasculated.
Says our fretful poet. A man agonised by the existence of peers who don’t think exactly as he does and won’t wear his badge. And to make matters worse, there’s the ever-present shadow of hegemonic oppression:
In the words of Colm Dempsy, a male feminist who spoke at the forum I attended: “I am a proud male feminist. I am willing to fight with you. If you let me.” This is a statement every man, inside university and outside, should be able to shout without fear of being silenced by society.
Silenced by society. In a national newspaper.
Of course the reason for the annoying non-compliance of other male students is all too obvious:
I think the main reason so few male students identify as feminists is because of the spreading virus of lad culture at university. Lad culture is the idea that overt acts of masculinity prove some form of superiority over others. The reality is that lad culture is a prominent part of university life. Club nights often encourage the sexualisation and degradation of women through dress code, and lad values tell male students it’s important to get drunk, pull women and act like a noteworthy lad.
Heavens, it’s a virus, and on campuses too. And this gendered beastliness, in which women apparently have no autonomy at all, even in matters of fashion, weighs upon the breast of all right-thinking people. Or rather, left-thinking people – the ones who will save us from ourselves and usher into existence a brighter, fluffier world – if only we’d do as they say.
It’s hardly laddish to try and deconstruct a patriarchal system. Lad culture at university makes many potential male feminists feel demeaned; it can be hard to fit in if you don’t keep up with “the lads.”
Well, yes, I suppose “lexically alluding to female-centrism” and unironic “empowerment” – while mouthing an intent to “deconstruct a patriarchal system” – that will signal something to those less priggish and credulous. But perhaps those men and women who don’t want an Official Feminist Hat And Authorised Mental Mechandise™ aren’t being “silenced” by a “virus” of “lad culture,” or by a need to crush womankind underfoot. Some, for instance, may find such ostentatious signalling a tad self-serving, and have little appetite for purity tests and competitive scolding. Others may take issue with Mr Merryweather’s assertion that “feminism simply means you believe in equality.” Perhaps some are wary of a term that is often associated with things like this, and this, and this, and with ludicrous pseudo-scholarship, in which reality is an obstacle to the chosen narrative.
And maybe some are wary of joining a club whose members include such fragile, indignant souls as Mr Lewis Merryweather, of which there are so many, and whose baggage is often fascinating.
Via BenSix.
JuliaM – Tsk! The Patriarchy and all of its evil toilet-seat-leaving-up works are a serious business.
?width=620&height=-&quality=95
Hal – You could do worse, like Jack Daniels and Coke.
David – There’s a brilliant update on the Guardian about the NUS summit on “lad culture”. The NUS, which is apparently still a thing, has announced a “national strategy” on “lad culture”. Watch out, lads!
Toni Pearce, the She-Fuhrer of the NUS, ordered forces loyal to her to “go back to your campuses and get rid of lad culture.”
Ms Pearce is not a student and has never been to university, but she says she hates Michael Gove, so what more qualification do you need to be the head of the National Union of Students?
Freya from Leeds was upset that maybe the NUS wouldn’t have jurisdiction to hector lads off campus, but never fear, the NUS has a cunning plan:
One of the problems with lad culture is that it often takes place outside campus grounds, in clubs that are not run by the university. Freya from Leeds asks whether it’s possible to roll a zero tolerance policy out beyond universities, and take it into the clubs in the city.
Temple says that change happens when people work together, so approaching your local council is a good idea.
A boy named Nsoedo admitted he’s a delicate little flower:
Nsoedo says we need a safe space for men to talk about their insecurities. He also says it’s hard to escape lad culture. “Every time I’m with men I tend to be experiencing lad culture.”
Other helpful suggestions included “smash the patriarchy and let’s change the world!”. I thought The Patriarchy getting smashed on lager and WKD and acting like lads was the problem?
Another had difficulty with the concept of democracy: “We need to change democratic structures to guarantee women are represented at university and in unions.”
If you think that comment betrayed a lack of self awareness, consider this gem from a discussion on the NUS gettings pop songs it disapproves of banned:
“Don’t let anyone tell you that it’s censorship”
And this just in from the low-testosterone desk: “Men are affected by lad culture too. The solution is feminism. That’s why I work with, listen to and am led by women. — Colum McGuire (@ColumMcGuire)”
Now, you might think maybe this is a brilliant Daily Mash / Chris Morris style satire, but no! They are serious. To show how serious, look at the serious expressions on the faces of Amy Winehouse and Morn from DS9 in this picture:
Ladaggedon awaits.
They’re so brave and selfless, and utterly non-conformist. The future is clearly safe in their hands.
Gollum McGuire sounds appalling.
We are laughing at them now, but these people are the tyrants of the future. Ms Pearce will spend the next ten/fifteen years burrowing deeply into whatever area of the State or politics she most wants to fuck up.
While ordinary people work and have life, these people are utterly committed to one goal: enacting whatever lunacy drives them.
an Official Feminist Hat And Authorised Mental Mechandise™
Bazinga. Tip jar hit.
To appropriate Hit-Girl: “Oh, take your tampon out, Lewis.”
What a tosser
Today’s word is ‘Mangina’.
OT…but meanwhile opposing fracking is all about me, and daddy will pay the fine:
“Getting arrested for taking part in direct action at Balcombe was the most liberating experience I’ve ever had. Nothing I’ve ever done in my life has made me feel so empowered and alive.”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/26/natalie-hynde-ban-fracking-uk-protest-balcombe
Equal rights!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561467/Firearms-officer-wins-sex-discrimination-case-against-police-chiefs-gun-big-small-hands.html
Except when you can’t do the job.
“Do tell.
Well I’m not 100% sure it’s the same person but the person I know who looks very similar is a semi-employed recent graduate in “Film Studies” from Leicestershire who is a regular in a pub I sometimes go to and has very stridently expressed left wing, studenty opinions on most things.
I’m glad I continue to avoid The Guardian like the plague. There was always something about the place that nauseated me to no end and the level of condescension, self-righteousness, smugness, entitlement and patronization was just too damn much. I couldn’t stand watching users making valid points (a lot which weren’t even politically motivated or even pertaining to subject) with their comments/posts in response to certain articles be deleted with great frequency for the most absurd, trivial, and downright illogical reasons, NONE which ever made any sense. I saw this crap with their articles covering the shootings that happened in that mall in Kenya (forgive me, as I have a vary vague recollection of it) and lot posts just simply “disappeared” or were deleted. WTF?
I recall reading an article about the “diversification” of London’s suburbs, and how basically London’s very soul was were the minorities where at, that was very snobbish, patronizing, condescending and dare I say, “anit-White”. LMAO, I shit you not:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/21/flight-minorities-london-suburbs-white-flight
OT David, but have you noticed how the Occupy people are quite selective in who they, ermm, occupy. This week comes news that Wayne Rooney is being paid £300,000/week. Many Premiership players earn millions a year. Puts them in the top 0.1%, right. So why no ‘Occupy Old Trafford’ or ‘Occupy Stamford Bridge’? Could it be that they don’t fancy their chances against a football crowd when they disrupt a game?
What’s the origin of that picture?
As I recall, a bunch of students at Oxford had photos of them taken standing around the Radcliffe Camera building, holding placards saying “I need feminism because…yadda yadda yadda”
‘It is as if female feminists want to have a group of “second-class feminists” who it is safe to order-about and abuse’
The thing that chaps are a little shy of saying is that this (and the fact that the 2nd class feminist group are men) is exactly what feminists want.
We all know that it’s young men who say things like “d’you want some?” and beat each other up on saturday nights (not even introducing themselves first – very rude) – rather at the mercy of their excess of testosterone.
But where men want to physically dominate, I’d say that women tend to want to carefully control, especially within social scenarios and especially men.
It’s understandable in a way (men can be somewhat all over the place) but it can be taken to extremes. I myself have been in situations where I have felt like the only McMurphy surrounded by 5 or 6 feminist Nurse Ratcheds – so I know well the nasty atmosphere, and shake my head when I think of the young men who make themselves subservient to it by choice.
If I said this on a forum where feminists reside, they’d make a side swipe later on about “the misogyny in some of these comments”, which is simply another attempt to control the debate, and the men in it.
Theophrastus,
Thanks for the link. The comments are rather interesting. My favourite…
“…The title of the article should be “Daughter of someone who was once famous wants to ban a source of energy based purely on hearsay”…”
It was something I spotted a while ago and kept for later use, probably on one of the Tumblrs or Facebook pages on the theme of “I need feminism” or “Who needs feminism?”
Still having trouble believing it’s in earnest. As familiar as I am with the Cult of Ostentatious Self-Flagellation, the signs read too much like a performative of a David Thompson comment thread.
Either way, primo comedy.
Remember that hilarious video of dickless men apologizing to divine womanhood for the infinite and unforgivable crime of being men?
the signs read too much like a performative of a David Thompson comment thread.
Heh. And if that’s not a righteous use of someone’s time, I don’t know what is.
‘As a proud male feminist, I believe it’s important for men to rally around the feminist movement to provide support and to act as an example for other men to follow’.
One of the most recent controversies involving women’s rights in British academia involved the guidance offered by Universities UK which essentially condoned gender segregation in meetings convened to welcome external speakers (needless to say, there was only one type of religious society on campus and one faith group likely to demand such provision for audiences).
I wonder where Mr Merryweather stood on that particular issue?
Let’s not get overcomplicated–it’s not political–it’s a Fem-Dom fetish
@Splotchy
Seemingly he instead had a charming sweet image of cow-copulation as nature (and feminists) intended; no doubt a handsome and fully-authorised young bullock mooing sweet nothings in the proud-and-fully-consenting cows’s ears as he takes her gently and respectfully……..
… a bullock being, I suppose, a male feminist of the bovine species
He should change the spelling to ‘Merrywether’.
I knew he would have a shit beard even before I saw his picture. I KNEW IT.
I’ve always rather liked comb under, given it being the hipster precursor to the inevitable hipster comb over, and a friend of mine refers to that sort of inability to grow a beard or shave as being the bathtub ring.
AC1,
Equal rights! Except when you can’t do the job.
I think Kevin Williamson captured the flavour of much modern feminism:
Feminist outrage test.
With the feminist beta male holding up his sign
Can’t be beta. Beta is used to describe a competent, bread-winning husband with a family (or wannabe). Masculine feminists are none of those things. Instead they are opposed to them. Gamma is more like it: decanted for the purpose of degrading itself.
Feminist outrage test.
Heh. It’s tougher than expected. But now that I’ve been enlightened, whenever I hear Beethoven’s Ninth the first thing that will leap to mind is the “throttling, murderous rage” of a frustrated rapist.
David,
(Not for the first time) I’m confused. In that I wish for equal treatment and equal opportunities for my wife & daughter and expect them to be judged by their abilities rather than by their gender, I am a proud ‘feminist’.
The fountain of all knowledge describes ‘feminism’ as:
“…Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women…”
Who here could possibly disagree with that?
What you are actually objecting to here is an extreme form of ‘feminism’ which has gone beyond the original mandate of seeking some form of equality, now wants ‘re-dress’ and has been mixed up with all kinds of other extreme positions which have nothing at all to do with equal pay, equal opportunity, voting rights etc. Shouldn’t you be calling this by a different name so that the normal healthy Western ‘feminism’ which sees us wish for equal opportunities for our women-folk and demands our vigilance of alien cultural ideas like FGM, forced marriage etc. isn’t sullied by association with this madness?
Perhas you have a different label for a father that wants the best for his daughter?
Steve
When overt feminists claim Margaret Thatcher as one of their own then we will know that feminism is limited to the things you talk about. Until then we have situation where feminism is a blanket term used to smuggle in contentious ideas, as you acknowledge. What you ask is that I should spend my time persuading people that Andrea Dawkin is NOT a feminist. This is absurd. People who call themselves feminists are the ones who are obliged to distance themselves from extremists or come up with alternative nomenclature.
Steve,
Who here could possibly disagree with that?
I doubt many do. But the devil is in the detail.
What you are actually objecting to here is an extreme form of ‘feminism’ which has gone beyond the original mandate
I suppose the question is whether or not the examples we’ve seen here over the years constitute only a distinct and aberrant fringe, an “extreme form” of feminism, among those who use the term as a credential. Given the apparent popularity of such things, at least among students and leftist commentators, I’m not sure the term “extreme,” with its implications of the marginal and unorthodox, is adequate. For example, when Christina Hoff Sommers exposed the eye-widening idiocy to be found in mainstream feminist textbooks, was anyone here truly surprised by the immediate and vehement backlash from so many self-defined feminists in the media and academia?
We’ve often laughed at the ludicrous outpourings of Laurie Penny and Amanda Marcotte, both of whom have large and supportive followings, both online and in the mainstream media. So are Penny and Marcotte, and their readers, wholly irrelevant figures within feminist activism, or do they represent a more common attitude? Is Marcotte more extreme than the popular feminist scholar Joni Seager, who would have us believe that American women as a group are “oppressed” on a par with women in Somalia, Uganda and Yemen?
Reactions to the candidacy of Sarah Palin also come to mind. I lost count of how many high-profile feminists denounced Palin as an “inauthentic” woman, or not a woman at all. The academic Wendy Doniger wrote: “Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretence that she is a woman,” and the phrase “she isn’t even female really” became a favoured feminist blog meme. Writing in Salon, Cintra Wilson said of Palin, “she ain’t no woman,” before describing her sneeringly as “fuckable” and “a hardcore pornographic centrefold.” These reactions were certainly bizarre, but were they entirely unexpected?
What about the activists and commentators who assume, based solely on ideology, that a 1:1 gender ratio is some natural default in just about every sphere of life, everything from politics and physics to rugby commentary, and that divergence from this expectation is in itself proof of discrimination and sufficient grounds for state intervention? I’m not sure this assumption, which is widely repeated and implies an awful lot, would be viewed as shocking or heretical by a majority of people who “proudly” declare their feminist credentials.
Are statusful feminist academics like Nancy Hopkins and Virginia Valian, mentioned here, with their political leverage and multi-million dollar budgets, merely fringe figures within feminism? Is Valian a moderate, non-dogmatic feminist in wanting to undermine the “intense desire for achievement” among scientists and engineers, supposedly on the basis that such desires “marginalise women”? (Do female scientists not have a desire for achievement?) Was Hopkins signalling her moderate, rational feminism when she said she was afraid of throwing up and fainting and “just couldn’t breathe” when confronted with basic questions about gender and statistical disposition?
You see the problem? The extremism you mention seems awfully widespread. And when it comes to identity politics, the boundaries between mainstream and delusional aren’t as clear as one might wish.
David,
“You see the problem? The extremism you mention seems awfully widespread. And when it comes to identity politics, the boundaries between mainstream and delusional aren’t as clear as one might wish.”
I agree. All the more reason to either re-label the haradons or find another description for those of us that believe in actual equality.
If you rail against ‘feminism’ per-se then you are in actuality throwing the baby out with the bath water. I don’t want people resenting my daughter, who equally loves girly dressing-up and ‘boys’ toys like Lego, radio-controlled vehicles and spy gear, just because of some of the BS spouted by the likes of LP and my bra-burning mother-in-law.
Just as debates on this subject make many women sound like they hate all men, the language used can equally make it sound as though some men hate all ‘strong’ women. Personally I love women who, like my wife, have competed admirably in traditional ‘male’ fields without feeling the need to hide their feminity or blame their inevitable set-backs and disappointents on the ‘patriarcy’. In my opinion there is little more appealing than an attractive female structural engineer.
Steve,
All the more reason to… find another description for those of us that believe in actual equality.
Can’t say I’m overly fond of badges, or telling others how to define themselves. It’s not my thing. The people I know who have what I suppose might be called a civilised view of women don’t feel a need to call themselves anything in particular. Except perhaps “civilised,” or “not a jerk.”
David,
“…Except perhaps “civilised,” or “not a jerk.” …”
We are all jerkish at times, whence the need to prevent anyone, however reasonable they seem, from acquiring too much ‘power’ over others. Isn’t that Thomas Sowells’ main philosophy?
Or maybe that’s just me and the people I know and you and the people you know are in fact beyond reproach. Always.
I do agree with almost everything said here but can’t shake the uncomfortable feeling that machine-gunning the whole ‘feminist’ thing is every bit as bad as the indiscriminate condemnations thrown about by your favourite fake red-head.
Steve,
I’m not sure who you think has been “machine-gunning the whole ‘feminist’ thing.” I don’t recall insisting that reasoned and admirable feminism is impossible anywhere on the planet, and the tone would no doubt vary depending on whether we were talking about Daphne Patai or Camille Paglia, or Barbara Barnett or Laurie Penny. Their respective worldviews are very different and would, I think, elicit very different reactions. Daphne Patai was an early, quite influential figure in Women’s Studies and academic feminism. But having seen first-hand how dogmatic and ideological the ‘discipline’ has become, and how widely and quickly that happened, Patai is now known as one of academic feminism’s more notable critics. I doubt Patai is any less in favour of women’s autonomy – just sceptical, to say the least, about the institution she was part of and the mindset it propagates.
[ Edited. ]
ErisGuy:
“Can’t be beta. Beta is used to describe a competent, bread-winning husband with a family (or wannabe). Masculine feminists are none of those things. Instead they are opposed to them. Gamma is more like it: decanted for the purpose of degrading itself.”
TBH I think these men would be Omegas at best.
Feminism has always had a slippery relationship with the concept of equality. If you want equality with another group, you need to understand what life is actually like for that group, and feminism has never really cared to find out what men’s lives are like. It’s easy to say that a professional man had more power and status than his stay-at-home wife. It’s less easy to say that about a coal miner, or a soldier. They don’t notice, or take for granted, that there’s far more of a safety net for women than for men, and that the authorities and the courts are far more lenient on women than on men. And they don’t stop at equality, as the ever-increasing gender imbalance in higher education, coupled with ever more punitive attitudes to male behaviour and speech on campus, shows.
I think it would be an exxageration to say that all feminists hate men. I don’t think it would be an exaggeration to say that pretty much all feminists are prejudiced against men. They think our sexual affection is an expression of hostility and our desire for reciprocal affection is an expression of ownership. They think we regard women as inanimate objects of value only for their utility, and at the same time think that now we’re no longer quite so rigidly conforming to our traditional role that we’re obsolete. They think we’re dangerous and need to be controlled. Some of them think we’re a mistake of nature and should be reduced to a more manageable proportion of the population, or that nature will somehow do it for them. And they get away with it all because of very traditional gender role ideas about men watching their mouths when there are ladies present, never upsetting or contradicting a lady, and generally being brought up to want to please women and seek their approval.
What happens when women are a minority in a majority male sphere? Male speech and behaviour is curtailed to make women “comfortable”. What happens when men are a minority in a majority female sphere? The same. Feminism is not about equality and has no interest in equality. It’s about power.
David,
“…I’m not sure who you think has been “machine-gunning the whole ‘feminist’ thing.”…”
Really?
“…I picture a ‘male feminist’ as a man holding his wife’s handbag while she fights The Patriarchy….”
“…Feminists DO want male support, to be sure, but as subordinates rather than as equals…”
“…And then finally realise that feminism doesn’t accept allies…”
“…What feminists demand is unconditional surrender…”
“..Feminism must accommodate wildly incompatible propositions…”
“…Feminism is not about equality and has no interest in equality. It’s about power…”
No generalisations there then.
“They’re so brave and selfless, and utterly non-conformist. The future is clearly safe in their hands.”
I keep telling them that I don’t like it when they touch me in that special way, but they reply that I should be grateful because they care more about me than anybody else does.
“All the more reason to either re-label the haradons”
Haradon: closely related to the Iguanodon, but not as large. 🙂
As the happy little song goes:
“H A double R I
D A N spells Harridan…”
“machine-gunning the whole ‘feminist’ thing.”
Oh I don’t know, it seemed more like single shots aimed at well chosen targets.
Davidthompson.typepad.com: A .50 caliber, bolt-action, Tool of the Patriarchy.
Steve:
Nothing wrong with generalizations so long as they are understood to be generalizations.
In fact, without generalizations it’s near impossible to talk about any political topic.
Rabbit,
“…Nothing wrong with generalizations so long as they are understood to be generalizations…”
I agree. Stereotyping is also, in some cases, a useful short-hand, provided that it is sufficiently understood that it is a short-hand and there are always exceptions. What we are talking about here, however, is a perfectly noble movement, particularly in view of what we all know to be in our own history and in the present day experience of many women, which has been hi-jacked by extremists who are now being presented as ‘the norm’ through these generalizations. Perhaps it’s true to say that these apparently extreme views are now so much the norm amoungst modern women who take for granted their voting rights etc. that they can now be used to generalize, but this is not my experience. In fact even from my position as a double arts graduate in a predictably left-leaning design based profession, I know absolutely noone who shares the views of the likes of LP. Those views seems to me to be mouthed by a noisy minority that is promoted by the BBC, Guardian etc. with little regard for their popularity or veracity . If one is using generalizations are they not supposed to refer to the majority rather than the noisy fringes?
The future,
Thanks for the spelling lesson, it’s usually lazy typing but, this time, pure ignorance. I stand corrected & educated.
“Thanks for the spelling lesson”
If you knew how many spelling errors I make, you’d know why I make so many jokes about it.
Steve: “If one is using generalizations are they not supposed to refer to the majority rather than the noisy fringes?”
Influence trumps numbers. When you consider what kind of feminists have the ear of government and what kind fo policies they promote, I would say the exremists are not on the “fringes”, but the hard core.
The goal that all people have the same freedoms and opportunities is noble, but the current feminist movement as a political entity is not terribly impressive.
It has become mired in socialism and postmodernism. It has become obsessesed with issues of privilege while mostly ignoring massive problems like the the plight of women in Muslim societies. It is demanding not just equality of opportunity, but numerical equality in every possible form, which is not consistent with a free society. And it has become bogged down by infighting.
Steve,
Really? No generalisations there then.
When you spoke about “machine-gunning the whole ‘feminist’ thing,” I assumed you were suggesting I had done this. Your comment was addressed to me and hence the confusion. I can’t speak for others here; I’m sure they can defend their own words. Also, Patrick’s point about influence trumping numbers is, as a general point, something to consider.
Patrick,
“…Influence trumps numbers. When you consider what kind of feminists have the ear of government and what kind fo policies they promote, I would say the exremists are not on the “fringes”, but the hard core…”
Aren’t you advocating for the blanket defamation tactic of the left?
By that logic, given that the left seems to genuinely believe that this country, especially UKIP and the Tory party, is over-run with racists, you must think it is OK for them to scream ‘Nazi’ at everyone who, like me, thinks that there has been a bit too much immigration lately.
I thought we were more subtle than that.
David,
“…Your comment was addressed to me and hence the confusion…”
My general comment about the tone of the debate and the apparently casual labelling of all feminists as raving lunatics was addressed to you as host / chairman. It seemed the polite thing to do, as opposed to shouting aimlessly into your space. Is my etiquette questionable?
It usually is.